What else do we need to know? There is so much evidence and so many examples

[Atticus]

of Trump's traitorous criminality that eyes would glaze over if I even summarized the offenses.

Simply stated, if Trump does not eventually go to prison and forfeit whatever wealth he actually possesses, anyone who dares to recite "no man is above the law" will be considered a fool or worse.

Don't misunderstand me---there have always been examples of wealthy and powerful people escaping the justice that we ordinary mortals would have experienced. But, we always TRIED---we always before considered these escapes to be the questionable exceptions.

When we are urged to "move on" and let history judge Trump, know this: if we do, history will judge US.

[spanone]

1. K&R

[BlueJac]

2. Typical US response to rich bad people.

[BSdetect]

3. He must be dealt with asap. Do not allow him to evade prosecution.

It is getting too long already.

There will never be healing after those 4 years.

[benfranklin1776]

4. Precisely right.

There can be no healing without accountability and in his case the fullest punishment allowed by law. Else we’re doomed to a repeat performance and the destruction of our democracy.

[Pepsidog]

5. He is a criminal no doubt, however, the republicans have violated their oaths and they should be

held accountable. Future party members need to know that there are consequences for their actions or should I say inaction.

[PatSeg]

6. As I am hearing so many revelations

in recent days about the Trump administration, I am rather numb. Not one thing that I've heard has shocked me and I would not be surprised to hear even worse. Four years of knowing we had a dangerous monster in the White House has left me incapable of shock and that is disturbing. I don't know how anyone could be surprised by the man's corrupt and treasonous behavior. It was right there for the whole world to see.

I agree that we absolutely cannot "move on". We've played that card before and moving forward brought us the Trump presidency. If the U.S. is to have a future, Trump and his criminal administration must be held accountable today, by us, not in years to come by history.

[lagomorph777]

7. If we don't at least jail him, our standing in the world will sink.

We will have lost the last scraps of credibility.

[Mr. Steve]

8. In complete agreement

He must be tried or else all is empty rhetoric

[The Magistrate]

9. If This Cataline Does Not Die In Prison, Sir

Our Republic dies.

[kentuck]

11. One way or another, Sir...

It has to be adjudicated.

[Harker]

10. Our latest long national nightmare requires justice...

History begins now.

[Evolve Dammit]

12. In total agreement with previous posters. This is the most important reality check for our future.

[wnylib]

13. The more that is revealed about the

Trump crime family and their GOP enabers and accomplices, the weaker their standing and image get, paving the way for accountability without a magat uprising.

There will always be a hard core of followers for the fascists, but bringing the traitors to justice without further violence from their faction is as much a culture war as it is a legal one.

Weaken the enemy while pursuing and closing in on them.

A term from the Harry Potter stories comes to mind as an analogy - destroying horcruxes.

[Ford_Prefect]

14. The missing commentary here is that Key GOP Senators and Congress members were knowing participants.

Some of them went to see Putin and his deputies in Russia. Some took orders and shared information and strategies here. ALL of them took obscene amounts of money from him and his pals. ALEC, Council For National Policy, The Heritage Foundation, Women for America First, The Federalist Society, and many other conservative front groups went there too and deserve much of the blame for the violence, the rape of our justice system and our culture, not to mention millions of American citizens who are dead or at risk from COVID-19.

The GOP has beaten us over the head with how much more PATRIOTIC they are than anyone else. I think now is the time to end that myth.

They never were.

Some of them went so far as to become paid up agents of Putin while working in Congress. I think it is also well past time to expose the multinational corporations, the oil companies, and rich patrons who also enabled this for the traitors they are and continue to be. Toyota talks a good game when the cameras are on, then five minutes later is back to business as usual, like so many others. Am I right, Coca-Cola?

I think it is time all of them paid a price for that treason...And I am not speaking of a slap on the wrist, a fine, with time served and all that crap.

[dchill]

17. I think you've got it right. All the way around.

[usaf-vet]

18. Here is a list of U.S Congress members who spent July 4th 2018 in Russia. "Moscow Mules".

Ron Johnson (R) (Wis), Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Johnson, plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.).

In the article, it is suggested that the name for the group might be.....
“Moscow Mules.” Or, given the position they put themselves in before our masters in Moscow, perhaps they should be called the Prostrate Eight: Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Johnson, plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eight-republicans-spent-july-4-in-russia-where-are-the-fireworks/2018/07/06/beae30be-812e-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html


At the time of the trip, Ron Johson was the chairman of Homeland Security.
Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs .

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/committee-assignments
https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/accomplishments-report... I found this, let's just say amusing.

[FakeNoose]

27. Don't forget Rand Paul

He wasn't on the July 4th trip with the good ol' boys, but he has been to Moscow on his own. AND he had a private meeting with Putin too. Rand Paul is very, very dirty.

[Mr. Ected]

15. If we prosecute and imprison Trump, the entire right wing narrative would come crashing down

That's why the media won't touch it. That's why we don't have justice. If you lie incessantly for decades to people about who you are and what you stand for, it becomes cataclysmic to the 70 million people forced to reckon with an alternate reality they've been brainwashed to think is a figment of the liberals' imagination.

Much easier to just let it be. And when the country falls into the hands of the fascists, they'll throw up their hands and say they didn't see it coming.

[Escurumbele]

16. Forget about history judging us, the bigger problem is that if trump is not made accountable and

does not go to jail that will send the message to someone like Josh Hawley that it is OK to be a crook and become POTUS, and once in the presidency that you can do whatever you want because there will not be any consequences to you from your crimes. That is the worst precedence that will come out of it.

Who cares about how history will judge us? We will all be dead by then, it is out future generations who will suffer, and whatever history may say of us doesn't fix the problem. Once a totalitarian regime is in place and if they enjoy the support of the military, then all is gone, history will be re-written and nothing will matter, we will be judged as the precursors of the new regime, as the heroes who supported it.

Without going too far, watch Venezuela, learn about what they are teaching kids at school, a complete re-write of History, and who is the hero? Hugo Chavez. Lets not wait until history has to judge us, lets make sure we talk to everyone in our circle to make sure they understand the problems we are facing, and hopefully we can wake them up from their fantasies. Lets educate our kids, lets present to them the right books so they learn to differentiate between those who are genuinely good and the demagogues to make sure they don't make the same mistakes our generation made. There is a lot we can do besides worrying about how history will judge us, as I said, we will be dead by then, we will not be reading that history.

[Mr.Bill]

21. The precedent was set with Nixon.

This will be our last chance to reverse it.

[brooklynite]

19. Who is suggesting that we "move on"?

If your question is: why isn't Trump being prosecuted, the answer is that criminal justice prosecutions aren't times to meet the demands of the blogosphere.

[Atticus]

20. No one is YET suggesting that we "move on", but past experience makes concern that we will once

again be urged go "look forward, not backward" and "move on" very reasonable.

And, no, my question is not "why isn't Trump being prosecuted" right now. That's why I used the word "eventually".

[Joinfortmill]

22. Agree

[Ferrets are Cool]

23. "there have always been examples of wealthy and powerful people escaping the justice"

bush jr.

[alterfurz]

24. same as it ever was, only more so...

Laws are like spiders' webs which, if anything small and weak falls into them they ensnare it, but the large and powerful break through and escape. -- Solon, ca. 600 B.C.E.

[Snackshack]

25. I don't know.

6 months into Biden’s term and still nothing.

10 instances of Obstruction of Justice in Mueller report.
Admitted to lying about a virus and now 600,000+ Americans are dead.
Incited a mob that attacked Congress.

Just these alone seem pretty serious. After 6 months a case should have been put together but DOJ is completely silent, done nothing.

[traitorsgalore]

26. Great thread! Some positives are more than 535 people have been charged for 1/6

and more than 270,000 tips sent to the FBI. The American people are not moving on, we want to see arrests and convictions.

Arresting members of Congress and traitorTrump would be a great thing for America but the elite live by another set of laws. We all know it, expecting that to change in a county that just spent $2.2 trillion on a fake "war" that lasted 20 years is laughable. We The People have very little power, huge corrupt law firms protect those with power, including insurance companies, big polluters, for-profit "healthcare", propagandists like Faux news, the war machine/Pentagon, etc...

Still, I completely agree with the sentiment that nothing would be more healing for the country than arresting and convicting traitorTrump and all his cronies/conspirators.

[hay rick]

28. I may speak of justice in public but I fantasize about vengeance.

I was never one to pull the wings off a fly, but Trump's continued existence makes me ready to reconsider options of depraved sadism.

[MiHale]

29. If the government doesn't want to do anything to TFG...

Hand him over to us.

[betsuni]

30. But her emails.

She's unlikable. I don't trust her. She gave a paid speech.

[lordsummerisle]

31. k&r n/t