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Vicky Ward
@VickyPJWard
Jeffrey Epstein often made bold and exaggerated claims about his time in intelligence circles.
What I have learned is that some of those stories may have been, at least partially, true.
NEW YORK, NY - JUNE 13: Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell attend Batman Forever/R. McDonald Event on June 13, 1995 in New York City. (Photo by Patrick McMullan via Getty Images)
Was Jeffrey Epstein a Spy?
The exaggerated stories the notorious financier pedophile told of his time in intelligence circles may have been at least partially true.
rollingstone.com
11:13 AM · Jul 15, 2021
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/jeffrey-epstein-steven-hoffenberg-intelligence-agencies-spy-1197708/
Back in 2002, when I was reporting on Jeffrey Epsteins finances for Vanity Fair magazine, he was not a household name. During that time, I paid a visit to the Federal Medical Center, Devens in Devens, Massachusetts to meet with an inmate, one Steven Hoffenberg.
We sat in a little room off a recreation area, Hoffenberg dressed in the requisite orange jumpsuit, while I, several months pregnant with twins, was dressed per prison requirements: as shapelessly as possible.
It was an absolutely intriguing meeting.
Hoffenberg was serving 18 years in prison for committing a $450 million Ponzi scheme. In the 1980s hed been running Towers Financial, a debt collection and re-insurance business, and had worked alongside Epstein, who was a paid consultant. Hoffenberg told me that Epstein had plans to turn Towers into a global colossus through illegal means.
But Hoffenberg was so transfixed by Epstein and his ideas that he had even paid the rent for Epsteins office space. (Now he says he was stupid and greedy for doing so).
*snip*
Laffy Kat
(16,383 posts)Spies don't generally go around dropping hints that they are spies.
meadowlander
(4,399 posts)If he was actually trained as a spy, he wouldn't be dropping hints about it. But if he hung around with spies and sometimes gave them information, he may have inflated this in his ego to "being a spy" and not had the sense to shut up about it.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I imagine the tapes he made would be worth many many Roubles.
I don't think we've ever heard a good explanation of where Epstein's money came from.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)THIS.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,504 posts)I remember they did multi-residence sweeps of all of his properties. So where is the tape evidence? Did Barr have it accidently incinerated?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)And with the new AG still protecting TFG, Barr may be receiving special protections too.
Blue Owl
(50,427 posts)Scrivener7
(50,955 posts)Whenever republiQans accuse Democrats of doing something, it always means the republiQans themselves are doing it.
This story about a pedophilia ring of high level Democrats in pizza parlor basements tells me that there are high level republiQans who are organized in their abuse of the underaged.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,504 posts)about the Franklin Savings and Loans scandal cover-up. So, I view the QAnon "Dems are the Real Pedo's" as an entirely made up, orchestrated attack on the truth spun by serious financial interests / Organized Crime and their political vehicle, the Republican Party. A Party of Black mailers and Blackmailed,
ansible
(1,718 posts)Too bad we'll never know the truth
OAITW r.2.0
(24,504 posts)A little of everything, probably.
What I wonder is.....did the WH and DOJ collude to get Epstein arrested prior to the election, so he could suicide himself?
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)
at The Dalton School.
Did The Dalton School headmaster Donald Barr know Robert Maxwell?
During Donald Barrs time with the OSS, its possible that he would have also run into Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine Maxwells father. Robert Maxwell worked for British intelligence in post-war Germany at the same time that Donald Barr was there for the OSS. Maxwell was responsible for facilitating trading between eastern and western block countries and its likely that Donald Barr was one of his contacts.
https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/epstein-education/
stillcool
(32,626 posts)guess too much else going on, and he appeared to me to be someone on the fringe. He sounds just like TFG.
He maintained he hardly knew Hoffenberg, hed just consulted briefly on a couple of deals, that hed not been involved in any prosecution of Hoffenberg and that if I wrote any different, things would turn out badly for me.
snowybirdie
(5,229 posts)on Audible, "Chasing Ghislaine". Tells the story of Epstein and his " best friend". I recommend it. No charge if you already subscribe. Tells this entire story in great detail.
Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)From The New Yorker:
...When Barr was an undergraduate, at Columbia, his classmates marched against the war in Vietnam. Barr wanted instead to buttress American power. He had told a guidance counsellor that he hoped one day to lead the C.I.A., and, during breaks from school, he spent two summers as an intern there. In 1973, he finished a masters degree in Government and Chinese Studies and returned to the C.I.A. as an intelligence analyst. At the time, a Senate investigationknown as the Church Committeewas uncovering decades of abuses at the C.I.A., and laws were being passed to curtail them. Barr later recalled the effort as a kind of assault, delivering body blows to the agency....
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/01/20/william-barr-trumps-sword-and-shield?verso=true
Background to the Barr backstory:
AG Bill Barr's father hired Epstein to teach math at The Dalton School.
Donald Barr: Five Fast Facts You Need to Know
From there, Epstein would meet many people with heads for numbers and other things.
Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein.
Why should we care? Epsteins Business Model.
The Ghost of Roy Cohn
BY TERRY MELANSON · AUGUST 24, 2014
EXCERPT...
In an interview with former NYPD detective James Rothstein, this author discovered that such operations do exist and go far back into Americas secret history. Rothstein is no conspiracy theorist. He is a legend in American law enforcement and speaks from experience. Furthermore, he gave me two notable examples from his time as a detective. Rothstein had an opportunity to have a sit-down with infamous McCarthy committee counsel Roy Cohn. During this sit-down, Cohn admitted to Rothstein that he was part of a rather elaborate sexual blackmail operation that compromised politicians with child prostitutes (Rothstein, no pagination). Cohn told Rothstein that this operation was being carried out as part of the anticommunist crusade of the time (no pagination).
Rothstein also had an opportunity to speak to infamous Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis. During this conversation, Sturgis revealed one of the reasons for breaking into the Watergate. According to Sturgis, there was a Pedophile Book hidden away at the Democratic National Committee headquarters (no pagination). The book was supposed to have a list of pedophiles on the American political scene (no pagination). One can only imagine the power G. Gordon Liddy would have held over the government if he had such a book in his possession.
I asked Rothstein if Roy Cohn was a real anticommunist or just using the fear of communism to justify his sex ring. It seemed like a fair question. After all, Cohn had argued against homosexuals being schoolteachers when he himself was a homosexual. Perhaps Cohns hypocrisy extended to his anticommunism. Rothstein made it clear that Cohn was a genuine anticommunist (no pagination). Anticommunist sentiments aside, evidence suggests that the sex ring operation started by Cohn was used for more than fighting the threat of domestic communists. Fugitive ex-CIA officer Frank Terpil has claimed that sexual blackmailing operations directed by the CIA were intensive in Washington during the Watergate era (DeCamp 179). Terpil also asserts that his former partner, Ed Wilson, was coordinating one of these sexual blackmail operations (179). In a letter to author Jim Hougan, Terpil revealed Wilsons modus operandi:
Historically, one of Wilsons Agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses [of Congress] by any means necessary . Certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasies in the flesh . A remembrance of these occasions [was] permanently recorded via selected cameras . The technicians in charge of filming were TSD [Technical Services Division of the CIA]. The unwitting porno stars advanced in their political careers, some of [whom] may still be in office. (Qtd. in DeCamp 179)
According to John DeCamp, a former Nebraska Senator and Vietnam War hero, Wilsons operation was merely a continuation of the one set up by Cohn (179). When I asked James Rothstein if Palfreys outfit was a continuation of the sexual blackmail rings that began with Cohn, he answered in the affirmative (Rothstein, pagination). The NYPD veteran made it clear that Palfreys outfit could not exist in Washington unless it was a tool for the power elite and sinister factions of the intelligence community (no pagination). Somewhere in a Queens cemetery, the corpse of a high-powered attorney is smiling in his grave.
SOURCE:
https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2014/08/24/the-ghost-of-roy-cohn/
Explains all the swinging for Just Us.
Sexual exploitation of children is criminal. When done by the state, is NAZI.
Boomerproud
(7,955 posts)This has me curious. I want the names of the people being set up.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They are really the scum of the earth. I can't understand how people can become so corrupted and perverted. I just can't get my mind around it. At least Cohn and Epstein are dead, that's some kind of consolation.