Should private and government insurance pay for the unvaccinated who get Covid ?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I'm not saying to deny treatment which is cruel but those who refuse to get vaccinated and get sick should have to pay for their own treatment when it is completed. Exceptions should be made for those who are unable to get vaccinated but with the widespread availability of the vaccine that group is vanishingly small. Heck, they're even vaccinating folks at the grocery store.

[OAITW r.2.0]

1. Zippo, with caveats.

(1) Does not apply to people who have medically reasons to not vaccinate.

(2) Announce with 3 months notice, that any COVID hospitalization stays will not be obligated to cover these cases via private/public insurance. Put their money where there COVID breeding mouths are.

[Hoyt]

2. Probably violates ACA, etc., but would love to see unvaxed charged a premium surcharge.

[CrackityJones75]

28. Don't you pay higher rates as a smoker?

[unblock]

3. Yes. Everyone, even mentally ill biological terrorists are entitled to health care.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. They're entitled to health care, just not free health care.

If someone is able to get vaccinated, refuses to, and gets sick they should pay for their treatment after receiving it.

[unblock]

7. How about smokers? Suicide attempts? people who self-harm?

Health care shouldn't get into such questions.

I understand the frustration with these people, believe me. I just believe health care is a fundamental right and immoral or unethical behavior should have nothing to do with it.

Private insurance, if they have it, they presumably paid for it or earned it through their employer. Public insurance, they paid for through their taxes. But even if it's unpaid, it shouldn't matter. Someone who lives off completely off the grid and never pays even sales tax should still get health care.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Kant said

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Kant said when you weigh the morality of whether or not to do something you should ask yourself how you would feel if that act was made into a universal law. The unmasked and unvaccinated should be asked how they would feel if everybody refused to wear a mask and get vaccinated. As to smokers they are addicted, as to those who attempt suicide or harm themselves they have emotional problems which mitigate their culpability. They are much different from someone who refuses to get vaccinated. In a just world such selfishness would come with consequences.

[unblock]

10. Fines or imprisonment for harming others, i'm fine with.

Not for harming themselves.

As for mental illness, they are in fact caught in a group psychosis....

[tirebiter]

5. The only way to deal with an emergency is to treat everyone equally in danger.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. They're entitled to health care, just not free health care.

Plus they are purposely putting their fellow citizens in danger. That's part of the social contract, with freedom comes responsibility.

[unblock]

8. Now, tort is another matter. If there's a reasonable way to transfer the cost of harming others

to the people who are causing the harm, that I can get behind.

[KentuckyWoman]

32. There is no such thing as free healthcare.

NO PLACE provides free healthcare. Someone other than the recipient might be paying for it. It is not free.

[meadowlander]

11. Does that open the door to saying obese people have to pay for their own treatment?

Smokers?
People who have risky sex?
People who drink or eat red meat?

Lots of people make sub-optimal decisions about their healthcare. I don't think that's a good reason to bankrupt them when they get sick.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. None of those activities, violate the harm principle, sans smoking

And that only tangentially.

[Hekate]

21. This

[ripcord]

13. I remember hearing this same rational in the 80s about gays and AIDS

It was wrong then it is wrong now

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Is refusing to get vaccinated tantamount to having consensual sex?

In the former the unvaccinated are endangering the health of everybody they come in contact with. In the latter sex is helpfully volitional on behalf of the parties involved. I choose whom I have sex with. I can't choose who comes into my space that refuses to get vaccinated

[ripcord]

17. They said if you know what the risky behavior is and don't stop you are to blame

I remember when liberals used to be the compassionate party, this won't help get more people vaccinated it is just revenge.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. The big difference is anybody who has sex knows what the risks are.

I have no idea who is and isn't vaccinated.

[Hekate]

22. Yep

[SYFROYH]

15. Yes. If they can't pay now, they probably won't be able to pay later.

No point in placing them in endless debt more than they already are.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. Large copays and deductibles for those who are unvaccinated by choice.

Waived for vaccinated people with breakthrough infections, or those who legitimately CAN'T get vaccinated.

[marie999]

19. Yes, everyone should be entitled to free healthcare.

If you start excluding people for any reason then you can not believe in universal healthcare.

[Hekate]

23. True dat

[leftstreet]

24. +1

[obnoxiousdrunk]

20. Yes. n/t

[roamer65]

25. Around November most beds will be full so payment won't matter much.

There won’t be any beds to pay for, just like India.

This wave is where we will pass the 1M dead mark.

At least these idiots chose it.

[MineralMan]

26. Should they pay for alcoholics with cirrhosis?

Smokers with lung cancer?

Think about it.

[LakeArenal]

27. I don't want to retaliate with health care.

No weaponization.

[pwb]

29. Yes. Because I love everybody.

Even pukes should die being shown dignity. IMO.

[TheProle]

30. Yes.

All those who have these fever dreams of getting their pound of flesh from beer-bellied Trumpers should also consider that millions of black and brown people would be swept up in your tough love.

[KentuckyWoman]

31. We don't ask perfect choices for medical care.

If we did, the only people covered would be children.

[sarisataka]

33. Dear customer,

We are so sorry to hear your child has been hospitalized with the measles.

Unfortunately our review of your family medical records shows your child was six months past due for well child visits and preventative vaccinations.

As you are aware, your policy requires remaining up to date on all available vaccinations. We have taken into consideration your appeal that you could not get time off from work and that a well child visit was scheduled for later this month.

After a thorough review the decision of the committee is to uphold the denial of coverage. It is believed that you had more than adequate time to take your child to the doctor prior to becoming ill.

Your appeal is hereby denied, we will not pay any expenses for the treatment and hospital costs related to the measles.

You are a valuable customer and we look forward to serving you in the future.

Sincerely,

Your Insurance Company

[Shellback Squid]

34. obligate them to accept a portion of the cost, say 50% , and only people

with a VALID excuse are omitted