BREAKING - NYC vaccine mandate

[underpants]

DeBlasio on NOW. NYC PASS

Indoor dining, fitness, entertainment
Required vaccinations for staff and customers

in effect August 16
Enforcement starts Sept. 13

On edit lindsysalsagal’s thread with NY Times link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215693752

[bucolic_frolic]

1. COVID as a hoax that will just go away because there are very few cases

is a goner. Are the tides finally turning?

[greenjar_01]

2. DeBlasio pulling a Somalia on Eric Adams

This should go well...

[Deminpenn]

3. This is coming everywhere

It will only be a matter of a few more months before the Pfizer vaccine is fully approved by the FDA. Then the mandates will really start rolling out.

[Oppaloopa]

42. Not in Florida unless our governor leaves

[Deminpenn]

46. Businesses are going to mandate it

There's not much a governor can do about that.

[Demobrat]

4. This is a great start but

I wonder how they will enforce it. Those little cards would be so easy to counterfeit.

[underpants]

5. Yeah. I think the going rate is $50 for good fakes

As opposed to FREE and 15 minutes of your time afterwards so as not to die with tubes sticking out of you face down and alone. But hey, who am I to judge?

[unweird]

6. Counterfeiting is a Felony

That can be a serious violation if caught. Of course the devil is in the details of determining counterfeiting but if found out the consequences should be serious and publicized.

[LeftInTX]

8. You can also get a QR code....

[Demobrat]

13. I don't like the idea of anything that requires a smartphone.

Not everyone in the country has one, wants one, or can afford one.

My 88 year old mother, for instance.

[Blues Heron]

24. It's pretty much a requirement for 21st century living

it just makes so many things easier. Everybody needs some kind of tablet at this point or you're just needlessly making things harder for yourself.

[OnDoutside]

26. I got a paper version and scanned the QR code on to my Covid Tracker app, but you can carry

the paper version around with you if you like. The app works great for me.

[Dream Girl]

44. Which app are you using?

[Dream Girl]

45. Which app are you using?

[OnDoutside]

48. Apologies for not replying earlier

I'm actually in Ireland (so no use for those in the US unfortunately), but we've had a National Covid Tracker app for the last year



and they have now added to that app a way of uploading your vaccination details onto it, like this

[Dream Girl]

52. Thanks for sharing. We are hopefully headed your way next month for a wedding in Galway.

My husband is Irish. We haven’t been in several years. I hope it stays open. You just never know.

[OnDoutside]

56. I think it will stay open, even though today's number of cases

at 1,786 is the highest since February but only 3% of that is amongst over 65s and the ICU amount is manageable for now. Most of the cases are the 16-34 age group where the take up rate is slower than the fantastic rate of other groups. Registration for 12-15 age group starts next Thursday so I will register my son immediately.

Things have opened up a lot so things should be much easier for you, so enjoy !

Also bring your vaccination documentation or whatever you can...US documents are a gray area currently but they are working on it.

[Dream Girl]

57. Thanks for the heads up!

[Oppaloopa]

43. I am 71 no cell phone

[Hassin Bin Sober]

9. They should put a chip in the vaccine so you can be scanned at the door.

Wait, what?

[Demobrat]

11. Works for me.

Not sure what else will.

[sanatanadharma]

20. Now that is an excellent idea to share with the anti-vaxers

Sorry you can't freely go everywhere like me. I have my chip.
Enjoy your Blockbuster video. I'll see you after the world-premiere movie showing at the cinema.

[OnDoutside]

27. That's already been done by the anti-vaxxers, along with 5G..in fact my wifi has never been as good!

[Blues Heron]

23. not that hard to catch, they already nabbed two going into Canada

they're in a WORLD of legal hurt. This is serious business.

[Effete Snob]

33. It's easy to commit a lot of federal crimes

Most people don't.

[NYC Liberal]

41. NY has a secure vaccine passport

https://covid19vaccine.health.ny.gov/excelsior-pass-frequently-asked-questions

[LeftInTX]

7. Indoor dining, fitness and entertainment....

Does not apply to public transportation or shopping...

But I support this..indoor dining is optional, fitness centers require memberships, entertainment also is optional....

[underpants]

15. That's what was on the screen beside DeBlasio

I typed really fast. The link in the OP doesn’t say anything about bars or mass transit.

[LeftInTX]

16. I'm pretty sure public transit will be exempt....

Public transit is a necessity, so is shopping...

There are people who for some reason or other can't have vaccines....
There are also mentally ill people who take public transportation....My hunch is there are mentally ill people who refuse vaccines...

It's kinda like the mask mandates.....
We could not mandate masks for voting in Texas....

My friend was mad that masks were not required to vote, until she lost her mask on her way to vote. It was election day during the runoff and it was around 6 PM and she didn't have time to buy another mask. She had to vote without her mask...

[Raftergirl]

19. I'm pretty sure the mask mandate on public transit in NY

was never lifted.

[Deminpenn]

47. All trains, planes and buses

require masks because they come under federal regulation.

[JoanofArgh]

10. I'm surprised they didn't include bars. Those are some of the worst places of all,

with people all crowded around the bar not to mention drunk and not thinking rationally.

[LeftInTX]

12. I wonder if indoor dining/entertainment includes bars?

A few bars in Texas cheated the bar ban, by operating as dining establishments..

[JoanofArgh]

14. I hope so. In fact , I think it has to be this. It would be stupid to mandate vaccines but

leave out bars.

[Ms. Toad]

17. To late, but yay! N/t

[forthemiddle]

18. The city is creating a new "pass"

I’m not sure what that will look like, but it better be easy to get for out of town visitors. I am fully vaccinated, but when I visit there in October, I want to be able to dine out with the least amount of hassle.

As of yesterday 57.3% of NYC residents where fully vaccinated, but it’s only 31% for African Americans, and 42% Hispanics, so won’t this discriminate against minorities?

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data-vaccines.page

[femmedem]

21. Rather than thinking of it as discriminatory, I think of it as saving unvaccinated peoples' lives.

Which means it has a disproportionately beneficial effect on populations with low vaccination rates--especially if it pushes more people to get vaccinated.

I hadn't seen those statistics before. Disheartening. I wonder what the barrier is--access, language, working too many hours to afford time off, distrust of the vaccine. I doubt it's a high percentage QAnon-type refusal.

[Tommymac]

29. Tuskegee. 1932

The government experimented on POC without their consent or giving them full disclosure.

https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
The U.S. Public Health Service Syphilis Study at Tuskegee

In 1932, the USPHS, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis. It was originally called the “Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male” (now referred to as the “USPHS Syphilis Study at Tuskegee”). The study initially involved 600 Black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. Participants’ informed consent was not collected. Researchers told the men they were being treated for “bad blood,” a local term used to describe several ailments, including syphilis, anemia, and fatigue. In exchange for taking part in the study, the men received free medical exams, free meals, and burial insurance.

...

Later in 1973, a class-action lawsuit was filed on behalf of the study participants and their families, resulting in a $10 million, out-of-court settlement in 1974.

On May 16, 1997, President Bill Clinton issued a formal Presidential Apology for the study.

[Effete Snob]

34. Yes, notice that the study was about "UNTREATED" syphilis

The crime wasn't in giving them treatment. It was in NOT giving them treatment.

Using that as an excuse to refuse treatment doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

Also, it's not as if covid vaccination is some isolated study somewhere, or that there is some way for making sure only white people get the *real* vaccine.

[Initech]

22. Good! It's time to kick anti-vaxxers to the curb!

[Hortensis]

25. All right! Hope it's infectious as hell. But a month to go into effect?

Just hope that was coordinated with delta.

[niyad]

28. Why in the F'n HELL are they waiting two weeks to go into effect? This should already be

In place.

[Celerity]

51. Enforcement starts Sept. 13

[niyad]

53. That made me even crazier than the Aug 16 start date.

[Celerity]

54. I wager they picked that date as it is the first weekday after the huge 20th anniversary of 9/11

Short-sighted economic power play (don't want to block and supress the throngs of dosh-spending people)

[niyad]

55. Had not thought of that. Sickening.

[IronLionZion]

30. Did they say what kind of proof?

Considering the diversity and transitory nature of NYC, it can be challenging to keep track and enforce.

[slumcamper]

31. Ummmmm...how about IMMEDIATELY???? n/t

[brooklynite]

32. The NYC PASS is buggy and not very secure

It asks you to photograph and upload picture of your vax card, rather than pull the data from the State records.

[BusterMove]

35. I just did mine - just needed the date of vaccination and DOB etc...easy to get.

[brooklynite]

36. Correct, but its not clear that the requested data is validated in any way.

[BusterMove]

37. Huh - good point - i figured since you fill out the form when vaccinated - they checked. ???

[brooklynite]

38. I also have the NYS Excelsior Pass app, which pulled up my vax record from the State database

[BusterMove]

39. Yep - thanks - that is the route I took also. nt

[OverBurn]

40. Good Job, do it everywhere!

[triron]

50. Major cities in NM needs to do this asap. Or at least Albuquerque.

I will try to remember to call the mayor's office here in Albuquerque about this tomorrow.