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Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:23 PM

President Obama's birthday party was a bad idea

The Right is having an absolute field day with it. Of course photos and videos got out. That was inevitable. People crowded together around the dance floor. No masks. Social distancing non-existent.

You know who was wearing masks? The staff. What a great optic.

Sigh. This was totally foreseeable.

People don't like this stuff. "Rules for thee but not for me." That's a nice chunk of why Newsom got himself in trouble in California. I don't think people from out of state understand the pure rage people had when he and London Breed got nailed for their behavior. Not just Republicans, either. Nearly everyone. Certainly everyone I know.

This stuff hurts us. It hurts our efforts.

The politicians and famous people on our side need to abide by the rules and recommendations given to everyone else. If you give someone an order, then you yourself don't follow it, it pisses people off. Even the ones who are inclined to be on your side.

I know we don't like to call out our own, but why this completely predictable chum thrown into the water for our opponents?

This was stupid.

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krawhitham Aug 2021 #107
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Orrex Aug 2021 #198
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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:24 PM

1. President Obama is not a public official.

Nor is he running for office.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:26 PM

4. We rip people who are not public officials for having large gatherings every day. n/m

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:39 PM

22. We don't "rip" Barack Obama on DU every day

And people drawing parallels to Trump over this ridiculous issue may be in the wrong forum.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:43 PM

27. What does that have to do with anything?

Are you denying there is a pandemic still going on? Because there's only one group that denies that. Do you need a hint as to whom?

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:16 PM

107. Du did when he was POTUS

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:58 PM

41. This is a one-day story if that. Let's carry on.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 10:01 AM

198. Perhaps you'd like to tell us that Obama is a used car salesman

That usually turns out well.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #198)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:58 PM

202. I hope this is sarcasm

Because Fuck Manny and the Jackass Ruskies.

My only point here is posting ten stories a day expressing outrage over every party a bunch of hicks in Dipshit, Arkansas or every church service in Fuckwad, Wyoming that killed 6 people and then saying this is no big deal or "he can do whatever he wants" is a dumb look.

Some people are consistent, and others are just see no evil cheerleaders. I think that's been obvious the last two days. Whether that hits too close is up to you.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:26 PM

5. LOL... then no more mention of trump here either... n/t

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:29 PM

9. The right will be outraged at Obama if he reaches over the sneezeguard

He should do whatever the hell he wants.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:31 PM

11. The Left will be outraged at trump if he reaches over the sneezeguard


He should do whatever the hell he wants.

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:32 PM

14. Doesn't he already do what he wants?

NT

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Response to LisaL (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:33 PM

16. who? trump or Obama? n/t

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:40 PM

23. If it wasn't for Trump

we wouldn't be in such a sorry state. It is the result of his lack of leadership. Defend that.

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:25 AM

196. You really have to ask?

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Response to LisaL (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:48 PM

31. Apparently.

This was a bad look.

I subscribe to a number of European newspapers, and this is being noticed. I’m disappointed.

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:32 PM

15. Which one is running for public office...

...Issuing "public" memoranda from a fake office and holding political hate rallies. You're right the situation is just the same.

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:41 PM

91. Trump is a un-American pos. He should be locked up for the rest of his life.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:31 PM

12. ?

He is a leader, currently elected or not. It was a damn stupid and tone deaf decision. It oozes elitism.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:03 PM

43. Lol, nice try, he is a democratic figure!!!! Nt

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Response to USALiberal (Reply #43)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:06 PM

46. ...who can be critized (without it being "bashing") for poor policy choices.

I was at a party with Mary Trump and 50-odd people Saturday. The key point is that everyone was vaccinated. That should have been made clear with respect to the Obama Party.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:13 PM

129. Criticism is one thing, being called stupid is another.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #46)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:35 PM

138. Allegedly vaccinated...

 



(also, I think you accidently dropped another name wholly nd completely irrelevant to any points made)

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:06 PM

75. Neither is Trump

But we talk about Trump as much as the right talks about Obama.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #75)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:08 PM

103. There is no equivalence.

And Donald Trump does in fact claim to be a candidate for office.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #103)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 08:54 AM

154. I would prefer to NOT elevate Trump

But you are free to do as you wish.


I prefer to ignore him.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:41 PM

90. No but he still lectures and gives advise and he needs to make sure his conduct is impecable

mostly when he knows that republicans will take a sneeze incident from him and make it into something big.

Its just common sense and being ahead of the stupid game republicans play day in day out.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:25 PM

2. You're not signing his card

are ya ?


✌🏻

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:26 PM

3. There are no orders right now that would prevent an individual from having a party or do whatever.

That might be one of the reasons for why our covid cases are exploding.
But I don't think Obama broke any rules.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:43 PM

92. Lead by example? and not allow the repubs to make this into a big issue which they will?

You don't give repubs an inch of your arm because the will take the whole arm and more if they have time.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:28 PM

6. I thought it was scaled down

Are we sure the pics are real and not ProjectVeritas sort of bullshit?

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:29 PM

10. It was scaled down to a really large party.

NT

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:28 PM

7. Because if he hadn't had that danged party, the right would not come after us ...

 

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:33 PM

17. This doesn't only bother the Right

And everyone knows that.

At least they should.

Why do you think those Newsom polls are looking the way they are in a heavily Democratic state?

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:41 PM

25. lol. yup, that has to be why those pesky republicans are behaving so badly toward us, because

of President Obama's Birthday party


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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:31 PM

60. That isn't my issue

Obama is a role model...too many decent people are laissez-faire right now..

Many of them are Democrats themselves....

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:28 PM

8. Obama is out of F's to give about what the GOP thinks of him.

I don't blame him. He has made serious sacrifices for his country, he deserves to do what he wants now.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:35 PM

18. Interesting take

Who else has the right to "do whatever they want" during a pandemic?

I remind you. We are still in a pandemic. Only the GOP denies that.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:44 PM

28. I myself would not throw a big party right now.

But Obama paid his dues big time. For 8 years, he and his family walked out the front door and didn't know if they would return alive.
And they were vilified in despicable ways, every day.

I think it was a mistake to have the bash, but I give him a pass, and don't want to judge him.

He would have to wait another ten years to have a big decade birthday party and who knows the future?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:51 PM

37. Well, the virus doesn't judge either

So that is what it is.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:50 PM

34. Thank you.

I’m really disappointed in his decision to continue with this. Really tone deaf.

As another poster says, it smacks of elitism.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #34)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:53 PM

39. Oh I'm not surprised you do. n/m

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:17 PM

52. Good to know, Brad.

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Response to BradAllison (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:12 AM

178. these apologists make me sick

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:28 PM

111. Avoiding large gatherings, mask wearing,etc., are matters of public health

Escaping from those restrictions is not a reward for making sacrifices. That reward framing is part of the reason we are not looking at COVID in the rear view mirror.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:31 PM

13. Definately - There Should Be A Commission To Investigate And He Should Be Impeached.....

NOT!!!

Posted as sarcasm.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:36 PM

19. Odds are that everyone in attendance was vaxxed.

But I agree, it gives the RW ammunition to accuse Dems of hypocrisy. Which they do 24/7 anyway.

If they don't have something specific to point to (Cuomo, Franken), they just make it up. They accused Obama of elitism for eating Dijon mustard.

Doesn't matter if it's true or not.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:42 PM

26. Yes they were

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:50 PM

35. But this isn't just about the right. It's about what's right, and the fact that regular

average everyday Democratic voters don't like being told they should mask up and avoid crowds and then seeing pictures of leadership in their own party ignoring the rules 'cause birthday and celebrities.

It was a bad idea. It just was - and I LOVE the Obamas with a capital LOVE.

LOVE them.


We're all sick of COVID. We know most of them were vaccinated. We know it was outdoors. It's still terrible optics and honestly, with the transmissibility of Delta (including outdoors) and number of breakthrough cases - it just wasn't a smart thing to do.





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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:43 AM

183. Link and quote the rule to mask up and avoid crowd when everyone is vaxed? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #183)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:21 PM

200. Link to proof that everyone was vaxed? tia

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:56 PM

40. I certainly hope so

Anyone getting near the President should be and show proof, no fucking excuses.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:37 PM

20. It was scaled back, outdoors, and had a covid coordinator to check status.

The party adhered to health protocols.
Even if it had only been he and Michelle, "they" would have complaints.

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Response to quaint (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:38 PM

21. +++++ agree. n/t

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Response to quaint (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:46 PM

30. Health protocols . . .

vaccinated, etc.

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Response to quaint (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:16 PM

77. +1

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Response to quaint (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:26 PM

80. It was not "outdoors"

It was held in a large tent on the property.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #80)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:48 AM

188. That was outdoors correct? Slicing onions for the sake of food

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #188)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 11:23 AM

199. Not for covid it is not.

Not when you are inside a crowded tent. Covid is not spread in the outdoors because of fresh air, constant ventilation of the air and uV rays from the sun (which go thru clouds). A tent negates all of that,

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Response to quaint (Reply #20)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:25 AM

148. If it had him and his wife over Skype from different coats, they would have had complaints.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:40 PM

24. The right also had a field day with his tan suit.

Last edited Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:48 PM - Edit history (1)

How about you push back against their bullshit propaganda instead of contribute to it?

Obama's party was a private outdoors gathering; CDC guidance does not mandate that individuals who have been fully vaccinated have to mask up in such circumstances.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:45 PM

29. Fully vaxxed individuals are being infected. Half a dozen threads on it here everyday.

They were inside of tents for much of the party.

This was a bad idea.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:47 PM

95. Outdoor tents.

And everyone was either fully vaccinated and/or were tested for COVID prior to their participation in the event.

Obama and his guests went above and beyond current CDC guidelines, which currently state that fully vaccinated individuals should wear masks in public indoor spaces in areas of high transmission.

Stop doing the Republicans' bidding.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #95)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:20 PM

132. COVID is not a political matter. It is a matter of public health.

Outdoors is not inherently safe, with the Delta variant. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/pendleton-whisky-music-faster-horses-covid-outbreaks-outdoor-transmission-1208842/

The event should have been delayed for public health reasons. Not for political reasons, but because the delta variant can be transmitted outdoors among vaccinated individuals and we all need to do our part. My parents skipped their 65th annversary celebration last year. I'm skipping my 40th anniversary this year. Because it is the safe thing to do to contribute to public health. I hold Obama to the same standards.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #132)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 06:40 PM

165. Going above and beyond prevailing CDC guidance is not political.

You may think it was irresponsible of Obama to hold such an event, but fact of the matter is that he went above and beyond current CDC guidance in doing so.

It's fine that you are personally more risk averse than Obama apparently is -- hell, I'm basically a shut-in, so I'm probably even more risk averse than you -- but I'm not going to look down upon what you choose to do as long as you are being responsible and follow prevailing guidelines at the time.

Basically, it is not up to Obama to follow your personal standards anymore than it is up to you to follow my personal standards. As long as we are following CDC guidance, we are doing a helluva lot more than those that are not -- you know, the ones that are the real source of our current problems.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #165)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:53 PM

168. It was irresponsible. Period.

Being less irresponsible than others doesn't make it responsible.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #168)

Sat Aug 14, 2021, 11:37 PM

206. In your opinion.

If you've been out of your house any time recently, you most certainly were more likely to get infected with COVID than those at Obama's outdoor party.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:44 AM

184. So Obama follow protocol? tia

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:49 PM

33. Michelle sleeveless dresses too . . .

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:07 PM

76. THREAD WINNER! Excellent Advice, TY!

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Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:18 PM

79. ...

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Response to George II (Reply #79)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 08:33 AM

151. I am not sure we should be celebrating this kind of thing.

 

It is a poor idea during a health emergency.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:38 PM

88. Just days ago we were rec'ing threads about un-masked Representative Norman getting Covid.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #88)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:51 PM

98. And that GOP representative was not following the guidance applied to him.

The House has mandated that masks be worn again based on advice from the Capitol physician, which is based on CDC guidance.

The current CDC guidance would not have mandated masked for fully vaccinated people attending Obama's private outdoor event.

Do you see the difference in the two? Or will you continue carrying water for GOP propagandists?

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #98)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:14 PM

106. It wasn't outdoors.

The tent was outdoors. 475 people in the tent. Plus 200 workers.

Francis Collins, NIH director appointed by Pres Obama on CNN Sunday said this:

“If you're talking about a small party like I might have at my house for six or eight people who are all fully vaccinated, I do not believe, at this point, we need to put masks on to be next to each other.

But if there were 100 people -- and, of course, how are you really going to be sure about people's vaccination status? And maybe there's some immunocompromised people there who, though they're vaccinated, are not actually fully protected, then the dynamic changes a little bit. There will be some need for common sense there.”

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2108/01/sotu.01.html


It's not "carrying water for GOP propagandists" to recognize that this is bad optics and that we need to practice what we preach.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #106)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:39 PM

120. Yeah, in a tent -- outdoors.

It's no different than the mobile unit tents we see people going through to get their vaccines and/or COVID tests.

I'm sorry that you seem to eager to join Republicans in attacking Obama for not only following current CDC guidance, but going above and beyond by requiring full vaccination or a negative COVID test to attend his event.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #120)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:57 PM

125. Bwahahaha.

That's some Gordian knot rationalization.

Those mobile tents that people go through to get their vaccines and/or Covid tests? Everyone is wearing a mask!

Yes, the tent is outdoors. In the same way that a grocery store is outdoors. And a school is outdoors. It's what happens inside that structure that matters.

Regarding the CDC guidelines, after the rise in COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths in late July, the CDC reversed its mask policy, recommending that fully vaccinated people should resume wearing their masks indoors.

Again, this has nothing to do with joining Republicans in attacking Obama. Ironically, I didn't know anything about it until I logged onto DU.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #125)

Sat Aug 14, 2021, 11:35 PM

205. No, it's really not.

An outdoor tent with flaps to allow it to be open air is outdoors.

And those mobile tents also include unvaccinated people and/or people that have not tested negative for COVID; for the Obama party, everyone was fully vaccinated and/or tested beforehand to ensure they weren't infected with the virus.

As for your final point, the tent was open air and outdoors.

Sorry that you can't handle that the Obama party not only adhered to current CDC guidance, but it went above and beyond (by requiring vaccinations and/or negative testing).

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Response to progressoid (Reply #88)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 09:30 AM

155. And? President Obama followed the CDC guidelines and then some. He proved they work.....

We should be rec'ing that.

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Response to George II (Reply #155)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 05:27 PM

162. Did he prove it?

The only way to prove it would be to test the over 600 guests and workers after the event. What are the chances contact tracing was included with the invitation?

And the CDC changed their guidelines in July, recommending that fully vaccinated people should resume wearing their masks indoors.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #162)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 05:43 PM

164. You're calling former President Barack Obama a liar or deceitful?

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Response to George II (Reply #164)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:17 PM

166. Literally never said that.

Or even implied it.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #166)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:54 PM

169. He held his event in full compliance with CDC guidelines and more. There were no outbreaks....

Yes, he "proved" that they work if fully complied with, but you essentially questioned if he "proved" they work.

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Response to George II (Reply #169)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 09:27 PM

170. I questioned "your" statement that he proved it.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #170)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 09:33 PM

171. Again, he held the event in compliance with CDC guidelines and there was no outbreak...

Take that as you will.

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Response to George II (Reply #171)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 10:18 PM

172. Again, how do you know there was no outbreak?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #172)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 10:27 PM

173. Why are you questioning everything said here? Seems like you have something against....

...President Obama.

If there was an outbreak why not let us all know. Thanks!

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Response to George II (Reply #173)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 01:58 AM

175. Snort.

I don't know if there was an outbreak. Just as you don't know there wasn't an outbreak (despite your claim that there wasn't).

I don't have "something" against Obama. I have something against faulty rationalization and weak excuses.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:20 PM

108. It was a stupid, stupid unforced error.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #108)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:41 PM

121. No, it wasn't.

And the fact that so-called Democrats are joining Republicans in their disingenuous attacks on the man is sad. You would think that SOME people would have learned their lesson after echoing the same bullshit attacks on Hillary, which directly led to this pandemic (at least in my opinion), but I guess not.

Fact is, Obama went above and beyond current CDC guidelines. Realize that every time you aid and abet Republicans by attacking him over this.

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Response to W_HAMILTON (Reply #121)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:11 AM

177. YES IT WAS

COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY DURING A PANDEMIC

JUST STOP IT ALREADY

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Response to Skittles (Reply #177)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:17 AM

195. Exactly

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #108)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:45 AM

185. Obama follows the rules and is still an error?;??! Who are you trying to please?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #185)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 08:17 AM

194. Sigh

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:49 PM

32. LMFAO

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:51 PM

36. Well? Were the guests vaxed & covid testwd before entering the island property?

 

Your post omits the precautions taken not only by the Obamas, but by the high profile attendees.

It wasn't a RW political frat party .

Without knowing the restrictions pre-set & agreed to, your post simply repeats social media memes placing a negative spin on the Obama bday celebration.

I somehow can't see Beyonce & JayZ saying, " "meh, we'll take our chances" on the decision to attend.

IMO, as for the Staff, they were masked because it probably was a standard requirement of the Co that employed them.

Who cares what the RW says about it.
They weren't invited.


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Response to Budi (Reply #36)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:28 PM

58. Enough!

anyone here remember Nancy Pelosi's haircut?...Republican ammunition...Joe tripping on a stair before boarding Air Force 1?...Republican ammunition...Kamala inviting everyone to have a nice Memorial Day weekend?...Republican ammunition...we Dems, always careful not to offend...play nice..follow the rules...it's all about optics..well, fuck optics..fuck Republican phony moral outrage...Obama's fully vaccinated birthday party upsets the right's delicate fainting couch sensibilities but Camp Auschwitz, gallows, the confederate flag, rampaging animals hunting the Speaker and the Vice President with intent to kill, defiling the sanctity of the Capital...all ok...Obama in a tan suit...big bad no no... Trump and his amoral Republican cretins with their callous disregard for human life destroyed our world ..they can take their self-righteous bullshit and shove it...they don't get to tell us how to live...fuck them, fuck them all...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:34 PM

63. K & R. I got nothing more to add.

 

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Response to agingdem (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:32 PM

84. Thank you, agingdem

You said it just right!

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Response to agingdem (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:38 PM

89. Mic drop 👏

And chef's kiss. Well said.

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Response to agingdem (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:26 PM

110. THANK YOU!!!!!!

I couldn't have said this better!!

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Response to agingdem (Reply #58)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:47 AM

187. +1,

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Response to Budi (Reply #36)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:00 PM

73. Yep.

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Response to Budi (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:47 AM

186. +1 same hand ringers who worry about tan suits are concerned about this

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 02:53 PM

38. All fully vaccinated and outdoors.

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Response to blm (Reply #38)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:05 PM

45. They were crowded up in tents

Pictures have leaked. It's an absolutely terrible look.

We know vaccinated people can contract and spread the Delta variant. Children are still not vaccinated, and we're watching that disaster play out in real time.

The thread is going about how I expected, but I stand by it: This was horribly irresponsible.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:00 PM

42. I agree and I believe lots of tents were involved it was not strictly an outdoor event at all

It doesn't help...

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:04 PM

44. Tsk, tsk! "I know we don't like to call out our own, but..."

Actually, a lot of us love nothing more than calling out out own. Thanks for a good example of it.



Whether chum gets thrown in the water on not, the RW will still find fault. They frick'n make stuff up to be outraged.
There is no point in worrying whether it will offend them. Don't lend them ammunition by scolding others about it.


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Response to FSogol (Reply #44)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:07 PM

47. If you think only the right-wing gets mad about this stuff

I don't know what to tell you. People do not care for it when the rich, famous, and powerful are not asked to abide by the same rules and guidelines everyone else is.

At least, people in the Democratic party I know don't like that sort of thing.

Has that changed, or are we still allowed to really dislike that sort of thing?

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:16 PM

50. I dislike it.

“Rules for thee and not for me.” That shit makes us look like hypocrites.

People on this thread all of a sudden acting like vaxxed people can’t get sick, despite the many anecdotal threads about vaxxed “neighbors, friends, family members, cousins, aunts” and so on who have gotten sick.

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #50)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:03 PM

74. Just looked up that 'Rules for thee and not for me' quote.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #74)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:47 PM

94. Honeybunch, that quote has been around forever.

But I do love that you follow me so closely. Mwah.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:16 PM

51. But there are no rules and guidelines right now that would prevent someone from having a party.

What rules and guidelines he is not abiding by?

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:18 PM

53. If you think the left is staying home and the right is out partying except for a few examples

you are severely mistaken. The airlines are full, vacations spots are full, ballparks are full, and restaurants/ bars are full. In a couple of weeks the NFL and college football will begin with huge crowds. Musics festivals are back.

Sorry, but many Americans of all political persuasions aren't taking the pandemic seriously.
Picking Obama, or Newsome, or DC Mayor Browser to complain about is just aiding the right.
Both examples took reasonable precautions only to be bashed by people doing much worse.

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Response to FSogol (Reply #53)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:34 PM

62. Well, hospitals are full also.

But that's neither here nor there, I guess.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #62)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:35 PM

64. +1, Correct. n/t

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:57 PM

100. Where do you get that ?

People love the rich and famous.

And where do you get the idea there are different rules? The Obamas followed the rules everyone else has to follow. They would never do differently.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:33 PM

115. Which one is that?

 

"..people in the Democratic party I know.."

But you're certain of Obama's.
Oh , & the rich & powerful.


🙄

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:11 PM

128. Former President Barack Obama and his guests did not violate the current CDC guidelines.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #47)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:16 AM

179. it's mind-boggling

it's just so fucking ridiculous, the excuses people make. We're just supposed to think it's cool because, you know, it's OBAMA....and he is......you know, A GOOD GUY

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:14 PM

49. I don't give a fuck what the right wing noise machine says.

They didn't like his tan suit either.

Fuck them.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #49)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:21 PM

54. K & R Thank You!

 

Why are we seeing anti-Obama RW concerns here anyway?

Ugh.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:23 PM

55. I'm concerned about the attendees.

I would have felt differently a couple of months ago prior to Delta hitting the US so hard. There are numerous breakthrough cases. While the vaccines seem to be doing a remarkable job of preventing hospitalizations and death, the vaccinated can still spread it to those who are not and can not be vaccinated at this time. I probably lean towards being overly cautious though. I just hope we don't hear about people who attended testing positive in the next couple of weeks. I wouldn't even consider attending a big party like that. But then I still won't even eat in a restaurant.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:26 PM

56. Heh

hurts “us” and “our” efforts. Nice touch, that

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:27 PM

57. Was he wearing a tan suit? Was Michelle in a sleeveless dress?

Oh, the humanity!

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:31 PM

59. If they were all vaccinated I don't care

My family (all vaxed)had a big get together a couple weeks ago and it was fine.

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Response to Calculating (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:00 PM

102. Have you not been reading the dozen or so threads here about vaxxed people getting sick?

All du anecdotal tales of course, but surely they’re all true?

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Response to iemanja (Reply #145)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 01:27 AM

146. Still a very small portion of vaccinated people having breakthrough cases.

the Provincetown cluster being the largest known breakthrough event.

it is possible to have a gathering of vaccinated people and not have that same level of infection. it happened quite frequently in July; i myself went to a MLS game in a sea of unmasked middle americans.

this new surge in cases is not being driven by breakthroughs - it's the unvaxxed.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #146)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 11:59 AM

157. then you're the one relying on anecdote

rather than evidence. There are breakthrough cases all around the country, and not small numbers. Vaccinated people don't tend to become nearly as sick as un-vaccinated ones, but they spread the disease and about 1000 have died.

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Response to iemanja (Reply #157)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 12:41 PM

158. I am not saying that anecdote is proof.

I made 2 assertions:
1. Still a very small portion of vaccinated people having breakthrough cases.
2. this new surge in cases is not being driven by breakthroughs - it's the unvaxxed.

Are either of those untrue? you say the breakthroughs are "not small numbers". that sounds pretty subjective to me, at least as subjective as my "very small".

there are 167 million fully vaccinated people in the US. using this randomly-selected article's numbers ( https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/breakthrough-covid-cases-least-125-000-fully-vaccinated-americans-have-n1275500 ). 125,000 have tested positive, 1,400 have died in this surge.

125,000/167,000,000 = 0.00075%.
1400/167,000,000 = 0.000008%.

I say those numbers are "very small"; you say they are "not small". we're going to have to disagree.

meanwhile, the average cases/day is >100,000. i would agree that that number is "not small".

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #158)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 12:53 PM

159. There are some studies that show limited effectiveness against delta

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Response to Treefrog (Reply #102)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:51 AM

190. Anecdotes aren't data

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:32 PM

61. I wrote in another thread that I trusted President Obama's

judgement in having a responsible gathering and hopefully protocol was thorough enough that no one catches a breakthrough infection or takes home a case to their kids.

Given the level of awareness, concern and compliance here at DU, I don't think that anyone is being a bad Democrat by cringing a little bit at the optics.

If they're using it as a cudgel to beat up President Obama, that's a different story.

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Response to TheProle (Reply #61)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:41 PM

66. Yes. "They're using it as a cudgel to beat up President Obama".

 

The rest is optics which omit facts.
Which is why the particular photos were selected.

Did any of the photos include the precautions required to enter the bday celebration?
Nope, because its about suggestion, not fact.

What message were those who selected the partigular photos, intending?


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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:41 PM

65. Wow.

What an interesting thread.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:41 PM

67. Dunning-Kruger or just anxiety running amok?

Amazing how many, even here, seem to assume they're wiser and smarter, more politically astute, and far more socially and morally responsible than President and Michelle Obama.

And forget that for a period we believed widespread vaccination availability meant we could travel safely and gather with other vaccinated people. Because it was true. Until more lethal variants suddenly entered the scene like rampaging bulls charging into a global china shop.

And fuck the Republicans. To take this up, they had to drop whatever other malicious and phony clubs they'd be swinging instead. Don't like the ahimals? Don't feed them.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:43 PM

68. Bad things about Democrats.

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #68)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:49 PM

70. As usual

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Response to blm (Reply #70)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:57 PM

72. And with help from friends!

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Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #68)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:17 AM

180. yes, it SUCKS when they behave badly

definitely

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:46 PM

69. Thanks for your concern.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 03:49 PM

71. I disagree with the right and with you about president Obama's event.

He’s a private citizen and broke no laws.

He does not deserve to be criticized on DU like is happening in the right-wing media.

His party did not hurt me. It did not hurt you.

Now, I could make the argument that posts that echo the right’s message are harmful because they contribute to search engine-results placement. But I won’t do that.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:17 PM

78. And btw, where's the link to the OP's accusations about Obama? It's not just the Republicans btw.

 

Here's a doctored up pic circulating Leftist accts.

This is abruptly similar in it's intended suggestion.
From the "They're ALL THE SAAAAME" bunch.




Its not a RW source either.
See, the small print, right there under the words, " Decimating Black Wealth and the Middle Class"


Their messaging apparantly merges, on cue.
Awww. They made a matching one for VP Harris.




OP at least owes the readers of the condemnation of Obama a link to his source.
The messaging isn't solely a Republican thing, apparantly.

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Response to Budi (Reply #78)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:39 PM

119. I wonder why they zeroed in on both Barack Obama and Kamala Harris? What do THEY have in common?

Rhetorical question, everyone knows why. Obama has had to put up with crap like that since becoming President and Harris since late 2019 when she announced her candidacy.

These should be sent to the attorneys of both InStyle and Vogue. I could see hefty lawsuits in the making.

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Response to George II (Reply #119)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:57 PM

124. No doubt! It's telling whose racial bias has emerged & allied

 

These should be sent to InStyle and Vogue.

Ya think they'd be a bit pissed.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:27 PM

83. The data below makes me feel as though maybe President Obama should be setting an example

or at least letting people know that IF they are vaccinated, they too can party like this. He is beloved by millions. Setting an example would be a great thing.

The CDC reports demographic characteristics, including race/ethnicity, of people receiving COVID-19 vaccinations at the national level. As of August 2, 2021, CDC reported that race/ethnicity was known for 58% of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine. Among this group, nearly two thirds were White (59%), 10% were Black, 16% were Hispanic, 6% were Asian, 1% were American Indian or Alaska Native.

emphasis inserted by me

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #83)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:09 PM

127. He has been working his butt off trying to get people to get vaccinated.

I did a quick Google search before posting, and there were many examples of media appearances and PSAs he has done. Go and see for yourself.

As for the party, he scaled it back tremendously, and made it a point to say that everyone was vaccinated. To make the accusation that he isn’t modeling good behavior belies the facts.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:08 PM

104. Search engine results should not displace intellectual honesty.

If a DUer has been intellectually consistent in their critique of other mass gatherings, even w. vaccination requirements, then I have no problem with their honest criticism of anyone engaging in such behaviors.

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Response to TheProle (Reply #104)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:29 PM

113. When the critique is consistantly targeting particular people/groups, then a call-out is Fair.

 

We do Notice.

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Response to Budi (Reply #113)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:38 PM

118. Indeed. Notice and call out as you wish.

I've seen the critique leveled at Lollapalooza (vaccination required) and other gatherings that require proof of vaccination.

I guess my point is that honest discussion should not be stifled because it exposes our bellies in some way to the Republicans.

I don't personally think President Obama did anything wrong. But I'm not willing to engage in a party purge over it in the middle of a pandemic.

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Response to TheProle (Reply #118)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:18 PM

130. Lollapalooza? Are you kidding?

There is no equivalence between a private gathering versus a major concert.

We should be on the side of President Obama instead of part of the critic chorus. There are enough people criticizing his every move already.

I don’t even understand what you mean by a party purge.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #130)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:23 PM

135. 200 people ain't a dinner party.

The "purge" comment was about the subtext being directed at some posters implying that they are not real Democrats or are trying to damage the party with their criticism.

And I already have made clear at least 3 times that I don't think President Obama did anything wrong.

That said, breakthrough infections are real, if rare, and the jury is still out on if they can develop into long-haul.

"We should be on the side of (insert Democrat here)" is the mentality that has so many members of this community shrugging off the apparently very real lechery of New York's government.

Support should be principled, not reflexive.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:52 PM

122. K & R Thank You!.

 

"..posts that echo the right’s message are harmful because they contribute to search engine-results placement."

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:27 PM

81. Oh dear....

My husbands birthday is next week. We're fully vaccinated, as are those we have invited. Do I have to ask you for permission to have my friends over for a barbecue? I'm not running for anything, but I don't want to see you get hurt.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #81)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:36 PM

87. *snort*

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Response to stillcool (Reply #81)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:38 PM

117. You can take the advice from Francis Collins, the NIH director President Obama appointed

“If you're talking about a small party like I might have at my house for six or eight people who are all fully vaccinated, I do not believe, at this point, we need to put masks on to be next to each other.

But if there were 100 people -- and, of course, how are you really going to be sure about people's vaccination status? And maybe there's some immunocompromised people there who, though they're vaccinated, are not actually fully protected, then the dynamic changes a little bit. There will be some need for common sense there.”



http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2108/01/sotu.01.html

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:27 PM

82. I always like

To see relatively new members (2/20) have such strong opinions on what our former Democratic President is doing in his private life. Funny, it coincides with the opinions of right wing Republicans. Good for you. You've made your mark!

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #82)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:35 PM

86. K & R Thank You! See Post #78 above yours.

 

They don't have to disguise it by cleverly blaming each other.

I'm not sure exactly what they're Left of anymore.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:33 PM

85. I think we can let Obama slide on this

Given everything that he has done for the country.

I'm ok with him bypassing a few rules.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #85)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:09 PM

105. No rules were bypassed.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #105)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 08:53 AM

153. Cool. Then no harm no foul

Why is anyone getting upset then?

If masks aren't required, then he's fine.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:44 PM

93. Vaxxed people get to do this. This shows what vaccinations allow with proper protocols in place.

Anyone who is not comfortable attending can decline and most would understand in vaccinated groups such as these.

People have been sitting outside of restaurants eating in tents so I don't see an issue with this either... that is, when everyone is vaxxed and the people are in their circle of family and friends.

Now if they are not following protocols outside of this (by not wearing a mask) then that's inconsiderate and people can take issue if the context is known.


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Response to chowder66 (Reply #93)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:29 PM

136. Vaxxed people can still spread COVID.

Even if they were tested before the party, who is to say that a person there was infected but the infection not showing up yet?

The 200 person party was a freaking horrible idea, even if scaled down from the original.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #136)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:53 PM

141. I guess you missed where I said "...with proper protocols in place"

and

"Now if they are not following protocols outside of this (by not wearing a mask) then that's inconsiderate and people can take issue if the context is known."

Breakthrough cases are still considered rare and the CDC's advice is to mask indoors where low vaccination rates are. I personally think people should continue to mask regardless but I don't take issue with a private gathering with family and friends who are vaccinated and follow all of the protocols that were provided by a specialist at Obama's party.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:50 PM

96. Republicans could do it

There'd be no problem with Dubya having a birthday party.

People were vaccinated. And when it was planned may have been before this new variant started.

Obama is a private citizen now.

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Response to treestar (Reply #96)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:58 PM

101. Ralph Norman (R-SC) was vaccinated too.

Being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading the virus.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #101)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:41 PM

140. statistically it is uncommon

there is a lot of hair on fire out there. The vaccines are not useless. Full shut down has not been implemented.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:51 PM

97. I love Obama but not a mask in sight????

Seriously, not sure why they could not have postponed it for a more appropriate time. The issue is not vaccinations....its masks, not a mask in sight.

The entire message is that everyone needs masks because even vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus. These people came in from all over the US, including at risk counties. So the fact it was held in a low case area is not relevant.

And the timing was brutally bad, just when schools are going back and we are trying to explain why vaccinations AND masks are important.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #97)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:32 PM

137. You hit on the exact issues with holding such an event. nt

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Response to Jon King (Reply #97)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 08:44 AM

152. The servants had to wear masks.

 

It was too hot for the guests to wear them.

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Response to Jon King (Reply #97)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:49 AM

189. This is false there were mass and people were checks for vaccinations and test. Why are we repeating

... right-wing bullshit here on DU??

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #189)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:29 PM

201. exactly. The staff wore them


Good chance they wore them.

The dignitaries were vaccinated for sure. They were required to. Besides, we need to see their faces.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 04:53 PM

99. There were

There were 15 Major League Baseball games yesterday with fully open stadiums and no mandatory mask policies.

An outdoor event for few hundred people on Martha's Vineyard does not even scratch the surface.

They bellyache like they always do. They just hate the guy. Stop granting them an opinion on this topic unless they can get their people to vaccinate and use masks where appropriate. Til then, they can stfu.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:23 PM

109. Hear, hear!! Good post.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:29 PM

112. I object to the nastiness of this attack on Obama and Newsome.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:32 PM

114. he lose your vote?

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:34 PM

116. I agree. n/t

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 05:55 PM

123. I would guess

A pretty high % of vaxxed people attended. Just a thought.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:02 PM

126. To paraphrase Jesse Jackson, Obama could walk on water and the RW would yell "Barack can't swim!"

If we didn't respond their stupid fits would run out of oxygen. I'm so tired of giving them the other team to endlessly fight.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:19 PM

131. "Why is this completely predictable chum thrown into the water?"

Indeed.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:21 PM

133. I wrote here when I first heard about a large birthday party.

Horrible idea, absolutely horrible idea. It is just tone deaf to have a large social gathering right now. I am glad that President Biden skipped the party.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #133)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 12:54 PM

160. You bring up a good point.

I wonder how many people here who think there was nothing wrong with the birthday party would have wanted President Biden to attend? I realize that now that it's over it would be easy for them to say they would have been good with it. I'm so glad he skipped it too.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:23 PM

134. does Martha's Vineyard have a mask mandate?

what rules were broken?

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 06:37 PM

139. Sounds most benign and the unsupported "hurts us" is simply another bumpersticker

 

"Sigh. This was totally foreseeable."

Absolutely. But I'm certain we're pointing our little finger's at two different things.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #139)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:26 PM

142. It's almost like criticism of Obama's party is the worst thing the big bad right can find.....

....for which to criticize him or Democrats.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:42 PM

143. I agree. Strange thing to do and uncharacteristically tone death.

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Response to tman (Reply #143)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:56 AM

193. How is following the rules to tone death?

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:43 PM

144. Meh

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:32 AM

149. "I know we don't like to call out our own"

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Response to betsuni (Reply #149)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:36 AM

197. Lol! nt

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:41 AM

150. Obama was not only meeting guidelines, he was exceeding them.

Guests were vaccinated people tested beforehand. In this instance, the right can collectively fuck itself. They don't make noise when thousands of unvaccinated dimwits gather to worship the cult leader after all.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 09:59 AM

156. Your concern is noted.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 02:04 PM

161. I'm really mad

that I didn't get an invitation! Must have been lost in the damn mail!

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 05:42 PM

163. Well shoot! I was hoping to see pictures!!

Beautiful, brilliant, loving people all vaccinated and all gathered together to celebrate the birthday of Obama. I bet it was a lovely party!

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Aug 10, 2021, 07:39 PM

167. 60 birthdays. 2 terms. 0 Impeachments. 10/10 @BarackObama

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 12:00 AM

174. Yes, it was a bad idea and so unnecessary. He could have made a big deal out of cancelling it.

 

That would have been more helpful in these times. i really thought he and Michelle would have known better.

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Response to joetheman (Reply #174)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:52 AM

192. Following the rules is never a bad idea Obama did with his party but

.... DU is still concerned about pleasing the right and not giving them ammunition that they just won't make up out of thin air

Fuck them

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:09 AM

176. yes, it was STUPID

so are the APOLOGISTS......UGH

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Response to Skittles (Reply #176)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:28 AM

181. I'm getting flak about it... I knew I would.

I don't defend it. I don't believe in double standards.

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #181)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 02:46 AM

182. I don't either

I've gone my entire life without a birthday party and cannot understand the need to hold one with hundreds of people during a pandemic....inexcusable.

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Response to StarryNite (Reply #181)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 09:03 PM

203. It's unreal with the Dijon mustard and tan suit jokes

I thought the pandemic was a serious issue, but I guess it's not really. Dumb me.

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Response to Skittles (Reply #176)

Wed Aug 11, 2021, 03:51 AM

191. Obama follows the rules and it was still stupid?

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Sat Aug 14, 2021, 11:09 PM

204. For this thread

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Aug 16, 2021, 11:49 AM

207. This event was not a super spreader event in the real world

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