COVID Kills 4 Teachers in One Day in Same Florida School District

[babylonsister]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-kills-4-teachers-in-one-day-in-broward-county-school-district?ref=home

COVID Kills 4 Teachers in One Day in Same Florida School District
CLASSROOM CALAMITY
Blake Montgomery, Reporter/Editor
Published Aug. 12, 2021 10:53PM ET

Four Florida teachers working in the same school district died of COVID-19 within one day of each other this week. “Within a 24-hour span, we had an assistant teacher pass away, a teacher at her school pass away, an elementary teacher pass away, and another teacher at a high school,” Broward Teachers Union President Anna Fusco told CBS. Fusco said three of the teachers were unvaccinated and that the vaccination status of the fourth was unknown. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis has forbidden school districts in the state from requiring students and teachers to get vaccinated or wear masks to school, but the Broward County School Board voted Wednesday to defy the mandate and institute a mask mandate.

[OrlandoDem2]

1. So the school board is right and the governor is wrong

[COL Mustard]

20. And The Teachers Were Wrong

And their wrongness cost them their lives. At least that’s the case for the three unvaccinated ones.

Again, no sympathy for them. They had the chance to be vaccinated but didn’t. No toys or pears.

[OrlandoDem2]

23. I don't disagree. I am a teacher and I support mandatory vaccines for us unless

health or documented religious beliefs would preclude a jab.

[ananda]

29. Disagree about religious beliefs.

No exceptions except health.

[Effete Snob]

31. There is no need for a "religious belief" exception

We don't let Seventh Day Adventists abuse their children by withholding medical treatment, either.

The "religious belief" exception is bullshit and is not Constitutionally required.

[hardluck]

37. Required by Title VII

[Effete Snob]

38. Nope

We take kids away from parents who don't provide required medical treatment on "religious grounds" all the time in this country.

As confirmed LAST WEEK by the 7th Circuit in Klaassen v. The Trustees of Indiana University, Jacobsen v. US is still good law.

I'll take the word of a US Circuit Court of Appeals from last week over some rando on the internet. From the decision:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca7/21-2326/21-2326-2021-08-02.html

Given Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), which holds that a state may require all members of the public to be vaccinated against smallpox, there can't be a constitutional problem with vaccination against SARS-CoV-2. Plaintiffs assert that the rational-basis standard used in Jacobson does not offer enough protection for their interests and that courts should not be as deferential to the decisions of public bodies as Jacobson was, but a court of appeals must apply the law established by the Supreme Court.

[...]

And this case is easier than Jacobson for the University, for two reasons.

First, Jacobson sustained a vaccination requirement that lacked exceptions for adults. See 197 U.S. at 30. But Indiana University has exceptions for persons who declare vaccination incompatible with their religious beliefs and persons for whom vaccination is medically contraindicated. The problems that may arise when a state refuses to make accommodations therefore are not present in this case.

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In other words, in dismissing the appeal by the IU students, the Circuit Court basically said, "Religious objections? The state can require EVERYONE to get the vaccine. If there is a religious exemption, that's fine, but it is not required under controlling precedent."

No, sorry, this "religious exemption" from medical treatment has been played again and again. If someone's kid needs a blood transfusion, that kid is getting the transfusion and the Jehovah Witness parents go to jail.

[Effete Snob]

40. We lock up religious people like that all of the time

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/ella-foster-faith-healing-death/29977/

A Pennsylvania couple who told police their faith forbids any kind of medical treatment were charged Wednesday in the pneumonia death of their 2-year-old daughter, becoming the latest members of their sect to be prosecuted for failing to take a dying child to a doctor.

Jonathan and Grace Foster attributed the Nov. 8 death of their daughter, Ella Grace Foster, to "God's will," according to a police affidavit.

They were charged with involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/religious-parents-refuse-medical-care-baby-dies-oregon

These Parents Didn’t Seek Medical Help For Their Dying Baby Because Of Their Religious Beliefs

Sarah and Travis Mitchell of Oregon were sentenced to more than six years in prison for refusing to seek medical help for their premature twin baby, resulting in her death.

https://time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/

“You’ve killed two of your children…not God, not your church, not religious devotion — you,” Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner told the couple, as he sentenced them to between three and a half and seven years behind bars. The Schaibles pled no contest to third-degree murder in their eight-month-old son Brandon’s death last year from pneumonia.


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I am done with people who are okay with killing children for "religious reasons".

[ShazzieB]

41. It depends on what state they're in, sad to say.

Some states have shockingly lax laws about things like this.

[Effete Snob]

43. Yes, but

If the question is “can a state require vaccination” the answer is yes, period.

[calimary]

36. Mandatory vaccines should be mandatory across the board.

No “religious exemptions.”

You refuse to get vaccinated because your RELIGION’s against it????????? WTF???? Is rejecting a LIFE-SAVING vaccine some sort of new-and-improved “pro-life” positioning or something?

I find that whole “religious argument” against getting vaccinated, when there’s a killer disease spreading and mutating like wildfire, quite incomprehensible.

[Effete Snob]

39. These kinds of "religious objections to medical treatment" lose in court all of the time

Go to jail, go directly to jail:

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/ella-foster-faith-healing-death/29977/

A Pennsylvania couple who told police their faith forbids any kind of medical treatment were charged Wednesday in the pneumonia death of their 2-year-old daughter, becoming the latest members of their sect to be prosecuted for failing to take a dying child to a doctor.

Jonathan and Grace Foster attributed the Nov. 8 death of their daughter, Ella Grace Foster, to "God's will," according to a police affidavit.

They were charged with involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment.

[ShazzieB]

42. And if they say, "But I don't belieeeeeeve in vaccines!"

Too bad. The answer to that is, "We're not requiring you to believe in the vaccine. We're requiring you to get the vaccine in order to associate with others who don't care whether you believe in vaccines or not."

[calimary]

47. Exactly.

This is not a debate.

And you’re not entitled to any wiggle room. This is about PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.

Objections neither considered nor sustained.

As the little fellow voiced by Nick Nolte in “The Mandalorian” would say in shutting down debate and other commentary: “I have spoken.”

[calimary]

48. I reread your post and suffice it to say a good post just got even better.

A BIG

[Lovie777]

2. .....................................

[twodogsbarking]

3. I am not yet surprised what COVID has done.

It was mostly predicted based on other pandemics. Science.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Results of vaccination

Outbreaks occurred regularly in the United States through the 1950s, with two major polio outbreaks in 1916 and in 1952. Of the 57,628 reported cases in 1952, there were 3,145 deaths.

In 1955, Dr. Jonas Salk’s vaccine was approved. It was quickly adopted throughout the world. By 1962, the average number of cases dropped to 910. The CDC reports that the United States has been polio-free since 1979.

At 3000 per year, it would take two centuries to equal one year of tRump's Covid deaths.

[Botany]

5. I am willing to bet that the 4th teacher was unvaccinated too

All of those teachers would be alive today if they had gotten their vaccinations.

[malaise]

6. Thanks DeathSentence

That is all

[Jon King]

14. School hasn't even started there.

I hate Desantis too....but this was on these people. Adults who choose not to get vaccinated when the shot has been available for months for free.

School does not even begin until next week in that county.

[malaise]

16. The Slobfather and his tools set the tone from last year

but these adults are also to blame

[Haggard Celine]

7. I don't understand why all these teachers and nurses

aren't getting vaccinated. You would think that of all people, they would know better. I'm wondering how much worse things are going to get here in the South, and what we are going to do if we have a major hurricane. These incompetent fucking governors we have down here obviously can't handle a disaster. It would be an enormous challenge for FEMA.

[Cosmocat]

18. I am assuming it is a reasonably small number, but

I know/know of a good amount of nurses who are intense anti vac/mask.

I don't get it, but they definitely exist.

[Shermann]

30. Anti-mask nurse?

That's like being an anti-wrench plumber or an anti-spatula cook.

[tanyev]

32. Because freedom!

[ProfessorGAC]

45. If It Cheers You Up A Bit....

...one of the districts in which I sub has, unconfirmed, 100% of staff vaxxed.
I didn't get that from admin, but from a 3rd grade teacher there that works summers at our golf course.
Because 80% went on one day, and everybody else a couple days later, they would know who never went.
Like I said, admin is neither confirming or refuting, but I believe she would know enough about who got the shot.
She's saying everybody, except (suspected) a janitor who retired and 2 lunchroom workers who quit.
The other 13 districts? I have no inside info.

[Haggard Celine]

46. That's great, and it is nice to hear!

Maybe the press needs to talk more about people who are doing it right rather than those who refuse to protect themselves. Of course, the press seems to gravitate toward the negative aspects of life.

[gordianot]

8. Participants and winners in the Republican death lottery.

At least they chose their outcome and won the prize. Under the age of 12 you have no choice.

[70sEraVet]

9. Minors 12 and over also don't have any choice, if they live in a state

that requires parental consent.

[70sEraVet]

10. Most states DO require parental consent.

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/state-parental-consent-laws-for-covid-19-vaccination/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

[benny_we]

11. Wow, it's terrible.

Wow, it's terrible.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Welcome to DU, benny_we. . . . nt

[MustLoveBeagles]

44. Welcome to DU

[Jon King]

12. School in Broward County does not even open until August 18th....

These teachers would have died due to not getting vaccinated as a bad personal choice, not due to their work as teachers.

[70sEraVet]

15. Summer school? Meetings?

[Lonestarblue]

17. While Covid is the underlying cause, it is Republican politics that is killing people.

Correlation is not always causation, but it is fact that white Republicans are the ones remaining unvaccinated and are being hospitalized, and dying, from Covid at far greater numbers than any other group. Their politics is a large part of why they refuse the vaccine. I feel sorry for their children who could be vaccinated but most likely aren’t who now must risk getting sick, and possibly dying, because they have parents who care more for their political allegiance than for their children’s health.

[weissmam]

19. the 4th teacher

was unvaccinated , of course

welcome to stupidvile

[gab13by13]

21. Whatever agency is in charge of approving the vaccines

needs to get on the ball and do it. I think because vaccines are still under "emergency use" is why president Biden is hesitant to do more vaccine mandates. I could be wrong but I heard that's why the defense department is waiting.

[Tarc]

22. Delta will be the Trumpkin remover

I'm not sorry about this at all, I'm too tired to care anymore about the unvaxxers.

[Python boot]

24. GQP wants vax program to fail

Listened to Dr. Eric Topol on a podcast, he is pushing for a third dose. Another study showed that Delta has a viral load that is a thousand times more than covid 19 and Delta can infect after one second of contact, while covid 19 takes 15 minutes. The treasonous repugs bought and owned by Putin are trying to destroy public education in their states by fighting simple inexpensive and effective efforts like masks because they want to see a flight from public schools. The GQP wants to see President Biden so they oppose vaccinations. We need to vaccinate the rest of the world, otherwise more potent variants will emerge. Thanks to the GQP, we are not getting anywhere.

[McKim]

25. Good to think at this Policy Level!

It is good to think at this policy level about the basic goals of the GOP Far Right. They don't care how many they kill, as long as its not THEM to achieve the evil goals of destroying Public Education and Faith in Government to solve problems.

[Botany]

27. The republicans think for some reason they can use the disease for their benefit.

Gov. DeSantis is knowingly helping to spread the disease and death from the C-19 virus. He knows that masks, vaccines, and social distancing work in our battle against this disease but he continues to work against those things. DeSantis is not stupid. He went to Yale
as an undergrad and then went on to get his J.D. from Harvard Law. For some reason he has made the brutal political calculus that having the disease around is good for his career and for republicans too. The man is evil.

However I'm willing to bet that the 4 teachers who died were all "good Christians" who believed in something that
can not be proven and that is called faith but refused to believe in science which is something that is based in
having solid repeatable proof.

[NNadir]

28. I have no idea why Dr. Eric Topol has declared himself a virology expert.

I covered this elsewhere, apparently this guy's becoming some kind of meme:

In general, the media's job no longer to provide information, but rather to sell advertising.

This requires the use of click bait in internet times.

It is reasonable to ask who exactly "Eric Topol" is, and what is his area of expertise?

I did this, since I never heard of him, by entering his name in Google Scholar and looking at his most recent publications. He's done a lot of work on telemedicine.

While some of his primary papers in the last year relate to Covid, many do not. Opening a few of them leads me to suspect that he is not the world expert in virology.

There is lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of papers published on the subject of the Delta variant, and his remarks do not strike me, even remotely, as consistent with what I read in broader scientific publications.

As for the Nymag reporter, and his choice of whom to designate as the absolute authority, I stand by my claim that one can usually not get a degree in journalism of one has passed a college level science course with a grade of C or better.

Dr. Topol may be a fine scientist, but he is certainly not the only scientist on the planet studying Covid-19, by a long stretch.

If one searches "Delta variant" and BNT162b2 one can see hundreds of papers. The one that comes up for me "Since 2021," is this one from the New England Journal of Medicine, published a week or so ago: Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant

It's a little less panicked than Dr. Topol, with all due respect.

This guy seems to be on some kind of fame trip, acquiring it by generating panic.

He's out of his league though and is not a major health expert.

[Delphinus]

35. Thank you

We need the cool heads to prevail.

[Efilroft Sul]

26. Republican governance, such as it is, should now be considered a comorbidity.

[Lemon Lyman]

33. Jesus

How awful.

I'm sure this will get as much attention as benghazi though, right??

[NH Ethylene]

34. Omitted: The fact that they were on summer break when this happened

So it has nothing to do with the school district or De Santis policies and everything to do with personal choices to not vaccinate.