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orangecrush

(19,719 posts)
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:22 PM Aug 2021

Poll - Will Afghanistan be a campaign issue in 2024?



Remembering Benghazi, my feeling is that they will use it whether it is or not.

The real question is, will anyone besides the looney GOP base see it as one.

I read that Joe was questioning his cabinet, asking how this situation could have deteriorated so quickly.

I hope he finds answers, and if there were Trump holdouts/sympathizers involved in State, the military, or anywhere else, he cuts the crap and throws them out hard on their ass.

I remember like it was yesterday April, 1975. The remnants of the South Vietnamese army, regardless of what is said, fought hard and bravely, buying time for an ill planned evacuation of Saigon.

The Afghan Army folded like wet tissue paper.

There is much more going on here than meets the eye.

Bill Clinton had the heads of commanders who bungled during the battle of Mogadishu.

Perhaps ending a few military careers will send a message that this sort of ratfuckery will not be tolerated.
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Yes, will be campaign issue
16 (41%)
No, will not be campaign issue
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Poll - Will Afghanistan be a campaign issue in 2024? (Original Post) orangecrush Aug 2021 OP
I think they will scream about it Bettie Aug 2021 #1
The Trump embeds are deep. Just wonder if there was anything going on to make Biden look joetheman Aug 2021 #39
Benghazi on steroids GPV Aug 2021 #2
But Obama still won. Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #20
Because Hillary took the blame ansible Aug 2021 #34
I think it will, but by then the situation will probably have calmed down a lot. MoonRiver Aug 2021 #3
I hope you're right orangecrush Aug 2021 #4
3.5 years is a lifetime in politics. PLUS its what Americans wanted onetexan Aug 2021 #21
Only if Republicans take over the House in 2022. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2021 #5
Ding Ding Ding exboyfil Aug 2021 #8
+1 Hugin Aug 2021 #26
But what will their angle be? Mad_Machine76 Aug 2021 #37
Afghanistan rso Aug 2021 #6
It shouldn't be at all. a kennedy Aug 2021 #7
Maybe - but did TFG get hit with Syria withdrawal and abandoning the Kurds? haele Aug 2021 #9
Maybe he did. TFG did lose, after all. bluewater Aug 2021 #10
Don't remember it being a campaign issue. haele Aug 2021 #11
Covid cost Trump tbe presidency...his bungling of it. The GOP went to the mat with Benghazi Demsrule86 Aug 2021 #22
No, people took revenge on him for his COVID genocide. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #15
Scared to answer honestly greenjar_01 Aug 2021 #12
It won't be an important issue. BlueCheeseAgain Aug 2021 #13
WHEN are Dems going to start investigations into the Jan. 6th insurrection started by tRump? LenaBaby61 Aug 2021 #14
Jan 6th, 2025. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #16
Jan 6th, 2025. LenaBaby61 Aug 2021 #19
We have to keep pointing out that this was Trump's deal (and Junior Bush's creation) lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #24
We have to keep pointing out that this was Trump's deal (and Junior Bush's creation). LenaBaby61 Aug 2021 #38
I doubt it. Elessar Zappa Aug 2021 #17
no, but R's will call democrats soft because that is what they do RANDYWILDMAN Aug 2021 #18
It will be because Republicans have nothing else. Democrats need to remind them Vinca Aug 2021 #23
People will forget this shit in a few months Thrill Aug 2021 #25
2024, Afghanistan, what's Afghanistan? marie999 Aug 2021 #27
Yes, but not a very effective one. Happy Hoosier Aug 2021 #28
The GQP is desperate to find something, anything to use against President Biden. BlueIdaho Aug 2021 #29
It's entirely too early to tell inwiththenew Aug 2021 #30
the economy will be bigger issue Demovictory9 Aug 2021 #31
I say it depends forthemiddle Aug 2021 #32
No, I don't expect the Republican nominee to be a neo-con Polybius Aug 2021 #33
Not sure yet. Republicans would like to turn it into Benghazi, of course. GoodRaisin Aug 2021 #35
This goes beyond Biden, Afghanistan will be an issue for decades to come ansible Aug 2021 #36

Bettie

(16,181 posts)
1. I think they will scream about it
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:23 PM
Aug 2021

but in the end, it will be more about the economy and how we're all doing then, rather than Afghanistan.

 

joetheman

(1,450 posts)
39. The Trump embeds are deep. Just wonder if there was anything going on to make Biden look
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 03:57 PM
Aug 2021

bad from the inside? A I heard a lot of some vets and some active duty sliming him over the past several months. Of course the greatest inside job was the surrender of the Afghan military without a whimper. We really should have expected this after years of many of them turning on us and joining the other side.

Just wondering why the weapons turnover went so smoothly? Did we even try to stop it? I know the MIC is chomping at their bits to want to replace all those weapons and give them to our next enemy.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
3. I think it will, but by then the situation will probably have calmed down a lot.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:24 PM
Aug 2021

Americans overwhelmingly wanted out of there, and that's not going to change.

onetexan

(13,100 posts)
21. 3.5 years is a lifetime in politics. PLUS its what Americans wanted
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:38 AM
Aug 2021

For troops pullout of afghanistan. And americans overwhelmingly approve of biden's infrastructure plan.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,950 posts)
5. Only if Republicans take over the House in 2022.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:27 PM
Aug 2021

Then they'll run the Afghanzi playbook. Hell, they will probably even start an impeachment drive in the lead up to 2024.

exboyfil

(17,872 posts)
8. Ding Ding Ding
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:41 PM
Aug 2021

We have a winner. The damage will be much greater if the Republicans control either house of Congress. This will allow them to do their dog and pony show.

Mad_Machine76

(24,474 posts)
37. But what will their angle be?
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:15 PM
Aug 2021

People want out of Afghanistan and don’t want us to stay
Republicans have no alternative other than making Afghanistan a perpetual client state
Biden and Democrats want to get as many people out as possible
Republicans mostly don’t want a flood of refugees here.
No American troops or officials have died.

rso

(2,285 posts)
6. Afghanistan
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:28 PM
Aug 2021

It rethugs make it an issue, there is plenty that democrats can counter with regarding Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban, the freeing of a top Taliban leader in 2018 etc..It’s very telling that the RNC website last week unceremoniously deleted its previously glowing references to Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban.

haele

(12,724 posts)
9. Maybe - but did TFG get hit with Syria withdrawal and abandoning the Kurds?
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:48 PM
Aug 2021

By 2024, it will be behind most voters, even GOP - so long as no American gets killed in the withdrawal.
No US body count from this; no outrage. We didn't go there to get rid of the Taliban, after all. With Bin Laden dead, there's no more "vengeance" to to feed the masses, just a general discomfort with the way it was handled.
A lot will depend on how Taliban 2.0 present themselves to the world. Since they seem to want to appear legit, their worst fundamentalist excesses will be confined to the tribal areas - out of sight.
For now, they appear to want to be seen as no more crazy strict than, say, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.


Haele

haele

(12,724 posts)
11. Don't remember it being a campaign issue.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:53 PM
Aug 2021

Some people may have personally been swayed by it, but it was just a drop in the cesspool that was TFG. The public wanted out of Syria at the time, also.

Haele

Demsrule86

(68,979 posts)
22. Covid cost Trump tbe presidency...his bungling of it. The GOP went to the mat with Benghazi
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:40 AM
Aug 2021

with constant house hearings. They still lost. Foreign policy rarely is a big issue. The only time I ever remember that it happened was after 2001.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
13. It won't be an important issue.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 03:55 PM
Aug 2021

For better or worse, Americans don't really care that much about Afghanistan. If American lives are lost, maybe.

LenaBaby61

(6,982 posts)
19. Jan 6th, 2025.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:29 AM
Aug 2021

I have friends in two camps.

One camp of friends say that Dems need to wait until this Afghanistan stuff dies down, but other friends say that the GQP won't let this Afghanistan 'thing' die down and are hopeful that they can get as far away from Jan. 6th as they can--change direction as far away from the insurrection/sedition on Capital Hill that racist, election-stealing tReasonous tRump and his fellow racist, election-stealing crazy cult lovers caused.

LenaBaby61

(6,982 posts)
38. We have to keep pointing out that this was Trump's deal (and Junior Bush's creation).
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 03:45 PM
Aug 2021

Agree totally with you. Dems have to come HARD with what they find out or possibly even know NOW.

A friend called me this morning and reminded me that the Congress is in recess, which is why we've heard nothing from them on all of these matters happening now. There's SO much going on in the world that I forgot about the August recess for Congress

I do hope that when they do come back from recess, they talk about tRump's roll in all of this, because when he made that deal with the Taliban, he also closed down 10 or so airbases, made it possible for the Afghan army to not be paid or fed. In other words, tRump set Biden up for failure. Dems have to show that he did just that if they have the evidence to back that up.

Elessar Zappa

(14,188 posts)
17. I doubt it.
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:24 PM
Aug 2021

Most Americans are past the point of caring about Afghanistan. No doubt the GOP will try to make it an issue but I doubt it’ll be successful.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,691 posts)
18. no, but R's will call democrats soft because that is what they do
Tue Aug 17, 2021, 04:27 PM
Aug 2021

Thoughtful warfare that considers soldiers and not expending resources we don't have, what

Vinca

(50,360 posts)
23. It will be because Republicans have nothing else. Democrats need to remind them
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 07:44 AM
Aug 2021

(often and loudly) that the deal was cut with the Taliban by Trump and Biden only managed to delay it for a few months. The GOP will also beat the drum about Covid even though it's their followers causing the pandemic to continue. It's inevitable. Democrats need to break out of their instinctive kumbayah, let's strive-for-bipartisanship mode and tell it like it is.

Thrill

(19,178 posts)
25. People will forget this shit in a few months
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 09:21 AM
Aug 2021

Especially if things calm down over there

They can’t pretend to give a shit about Afghanistan

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
29. The GQP is desperate to find something, anything to use against President Biden.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 10:37 AM
Aug 2021

So far they are shooting blanks. This will all be resolved soon, but they will still try to beat a dead horse.

inwiththenew

(973 posts)
30. It's entirely too early to tell
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 10:49 AM
Aug 2021

We'll have to see what the broader geo-political fallout of the US exit is before we can say. If it's limited to just the what we've witnessed in the past week, then probably not. If it spills over and expand beyond Afghanistan then it very well could be.

Remember that in Iraq that spilled over into Syria, Egypt, and Libya after we left. Then you had ISIS taking over large swaths of land in Iraq before they were beaten back. So my answer would be there is no way to know if this is going to be an issue until we have a better idea of how this will unfold.

forthemiddle

(1,385 posts)
32. I say it depends
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 10:50 AM
Aug 2021

If there is a major terrorist attack, in this country, that can be traced back to the Taliban, or worse yet, to the weapons we left there, then yes, it will be!
On the other hand, if things calm down, and miracles of all miracles, the Taliban actually let women live relatively peacefully, then I see it as a political issue that Biden can use.

Polybius

(15,592 posts)
33. No, I don't expect the Republican nominee to be a neo-con
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 11:49 AM
Aug 2021

But, if it's Rubio, then yeah he'll bring it up and get trounced in the election.

GoodRaisin

(8,945 posts)
35. Not sure yet. Republicans would like to turn it into Benghazi, of course.
Wed Aug 18, 2021, 12:10 PM
Aug 2021

There's still a lot of information yet to come out about the withdrawal. And, the withdrawal is still underway, meaning a lot can still happen. I just don't know if Republicans can keep fanning the flames long enough for this issue to remain in the national nightly news. If not, it won't be a significant issue.

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