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It only took 2 days once she realized she was sick. She decided against the vent. It has been a couple days since she died. Her son in law called me today. I had left message earlier in the week concerned since my friend no answer 2 days.
This lady was careful. Double mask when out. Vaxx. No eat out. No gatherings indoors. The family all thought they were safe and had an outdoor picnic. Great grandson napped in her arms awhile during. When she came down sick they all tested. It is thought dad brought it home from work and the boy passed it to grandma. All kids in that family tested positive. All over 12 vaxxed.
They let the guard down outside and unmasked enjoyed family. Her son in law said she told her daughter no regrets.
I post this because school is starting everywhere. Just like regular flu season, kids tend to be the spread point. Please keep your family safe. Mask up with family. Go back to throwing a sheet over grandparents for hugs. If you don't live in the same house mind the masking.
I know the stats all over say a lot, but this is a personal story illustrating. Please be safe.
Editing to add. Some are taking this post as an anti vax post. It is not. GET VAXXED. Also MASK. Also keep a distance. Also wash your hands. Use all the tools available. LIVE. Live your life. Just be mindful. It is too soon to let the guard down.
I will say again. GET VAXXED. It is the best tool in the drawer.
elleng
(131,144 posts)All kids in that family tested positive. All over 12 vaxxed.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)They will get tested every 3 days to keep an eye on it. The toddler and a 5 yr old are too young for vax. 5 yr old has been taught how to keep the mask on. The 3 yr old is 50/ 50 but getting there.
I have met them. Good people going through this because too many people in USA are assholes.
Tiger8
(432 posts)Democrats must tie anti-vaxxers to the original source of the problem - REPUBLICANS!
Skittles
(153,202 posts)I wonder how many other people will get covid because of their picnic....people, please don't let your guard down, IT AIN'T OVER, in part because of activities like this.
Hekate
(90,834 posts)
crawl back into our cave and stop being with our careful but unvaxxed relatives.
I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend, KentuckyWoman.
At least until Groundhog Day (nice allusion if i do say so.)
my aunt has been in rural isolation from the beginning.
Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)You can't trust their judgment.
druidity33
(6,448 posts)Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)AZ8theist
(5,506 posts)Our small group of friends used to have a "game night" once every other month or so..So they scheduled one recently. My wife and I were about to go, until I found out a particular dumb couple were not vaxed. I texted the host stating I would not participate.
She texted me back, "BUT YOU'RE VAXXED"!!
Doesn't matter. I will not associate with fucking imbeciles who refuse the vaccine.
Haven't spoken to her since.
Scrivener7
(51,021 posts)pnwmom
(108,996 posts)talked him into getting the vaccine.
I'm not sure we could have.
wnylib
(21,620 posts)Unvaxxed but careful is just as bad or worse.
Kath2
(3,089 posts)My friend's sister recently died from Covid at 54. You cannot be too careful.
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)Double vaxxed. Both dead. One on vent; one died in her sleep at home after a mild case. 72 and 80 years old. Totally depressing.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)It's hard to predict how it's going to affect specific people.
Some people with all kinds of pre-existing conditions make it just fine, and some healthy ones die.
MaryMagdaline
(6,856 posts)is one indicator of how bad someone will do. These relatives both had diabetes and Ive heard the same from a friend who is an endocrinologist, ie, diabetes makes patients more susceptible to bad cases.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)she survived having covid-she had to go to the hospital though. She claims she couldn't get vaccinated because of her conditions.
janterry
(4,429 posts)people with type 1 diabetes had 3.5 times the odds of dying in the hospital with COVID-19. Similarly, individuals with type 2 diabetes had 2.03 times the odds of dying in the hospital with COVID-19.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/diabetes-and-covid-19-in-hospital-mortality-rates#Diabetes-and-COVID-19
MyMission
(1,850 posts)For both ends of the spectrum, with different outcomes.
The elderly, or older population, often has a reduced immune response due to age. And they have more (preexisting) illnesses and conditions that can often lead to complications.
It strikes me that it's the same as the first round of covid, except the vaccines boost their immune response so they are able to fight it. But with Delta and time and relaxed precautions they are among those who require hospitalization for a post-vaccine infection. And while some die, many do recover, as compared with the unvaccinated.
The younger people, school age kids who can't be vaccinated, teens and young adults who are unvaccinated are at a higher risk to catch, spread, sicken and die from covid delta. Again, all the risk factors during the first round still exist. These younger populations are now the target, and any with preexisting or latent conditions are especially at risk.
I found this article about risk factors. Vaccines aren't discussed until the end. I think they could have stressed the importance of the vaccine and needing to continue masking and taking precautions more strongly. Here are a few snips...
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-who-is-at-risk/art-20483301
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) symptoms can vary widely. Some people have no symptoms at all, while others become so sick that they eventually need mechanical assistance to breathe.
The risk of developing dangerous symptoms of COVID-19 may be increased in people who are older and also in people of any age who have other serious health problems such as heart or lung conditions, weakened immune systems, obesity, or diabetes. This is similar to what is seen with other respiratory illnesses, such as influenza.
While each of these factors can increase the risk of severe COVID-19 symptoms, people who have several of these other health problems are at even higher risk....
...Protect yourself; prevent unnecessary risk
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has given emergency use authorization to some COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S. A vaccine can prevent you from getting the COVID-19 virus or prevent you from becoming seriously ill if you get the COVID-19 virus. Also, if youve been fully vaccinated, you can start doing many things you may not have been able to do because of the pandemic including not wearing a mask or social distancing except where required by a rule or law. However, if you are in an area with a high number of new COVID-19 cases in the last week, the CDC recommends wearing a mask indoors in public. If you are fully vaccinated and have a condition or are taking medications that weaken your immune system, you may need to keep wearing a mask.
My comment, last line should've said should continue to wear a mask and take precautions.
Having a condition like diabetes puts one at a higher risk, and MD's should be advocating more to follow a protocol of guidelines rather than only when mandated by law. Of course they're figuring this out as they go, but should err on the side of caution, advise people to do the same
BigmanPigman
(51,635 posts)tanyev
(42,623 posts)Summer of 2020 a family friend, well into his 80s, fell in his room at his assisted living facility. They tested him for Covid and he tested positive so they took him to the hospital and he was admitted, probably because of his age, weight, and other health issues. But it never turned into anything serious and after a few days they shipped him back to his assisted living place. Hes still doing as fine as he ever was.
It seems like a roll of the dice but I guess eventually they will figure out the specific reason(s) why some people react very badly and some hardly at all.
albacore
(2,406 posts)...envision it laying there dreaming about what it can mutate into next. Which age group it can fuck over next.
This is a Capt. Trips wanna-be. (Steven King novel "The Stand".)
Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)Unwind Your Mind
(2,042 posts)And thats saying something
Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)Unwind Your Mind
(2,042 posts)I have it on my shelf, maybe I should read it again
I also have been meaning to read The Shining again and then Dr Sleep, have you read that one?
Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)All were very gripping. Will check out Dr. Sleep. Thanks!
AllyCat
(16,231 posts)Loved many others but that one had always been my favorite.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)And I have a lot of underlying conditions. I had thought that if I got it I would be a dead duck. But as it turned out I had a very mild case which was over in a few days and I have been fine ever since. But it should be noted that I don't think I had the Delta variant.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)His wife is in shock
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)Tetrachloride
(7,876 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)Many schools here dont even have a school nurse.
mgardener
(1,820 posts)wnylib
(21,620 posts)But I realize that being a school nurse these days would be especially hazardous.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)regular attendance in June.
Son (unvaxxed) had Covid the last two weeks; he seems to be recovering physically,, but having a hard time psychologically.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)The mental toll is hard.
Hope you can hang in there. Hope we all can.
Nay
(12,051 posts)membership again since school has started. I just can't see it not spreading everywhere once the littles start getting it.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)All public transportation, all events, all companies, all stores, all contractors who work in someone's house, all health care personnel, all teachers and school staff, all university students, no excuses.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)But we should require that they produce a note from a medical doctor to that effect.
Jon King
(1,910 posts)Too easy to get a doctor to write an excuse note, some doc always will do it. Even with the allergic shock they say its the same odds as getting struck by lightning.
No excuses, you do not get vaccinated, you can not participate in society.
yellowdogintexas
(22,274 posts)post chemo/radiation patients, organ transplant patients (immune system is zapped for transplant and chemo/radiation /bonemarrow
Hemophiliacs, Sickle Cell patients often need blood transfusion.
A lady who worked the March primary was emphatically ordered by her doctor not to get the vaccine because she has Lupus.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)I've been off the biologics for 2 years and things are relatively stable. But I did work with my doctor first before getting vaxxed. For that very reason. Introducing vaccines into a body with a haywire immune system can be tricky.
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)I got the vaccine and am getting the booster.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)https://www.eatthis.com/news-covid-vaccine-exceptions-cdc/
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)A member of my family has an undiagnosed illness they think could be anything from Lupus to allergies to lets guess what to look for next. They've been trying for 2 years to figure it out and eliminated a dozen things. She's got a whole team of doctors coordinating her care at this point ... putting their heads together. When all this came they told her vax if you can't be bubble girl. But would be better not to put one more thing in your immune system until we rule out all of that. So she does intend to vax, just not yet.
She's over 60. She's being crazy careful what she eats. Double masking everywhere, what few places she goes. Practically a hermit due to covid. Everyone in her house has to double mask and sit 12 feet away out on the porch for a visit. Her husband bought a camper so they can do a little travel, get her out. She was withering up. Bubble girl.
So CDC can say what they like, but in one instance I know of, her doctors disagree.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It's horrible.
janterry
(4,429 posts)cannot get vaccinated. It is not a significant number (so it's not published with general covid information), but those people do exist. I have a friend who is unable to get vaccinated at all (for anything) as are her children. She has had relatives die from ordinary vaccines.
It's uncommon. But it does happen.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)mentioned in the article.
But remember this is only an anecdote and statistics continue to show that vaccinated people are much less likely to suffer from serious illness or death.
Yes, fully vaccinated people should continue to be careful and follow all of the current guidelines. But I am afraid that stories like this will just give anti-vaxxers more ammunition. They will use this anecdote as another excuse not to get vaccinated. They will say that this shows that vaccinations don't work and therefore people should not get vaccinated. Of course that would be lie but they will say it anyway.
NH Ethylene
(30,817 posts)I've noticed a lot of that among health care and public health people these past few months and I think it feeds mistrust. If the vaccine 'hesitant' see that the information is presented even if it doesn't fit the narrative, they might be more likely to trust it.
Additionally, those of us who are vaccinated need to know that we have to be cautious; we could still die from a breakthrough infection.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)A lot of them are Trump zombies who won't care if the information is filtered or not. They won't get vaccinated period. But they will use articles like this one to try to justify not getting vaccinated.
And I already said that fully vaccinated people should continue to follow all guidelines.
Wednesdays
(17,412 posts)Rec.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)It is the best tool we have. It is not 100%. Fully vaxxed are getting sick now because too many unvaxxed. It isn't that the vax is not effective. You bet it is. The stats are obvious. 96% or more in the hospital with Delta are unvaxxed. My friend was unfortunately one of the 4%.
We still have to use all the tools in the toolbox. Vax is not magic. Surrounded by too man making excuses instead trips to get jabbed ... here we are.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)Far too many are treating vaccination as a magic shield and being careless, including a number on DU who see being cautious as coddling those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.
We need as many of these stories as are out there. Hearing them isn't going to change the mind of those who are opposed to vaccination, but they might change the minds of the cavalier vaccinated.
Aside from which, nothing good ever comes from hiding the truth.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)But it is also the truth that it is very rare that the the fully vaccinated get really sick or die. This is the message we need to get out. And I have already seen ant-vaxxers using stories like the OP to embellish their anti-vax rhetoric.
And I don't think that scare tactics like this work anyway. I suspect that I would have a better chance of getting injured or killed in an auto accident yet I don't see messages at DU warning people not to drive because it's too dangerous. And the best way to put this virus to bed for good is to get everybody vaccinated. Cowering in our homes and being too afraid to go out and live our lives because we are afraid of a rare breakthrough infection won't solve the problem.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)are "Cowering in our homes and being too afraid to go out and live our lives because we are afraid of a rare breakthrough infection won't solve the problem." It is the exact opposite.
First breakthrough infections are NOT rare. If you are in an area with 50-50 vaccination and 100 unvaccinated people contract COVID - about 20 vaccinated people will also catch COVID. (Based on the recent Mayo study, it could be as high as 60). That is NOT rare.
Second: The problem is that vaccinated people are pretending as if they cannot be infected, so they have stopped wearing masks (I was exposed that way on Saturday, as well as last week by two vaccinated people who knew they had been exposed but assumed the vaccine was magic; one of those tested positive and I spent hours assisting the contact tracer because the jerk said he had not been in close contact with anyone for more than 15 minutes (6 hours>15 minutes - he lied he was in close contact with at least a dozen people of unknown vaccination status unmasked for more than an hour, and masked for 6 hours, so I had to help sort out this vaccinated jerk's lies rather than doing the work that I needed to do).
When vaccinated people get cold symptoms they assume it is just a cold and don't wear masks - EVEN after known exposure (I was exposed that way on Saturday - and one of my coworkers is currently at home with a "cold" that turned out to be COVID). And finally, asymptomatic vaccinated people are still running around without masks, spreading COVID to others because they don't feel like tolerating a little inconvenience.
Vaccinated people need to understand that the Delta vaccine poses a serious risk, EVEN to vaccinated people, and to start act like responsible adults.
And, as for cowering in our homes - I've been teaching in person, spending between 80 and 100 hours in my office and in contact with students and for more than a year. I'm hardly cowering in my home - but I expect other people to act responsibly so that the calculated risks I am taking are reasonable risks - and are not multiplied by fools who are pretending that vaccines are magic.
I'm in no mood to tolerate nonsense this morning about how rare breakthrough infections are. If you believe that you are part of the problem.
I'm on my way home now because one of the Saturday exposures was full-on unmasked to someone who, two days later, is in the hosptal. I'm not about to intentionally expose others, even masked. We should all have that kind of respect.
totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)I said that the fully vaccinated are much less likely to get very ill or to die. Many studies have shown that. Do you have information to the contrary? And please don't give me your personal anecdotes. Anecdotes do not prove anything.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)"afraid of a rare breakthrough infection"
For one thing, data is just a collection of anecdotes.
I did not say the vaccinated were not much less likely to get very ill or die. I countered what you actually said, which was that breakthrough infections were rare. Read your post and stop accusing me of putting words in your mouth.
As for "much less likely to get very ill or die," that is an accurate statement. I have NEVER disputed that. What I have repeatedly disputed is that vaccinations mean that is is hunky dory to wander around without a mask. It doesn't. Even vaccinated people can contract COVID, they spread it equally to unvaccinated people for the first 5 days of infection, even if they are asymptomatic. People need to get over that mindset, and part of what they need to hear - since they obviously can't be bothered to act like responsible adults for the sake of others - is that there might also be personal conseunces. I personally know of people who have died, and who have long COVID from breakthrough cases. Vaccinated inividuals who are refusing to wear masks in public spaces need a wake-up call.
I am dealing with the very direct consequences of that mindset at the moment. It has cost me a considerable amount of time, and I may be quarantined for the first week I'm supposed to be teaching pending the results of testing due to exposure by a jerk who thought she was too special to have to wear a mask.
Wear the damn mask, and stop trying to convince people that COVID is always trivial, once you are vaccinated. It often is - but that is not always the case. And even if it is trivial for you, it may well not be trivial for the 0-11 year olds you give it to, or for the immune compromised people who can't build good immunity.
Random Boomer
(4,168 posts)Vaccinations are not a Get Out of Jail Free card, they are just another (but very powerful) layer of protection to be added to all the others.
yardwork
(61,712 posts)MFM008
(19,820 posts)and still died?
Whats the damn point?.
One why I never got the second vaccine, everyone vaccinated thinks they are invulnerable.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)She had a lot of other cardiac issues. And 7 months out from 2nd shot.
If we could have gotten enough to vaxx early on I don't believe we would still be in this mess.
The vaxx is the best chance we have
And she never thought she is invincible. No one I know does.
ProfessorGAC
(65,212 posts)The reason is obvious.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)You chances of not dying will improve dramatically if you are fully vaccinated.
Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)However effective two shots are, well, one shot is even worse.
Thtwudbeme
(7,737 posts)with them on. So, what's the point?
People still get the flu even with the flu shot. So, what's the point?
The shot is free, and it's not going to hurt you. What's the point of NOT getting it? It's 30 seconds of your time- more than you spent reading and responding to this thread.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)No drug or treatment are going to be 100% effective.
Just because somebody dies despite treatment (or vaccination) doesn't mean there is no point in being treated (or vaccinated).
vanlassie
(5,691 posts)MFM008
(19,820 posts)May have contributed to heart issues that got 1000
Times worse 2 days after i got it and continue to this day
6 months later.
vanlassie
(5,691 posts)But no science. You should get the vax. No doctor will tell you not to unless theyre a quack.
NH Ethylene
(30,817 posts)Because our protection is waning now due to time and the increased infectiousness of Delta.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Why didn't you get the second shot??? You are endangering yourself and everyone else.
The OP's friend had cardiac issues.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Do you have a good reason?
MFM008
(19,820 posts)Irregularities .
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Because if you catch COVID, you're in a lot of trouble.
MFM008
(19,820 posts)kind of reaction I would have to anything in advance?
Ive been given pills that have put me in the ER with an allergic reaction.
All I know is before the shot it I was ok- or better
now im disabled and debilitated.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Instead of saying silly things on an internet message board
MFM008
(19,820 posts)Drs.
Living like this isnt "silly", its a 24/ 7 battle.
Thanks for minimizing someone personal misery.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)After all, they're not 100% effective.
Seatbelts and vaccines have saved thousands and thousands of lives.
Not every single life. That's not how reality works. But we can't just pretend that a few outliers justify our own laziness or whatever excuses we are using.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)I mean, most of the time the other guy will stop.
Ohio Joe
(21,763 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,472 posts)patphil
(6,217 posts)My sister Nancy is 88, and was just diagnosed with cancer. My other sister lives nearby. So, my wife, daughter, and mI...all vaccinated went up to see them along with Nancy's children. All vaccinated. I felt it was important to see my sister.
Sometimes you just have to do it.
Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)NH Ethylene
(30,817 posts)I've read that half of those who go on the vent never come off it. But that was just one study. I'd like to know more about the outcomes of those who were vented for Covid.
KentuckyWoman
(6,697 posts)She had heart failure after repeat heart attacks. ..and had already decided one more, no heroic efforts.
For someone younger or in better shape, the choices will be different.
I hope you never have to choose.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)That is most probably a HUGE reason why she died.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)number of deaths of unvaxed folk...... kinda like a Right talking point
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)Her friend had severe cardio issues. ie heart failure.
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)The only 100% sure way to avoid is locking your self in a room and not coming out. There are going to be cases where someone does all the right things and still gets sick.
I am sorry to to read this so sad. Dont ever tell that young child that he may have killed his grandmother. It could potentially impact him for life. Also I dont think throwing a sheet over another in order to hug them works real well either.
Bluethroughu
(5,201 posts)This is absolutely scary, and we need to be so careful for longer and until.
Thank you for sharing the reminder this is real deadly.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)thank you for posting about it.
We are collectively being confronted with new words like efficacy, killer t-cells, N95, etc.
Stories like yours do not rely on this new vocabulary. It's a story similar to those told for generations to help people learn about how to stay safer. It will cut through like so many in the media won't. More stories like yours need to be told. Maybe it takes 5 or 10 before it clicks. We've certainly proven that saying it the different technical ways we have to date has had limited results.
Hopefully, her story will save some lives.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)No matter how good our precautions, being exposed to enough viral loading will infect anyone.
Once again, this horrible virus stabs us in the back. We all get vaccinated then learn we can carry and transmit the virus without hardly noticing anything's wrong.
So sorry you lost your friend........ .......
Rhiannon12866
(206,116 posts)She'd just had her 88th birthday and was fully vaccinated. She was also careful and her family does not know how or where she contracted it. She was a lifelong Democrat and also refused the vent.
The Blue Flower
(5,446 posts)I'm 72, very cautious, masking at the grocery store, isolating except for seeing my grandkids once a week. My thought at the beginning of the pandemic last year was that I'd outlast it if I was careful enough. No more. So my attitude now is to appreciate each day that I wake up able to breathe, to take the dog out for walks, to wave to my neighbors, and to talk to my loved ones on the phone. To be happy to be alive and functioning.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Most of this family will survive, thanks to the vaccines, but letting their guard down even a little bit can be deadly.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)Is 72 the total number? Because out of all those millions who are vaxxed, it's clear the vaccine is working as advertised. That won't help this family, of course.
And I'm getting the booster as soon as it's offered to me.
Texaswitchy
(2,962 posts)And getting booster shots.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Hopefully they are working on a Delta specific vaccine.