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KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:36 PM Aug 2021

72. Vaxxed. Now dead from covid.

It only took 2 days once she realized she was sick. She decided against the vent. It has been a couple days since she died. Her son in law called me today. I had left message earlier in the week concerned since my friend no answer 2 days.

This lady was careful. Double mask when out. Vaxx. No eat out. No gatherings indoors. The family all thought they were safe and had an outdoor picnic. Great grandson napped in her arms awhile during. When she came down sick they all tested. It is thought dad brought it home from work and the boy passed it to grandma. All kids in that family tested positive. All over 12 vaxxed.

They let the guard down outside and unmasked enjoyed family. Her son in law said she told her daughter no regrets.

I post this because school is starting everywhere. Just like regular flu season, kids tend to be the spread point. Please keep your family safe. Mask up with family. Go back to throwing a sheet over grandparents for hugs. If you don't live in the same house mind the masking.

I know the stats all over say a lot, but this is a personal story illustrating. Please be safe.

Editing to add. Some are taking this post as an anti vax post. It is not. GET VAXXED. Also MASK. Also keep a distance. Also wash your hands. Use all the tools available. LIVE. Live your life. Just be mindful. It is too soon to let the guard down.

I will say again. GET VAXXED. It is the best tool in the drawer.

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72. Vaxxed. Now dead from covid. (Original Post) KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 OP
;-( elleng Aug 2021 #1
None of them have even moderate symptoms KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #6
There must be consequences Tiger8 Aug 2021 #72
no regrets Skittles Aug 2021 #2
That is so frightening: we are 74 this year & having to decide all over again whether to ... Hekate Aug 2021 #3
yes. Tetrachloride Aug 2021 #9
There's no decision. There is no such thing as "careful but unvaxxed." Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #10
i took that to mean the children. nt. druidity33 Aug 2021 #12
Ah. But still, if you can avoid contact with even unvaxxed kids, now is the time to do it. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #14
Exactly. AZ8theist Aug 2021 #42
Seems like a lot of relationships are breaking up that way. Scrivener7 Aug 2021 #45
It's so frustrating to deal with people like that, I know. I was so grateful that a son's friend pnwmom Aug 2021 #25
Even vaxxed people can infect you and others. wnylib Aug 2021 #85
So sorry. Kath2 Aug 2021 #4
Two of my husband's relatives as well MaryMagdaline Aug 2021 #5
Covid is weird. LisaL Aug 2021 #7
True. My purely anecdotal observation is that diabetes MaryMagdaline Aug 2021 #13
I had an elderly un-vaccinated relative with diabetes and bunch of other conditions and LisaL Aug 2021 #16
diabetes is a HUGE risk factor janterry Aug 2021 #73
Age is also risk factor MyMission Aug 2021 #81
How true! That makes it even more scary. BigmanPigman Aug 2021 #15
So true. Hubby and I were talking about that this morning. tanyev Aug 2021 #18
Weird is one word for it. I swear this virus has a mind. I can.. albacore Aug 2021 #19
A timely read! Trashcan Man, Walking Dude, the descriptions make them real. Couldn't put it down. Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #38
King's best work imo Unwind Your Mind Aug 2021 #54
I think so too. Have you read "The Talisman"? Co-wrote with Peter Straub. very good Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #56
Yes but it's been a long time ago Unwind Your Mind Aug 2021 #64
Shining yes, Dr. Sleep no. I liked the Dark Side (very dark!) and Thinner. Tommyknockers also. Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #68
Love that book. First of his I ever read. AllyCat Aug 2021 #89
True. I caught Covid last December in spite of taking all recommended precautions. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #26
An acquaintance this morning, same story GusBob Aug 2021 #8
My best to you and the family of your acquaintance. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #55
School nurses are overwhelmed. Tetrachloride Aug 2021 #11
Texas has a solution for that. Sucha NastyWoman Aug 2021 #40
I am relieved I am a retired school nurse mgardener Aug 2021 #75
I am relieved that I am retired, period. wnylib Aug 2021 #86
I had to decide to stop going to Sunday Mass, after such joy went I was able to resume No Vested Interest Aug 2021 #17
Yeah, we had to pull it back too. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #27
I've been going to the gym for the past2 months, but I'm about to suspend my Nay Aug 2021 #90
Vaccine mandates must start tomorrow upon FDA approval. Jon King Aug 2021 #20
No, we should allow the excuse that they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #23
Nope, the CDC found no medical conditions that prevent vaccination. Jon King Aug 2021 #34
what about autoimmune conditions like Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis yellowdogintexas Aug 2021 #37
I have Rhuematoid. I could vax. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #59
I have psoriatic arthritis and vasculitis Maggiemayhem Aug 2021 #61
Totally untrue. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #48
Then the CDC is wrong. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #57
My wife is like that, only they've been trying for nearly 40 years. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #77
you do know that there are people who janterry Aug 2021 #74
I'm sorry to hear about the illness and deaths suffered by those fully vaccinated people totodeinhere Aug 2021 #21
I don't think we should filter info so as not to discourage vaccines. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #44
You are assuming that anti-vaxxers have any logic or reasoning skills. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #51
+1 Wednesdays Aug 2021 #50
To be clear ... GET THE VAX. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #60
The vaccinated need to hear stories like this. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #65
No, I would not want to hide the truth. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #84
The problem among vaccinated people isn't that they Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #91
Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that breakthrough infections are rare. totodeinhere Aug 2021 #92
You actually did. Re-read your post. Ms. Toad Aug 2021 #93
Yes, this! Random Boomer Aug 2021 #87
This is heartbreaking. yardwork Aug 2021 #22
are you saying she had had both vaccines? MFM008 Aug 2021 #24
Yes. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #29
Unrec ProfessorGAC Aug 2021 #31
It's not too late for you to go get your second dose. LisaL Aug 2021 #32
Why didnt you get the second shot? Blues Heron Aug 2021 #35
People say the same about seatbelts- People still die in wrecks Thtwudbeme Aug 2021 #36
Exactly. LisaL Aug 2021 #43
Did the first one harm you? What on earth are you on about? vanlassie Aug 2021 #41
The first one MFM008 Aug 2021 #94
Lots of exaggerations and may haves and why bothers vanlassie Aug 2021 #96
That's probably why the booster shot is coming out in September. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #46
Not getting the second shot means you didn't actually get vaccinated obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #69
That's no reason not to get the second shot wryter2000 Aug 2021 #79
Cardiac MFM008 Aug 2021 #95
Did your doctor tell you not to get it? wryter2000 Aug 2021 #97
no, how could he know what MFM008 Aug 2021 #98
You'd better talk to a doctor wryter2000 Aug 2021 #99
Ive seen multiple MFM008 Aug 2021 #100
I assume you don't wear seatbelts either? lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #80
Don't forget stop signs. Jakes Progress Aug 2021 #83
RIP Ohio Joe Aug 2021 #28
Sobering. Factor in our Deplorable idiots and we have a long road ahead. NoMoreRepugs Aug 2021 #30
I liked the no regrets part. It's sad, but there are situations where it's good to meet in person. patphil Aug 2021 #33
Very sad that despite the vigilance, one event of joyful reunion. Sorry for the loss of your friend. Evolve Dammit Aug 2021 #39
I see she declined the vent. I'm trying to decide if I should do the same if ever in that boat. NH Ethylene Aug 2021 #47
It is individual. KentuckyWoman Aug 2021 #49
You need to put her cardiac issues in your OP obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #70
Yet no comparison to Cryptoad Aug 2021 #52
Especially since the OP states later obamanut2012 Aug 2021 #71
Agreed. Snackshack Aug 2021 #53
I'm sorry you lost a friend, and her family is suffering. Bluethroughu Aug 2021 #58
I'm very sorry for your loss but Jarqui Aug 2021 #62
Thanks for sharing, KYW. I hope they never need to tell that child what happened. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2021 #63
I went to a family funeral last week, my Dad's cousin died of Covid. Rhiannon12866 Aug 2021 #66
This one hit me hard The Blue Flower Aug 2021 #67
Keep masking. No family get-togethers. No letting our guard down. lagomorph777 Aug 2021 #76
Very sad wryter2000 Aug 2021 #78
That is why we stay home. Texaswitchy Aug 2021 #82
This Delta variant is really scary fescuerescue Aug 2021 #88

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
6. None of them have even moderate symptoms
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:46 PM
Aug 2021

They will get tested every 3 days to keep an eye on it. The toddler and a 5 yr old are too young for vax. 5 yr old has been taught how to keep the mask on. The 3 yr old is 50/ 50 but getting there.

I have met them. Good people going through this because too many people in USA are assholes.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
72. There must be consequences
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 10:28 AM
Aug 2021

Democrats must tie anti-vaxxers to the original source of the problem - REPUBLICANS!

Skittles

(153,202 posts)
2. no regrets
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:39 PM
Aug 2021

I wonder how many other people will get covid because of their picnic....people, please don't let your guard down, IT AIN'T OVER, in part because of activities like this.

Hekate

(90,834 posts)
3. That is so frightening: we are 74 this year & having to decide all over again whether to ...
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:42 PM
Aug 2021

… crawl back into our cave and stop being with our “careful” but unvaxxed relatives.

I am so very sorry for the loss of your friend, KentuckyWoman.

Tetrachloride

(7,876 posts)
9. yes.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:52 PM
Aug 2021

At least until Groundhog Day (nice allusion if i do say so.)

my aunt has been in rural isolation from the beginning.

Scrivener7

(51,021 posts)
10. There's no decision. There is no such thing as "careful but unvaxxed."
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:52 PM
Aug 2021

You can't trust their judgment.

AZ8theist

(5,506 posts)
42. Exactly.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:55 PM
Aug 2021

Our small group of friends used to have a "game night" once every other month or so..So they scheduled one recently. My wife and I were about to go, until I found out a particular dumb couple were not vaxed. I texted the host stating I would not participate.

She texted me back, "BUT YOU'RE VAXXED"!!

Doesn't matter. I will not associate with fucking imbeciles who refuse the vaccine.

Haven't spoken to her since.

pnwmom

(108,996 posts)
25. It's so frustrating to deal with people like that, I know. I was so grateful that a son's friend
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:24 PM
Aug 2021

talked him into getting the vaccine.

I'm not sure we could have.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
5. Two of my husband's relatives as well
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:45 PM
Aug 2021

Double vaxxed. Both dead. One on vent; one died in her sleep at home after a mild case. 72 and 80 years old. Totally depressing.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
7. Covid is weird.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:48 PM
Aug 2021

It's hard to predict how it's going to affect specific people.
Some people with all kinds of pre-existing conditions make it just fine, and some healthy ones die.

MaryMagdaline

(6,856 posts)
13. True. My purely anecdotal observation is that diabetes
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:56 PM
Aug 2021

is one indicator of how bad someone will do. These relatives both had diabetes and I’ve heard the same from a friend who is an endocrinologist, ie, diabetes makes patients more susceptible to bad cases.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
16. I had an elderly un-vaccinated relative with diabetes and bunch of other conditions and
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 06:59 PM
Aug 2021

she survived having covid-she had to go to the hospital though. She claims she couldn't get vaccinated because of her conditions.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
73. diabetes is a HUGE risk factor
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 10:29 AM
Aug 2021

people with type 1 diabetes had 3.5 times the odds of dying in the hospital with COVID-19. Similarly, individuals with type 2 diabetes had 2.03 times the odds of dying in the hospital with COVID-19.

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/diabetes-and-covid-19-in-hospital-mortality-rates#Diabetes-and-COVID-19

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
81. Age is also risk factor
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 12:32 PM
Aug 2021

For both ends of the spectrum, with different outcomes.

The elderly, or older population, often has a reduced immune response due to age. And they have more (preexisting) illnesses and conditions that can often lead to complications.
It strikes me that it's the same as the first round of covid, except the vaccines boost their immune response so they are able to fight it. But with Delta and time and relaxed precautions they are among those who require hospitalization for a post-vaccine infection. And while some die, many do recover, as compared with the unvaccinated.

The younger people, school age kids who can't be vaccinated, teens and young adults who are unvaccinated are at a higher risk to catch, spread, sicken and die from covid delta. Again, all the risk factors during the first round still exist. These younger populations are now the target, and any with preexisting or latent conditions are especially at risk.

I found this article about risk factors. Vaccines aren't discussed until the end. I think they could have stressed the importance of the vaccine and needing to continue masking and taking precautions more strongly. Here are a few snips...

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-who-is-at-risk/art-20483301

Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) symptoms can vary widely. Some people have no symptoms at all, while others become so sick that they eventually need mechanical assistance to breathe.

The risk of developing dangerous symptoms of COVID-19 may be increased in people who are older and also in people of any age who have other serious health problems — such as heart or lung conditions, weakened immune systems, obesity, or diabetes. This is similar to what is seen with other respiratory illnesses, such as influenza.

While each of these factors can increase the risk of severe COVID-19 symptoms, people who have several of these other health problems are at even higher risk....

...Protect yourself; prevent unnecessary risk
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has given emergency use authorization to some COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S. A vaccine can prevent you from getting the COVID-19 virus or prevent you from becoming seriously ill if you get the COVID-19 virus. Also, if you’ve been fully vaccinated, you can start doing many things you may not have been able to do because of the pandemic — including not wearing a mask or social distancing — except where required by a rule or law. However, if you are in an area with a high number of new COVID-19 cases in the last week, the CDC recommends wearing a mask indoors in public. If you are fully vaccinated and have a condition or are taking medications that weaken your immune system, you may need to keep wearing a mask.

My comment, last line should've said should continue to wear a mask and take precautions.
Having a condition like diabetes puts one at a higher risk, and MD's should be advocating more to follow a protocol of guidelines rather than only when mandated by law. Of course they're figuring this out as they go, but should err on the side of caution, advise people to do the same

tanyev

(42,623 posts)
18. So true. Hubby and I were talking about that this morning.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:04 PM
Aug 2021

Summer of 2020 a family friend, well into his 80s, fell in his room at his assisted living facility. They tested him for Covid and he tested positive so they took him to the hospital and he was admitted, probably because of his age, weight, and other health issues. But it never turned into anything serious and after a few days they shipped him back to his assisted living place. He’s still doing as fine as he ever was.

It seems like a roll of the dice but I guess eventually they will figure out the specific reason(s) why some people react very badly and some hardly at all.

albacore

(2,406 posts)
19. Weird is one word for it. I swear this virus has a mind. I can..
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:08 PM
Aug 2021

...envision it laying there dreaming about what it can mutate into next. Which age group it can fuck over next.

This is a Capt. Trips wanna-be. (Steven King novel "The Stand".)

Unwind Your Mind

(2,042 posts)
64. Yes but it's been a long time ago
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:32 PM
Aug 2021

I have it on my shelf, maybe I should read it again

I also have been meaning to read The Shining again and then Dr Sleep, have you read that one?

Evolve Dammit

(16,778 posts)
68. Shining yes, Dr. Sleep no. I liked the Dark Side (very dark!) and Thinner. Tommyknockers also.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:33 AM
Aug 2021

All were very gripping. Will check out Dr. Sleep. Thanks!

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
26. True. I caught Covid last December in spite of taking all recommended precautions.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:24 PM
Aug 2021

And I have a lot of underlying conditions. I had thought that if I got it I would be a dead duck. But as it turned out I had a very mild case which was over in a few days and I have been fine ever since. But it should be noted that I don't think I had the Delta variant.

wnylib

(21,620 posts)
86. I am relieved that I am retired, period.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:08 PM
Aug 2021

But I realize that being a school nurse these days would be especially hazardous.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
17. I had to decide to stop going to Sunday Mass, after such joy went I was able to resume
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:01 PM
Aug 2021

regular attendance in June.

Son (unvaxxed) had Covid the last two weeks; he seems to be recovering physically,, but having a hard time psychologically.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
90. I've been going to the gym for the past2 months, but I'm about to suspend my
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:20 PM
Aug 2021

membership again since school has started. I just can't see it not spreading everywhere once the littles start getting it.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
20. Vaccine mandates must start tomorrow upon FDA approval.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:18 PM
Aug 2021

All public transportation, all events, all companies, all stores, all contractors who work in someone's house, all health care personnel, all teachers and school staff, all university students, no excuses.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
23. No, we should allow the excuse that they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:20 PM
Aug 2021

But we should require that they produce a note from a medical doctor to that effect.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
34. Nope, the CDC found no medical conditions that prevent vaccination.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:40 PM
Aug 2021

Too easy to get a doctor to write an excuse note, some doc always will do it. Even with the allergic shock they say its the same odds as getting struck by lightning.

No excuses, you do not get vaccinated, you can not participate in society.

yellowdogintexas

(22,274 posts)
37. what about autoimmune conditions like Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:47 PM
Aug 2021

post chemo/radiation patients, organ transplant patients (immune system is zapped for transplant and chemo/radiation /bonemarrow

Hemophiliacs, Sickle Cell patients often need blood transfusion.

A lady who worked the March primary was emphatically ordered by her doctor not to get the vaccine because she has Lupus.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
59. I have Rhuematoid. I could vax.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:14 PM
Aug 2021

I've been off the biologics for 2 years and things are relatively stable. But I did work with my doctor first before getting vaxxed. For that very reason. Introducing vaccines into a body with a haywire immune system can be tricky.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
57. Then the CDC is wrong.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:11 PM
Aug 2021

A member of my family has an undiagnosed illness they think could be anything from Lupus to allergies to lets guess what to look for next. They've been trying for 2 years to figure it out and eliminated a dozen things. She's got a whole team of doctors coordinating her care at this point ... putting their heads together. When all this came they told her vax if you can't be bubble girl. But would be better not to put one more thing in your immune system until we rule out all of that. So she does intend to vax, just not yet.


She's over 60. She's being crazy careful what she eats. Double masking everywhere, what few places she goes. Practically a hermit due to covid. Everyone in her house has to double mask and sit 12 feet away out on the porch for a visit. Her husband bought a camper so they can do a little travel, get her out. She was withering up. Bubble girl.

So CDC can say what they like, but in one instance I know of, her doctors disagree.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
74. you do know that there are people who
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 10:32 AM
Aug 2021

cannot get vaccinated. It is not a significant number (so it's not published with general covid information), but those people do exist. I have a friend who is unable to get vaccinated at all (for anything) as are her children. She has had relatives die from ordinary vaccines.

It's uncommon. But it does happen.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
21. I'm sorry to hear about the illness and deaths suffered by those fully vaccinated people
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:18 PM
Aug 2021

mentioned in the article.

But remember this is only an anecdote and statistics continue to show that vaccinated people are much less likely to suffer from serious illness or death.

Yes, fully vaccinated people should continue to be careful and follow all of the current guidelines. But I am afraid that stories like this will just give anti-vaxxers more ammunition. They will use this anecdote as another excuse not to get vaccinated. They will say that this shows that vaccinations don't work and therefore people should not get vaccinated. Of course that would be lie but they will say it anyway.

NH Ethylene

(30,817 posts)
44. I don't think we should filter info so as not to discourage vaccines.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:57 PM
Aug 2021

I've noticed a lot of that among health care and public health people these past few months and I think it feeds mistrust. If the vaccine 'hesitant' see that the information is presented even if it doesn't fit the narrative, they might be more likely to trust it.

Additionally, those of us who are vaccinated need to know that we have to be cautious; we could still die from a breakthrough infection.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
51. You are assuming that anti-vaxxers have any logic or reasoning skills.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:26 PM
Aug 2021

A lot of them are Trump zombies who won't care if the information is filtered or not. They won't get vaccinated period. But they will use articles like this one to try to justify not getting vaccinated.

And I already said that fully vaccinated people should continue to follow all guidelines.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
60. To be clear ... GET THE VAX.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:18 PM
Aug 2021

It is the best tool we have. It is not 100%. Fully vaxxed are getting sick now because too many unvaxxed. It isn't that the vax is not effective. You bet it is. The stats are obvious. 96% or more in the hospital with Delta are unvaxxed. My friend was unfortunately one of the 4%.

We still have to use all the tools in the toolbox. Vax is not magic. Surrounded by too man making excuses instead trips to get jabbed ... here we are.

Ms. Toad

(34,102 posts)
65. The vaccinated need to hear stories like this.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 10:53 PM
Aug 2021

Far too many are treating vaccination as a magic shield and being careless, including a number on DU who see being cautious as coddling those who have chosen not to be vaccinated.

We need as many of these stories as are out there. Hearing them isn't going to change the mind of those who are opposed to vaccination, but they might change the minds of the cavalier vaccinated.

Aside from which, nothing good ever comes from hiding the truth.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
84. No, I would not want to hide the truth.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 01:53 PM
Aug 2021

But it is also the truth that it is very rare that the the fully vaccinated get really sick or die. This is the message we need to get out. And I have already seen ant-vaxxers using stories like the OP to embellish their anti-vax rhetoric.

And I don't think that scare tactics like this work anyway. I suspect that I would have a better chance of getting injured or killed in an auto accident yet I don't see messages at DU warning people not to drive because it's too dangerous. And the best way to put this virus to bed for good is to get everybody vaccinated. Cowering in our homes and being too afraid to go out and live our lives because we are afraid of a rare breakthrough infection won't solve the problem.

Ms. Toad

(34,102 posts)
91. The problem among vaccinated people isn't that they
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:45 PM
Aug 2021

are "Cowering in our homes and being too afraid to go out and live our lives because we are afraid of a rare breakthrough infection won't solve the problem." It is the exact opposite.

First breakthrough infections are NOT rare. If you are in an area with 50-50 vaccination and 100 unvaccinated people contract COVID - about 20 vaccinated people will also catch COVID. (Based on the recent Mayo study, it could be as high as 60). That is NOT rare.

Second: The problem is that vaccinated people are pretending as if they cannot be infected, so they have stopped wearing masks (I was exposed that way on Saturday, as well as last week by two vaccinated people who knew they had been exposed but assumed the vaccine was magic; one of those tested positive and I spent hours assisting the contact tracer because the jerk said he had not been in close contact with anyone for more than 15 minutes (6 hours>15 minutes - he lied he was in close contact with at least a dozen people of unknown vaccination status unmasked for more than an hour, and masked for 6 hours, so I had to help sort out this vaccinated jerk's lies rather than doing the work that I needed to do).

When vaccinated people get cold symptoms they assume it is just a cold and don't wear masks - EVEN after known exposure (I was exposed that way on Saturday - and one of my coworkers is currently at home with a "cold" that turned out to be COVID). And finally, asymptomatic vaccinated people are still running around without masks, spreading COVID to others because they don't feel like tolerating a little inconvenience.

Vaccinated people need to understand that the Delta vaccine poses a serious risk, EVEN to vaccinated people, and to start act like responsible adults.

And, as for cowering in our homes - I've been teaching in person, spending between 80 and 100 hours in my office and in contact with students and for more than a year. I'm hardly cowering in my home - but I expect other people to act responsibly so that the calculated risks I am taking are reasonable risks - and are not multiplied by fools who are pretending that vaccines are magic.

I'm in no mood to tolerate nonsense this morning about how rare breakthrough infections are. If you believe that you are part of the problem.

I'm on my way home now because one of the Saturday exposures was full-on unmasked to someone who, two days later, is in the hosptal. I'm not about to intentionally expose others, even masked. We should all have that kind of respect.

totodeinhere

(13,059 posts)
92. Please do not put words in my mouth. I did not say that breakthrough infections are rare.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 03:55 PM
Aug 2021

I said that the fully vaccinated are much less likely to get very ill or to die. Many studies have shown that. Do you have information to the contrary? And please don't give me your personal anecdotes. Anecdotes do not prove anything.

Ms. Toad

(34,102 posts)
93. You actually did. Re-read your post.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 04:14 PM
Aug 2021

"afraid of a rare breakthrough infection"

For one thing, data is just a collection of anecdotes.

I did not say the vaccinated were not much less likely to get very ill or die. I countered what you actually said, which was that breakthrough infections were rare. Read your post and stop accusing me of putting words in your mouth.

As for "much less likely to get very ill or die," that is an accurate statement. I have NEVER disputed that. What I have repeatedly disputed is that vaccinations mean that is is hunky dory to wander around without a mask. It doesn't. Even vaccinated people can contract COVID, they spread it equally to unvaccinated people for the first 5 days of infection, even if they are asymptomatic. People need to get over that mindset, and part of what they need to hear - since they obviously can't be bothered to act like responsible adults for the sake of others - is that there might also be personal conseunces. I personally know of people who have died, and who have long COVID from breakthrough cases. Vaccinated inividuals who are refusing to wear masks in public spaces need a wake-up call.

I am dealing with the very direct consequences of that mindset at the moment. It has cost me a considerable amount of time, and I may be quarantined for the first week I'm supposed to be teaching pending the results of testing due to exposure by a jerk who thought she was too special to have to wear a mask.

Wear the damn mask, and stop trying to convince people that COVID is always trivial, once you are vaccinated. It often is - but that is not always the case. And even if it is trivial for you, it may well not be trivial for the 0-11 year olds you give it to, or for the immune compromised people who can't build good immunity.

Random Boomer

(4,168 posts)
87. Yes, this!
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 02:27 PM
Aug 2021

Vaccinations are not a Get Out of Jail Free card, they are just another (but very powerful) layer of protection to be added to all the others.

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
24. are you saying she had had both vaccines?
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:23 PM
Aug 2021

and still died?
Whats the damn point?.
One why I never got the second vaccine, everyone vaccinated thinks they are invulnerable.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
29. Yes.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:28 PM
Aug 2021

She had a lot of other cardiac issues. And 7 months out from 2nd shot.

If we could have gotten enough to vaxx early on I don't believe we would still be in this mess.

The vaxx is the best chance we have

And she never thought she is invincible. No one I know does.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
32. It's not too late for you to go get your second dose.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:31 PM
Aug 2021

You chances of not dying will improve dramatically if you are fully vaccinated.

 

Thtwudbeme

(7,737 posts)
36. People say the same about seatbelts- People still die in wrecks
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:42 PM
Aug 2021

with them on. So, what's the point?

People still get the flu even with the flu shot. So, what's the point?

The shot is free, and it's not going to hurt you. What's the point of NOT getting it? It's 30 seconds of your time- more than you spent reading and responding to this thread.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
43. Exactly.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:55 PM
Aug 2021

No drug or treatment are going to be 100% effective.
Just because somebody dies despite treatment (or vaccination) doesn't mean there is no point in being treated (or vaccinated).

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
94. The first one
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:23 PM
Aug 2021

May have contributed to heart issues that got 1000
Times worse 2 days after i got it and continue to this day
6 months later.

vanlassie

(5,691 posts)
96. Lots of exaggerations and may haves and why bothers
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:27 PM
Aug 2021

But no science. You should get the vax. No doctor will tell you not to unless they’re a quack.

NH Ethylene

(30,817 posts)
46. That's probably why the booster shot is coming out in September.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:59 PM
Aug 2021

Because our protection is waning now due to time and the increased infectiousness of Delta.

obamanut2012

(26,142 posts)
69. Not getting the second shot means you didn't actually get vaccinated
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 08:36 AM
Aug 2021

Why didn't you get the second shot??? You are endangering yourself and everyone else.

The OP's friend had cardiac issues.

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
98. no, how could he know what
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 11:37 PM
Aug 2021

kind of reaction I would have to anything in advance?
Ive been given pills that have put me in the ER with an allergic reaction.
All I know is before the shot it I was ok- or better
now im disabled and debilitated.

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
100. Ive seen multiple
Tue Aug 24, 2021, 05:09 PM
Aug 2021

Drs.
Living like this isnt "silly", its a 24/ 7 battle.
Thanks for minimizing someone personal misery.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
80. I assume you don't wear seatbelts either?
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 11:50 AM
Aug 2021

After all, they're not 100% effective.

Seatbelts and vaccines have saved thousands and thousands of lives.

Not every single life. That's not how reality works. But we can't just pretend that a few outliers justify our own laziness or whatever excuses we are using.

patphil

(6,217 posts)
33. I liked the no regrets part. It's sad, but there are situations where it's good to meet in person.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 07:38 PM
Aug 2021

My sister Nancy is 88, and was just diagnosed with cancer. My other sister lives nearby. So, my wife, daughter, and mI...all vaccinated went up to see them along with Nancy's children. All vaccinated. I felt it was important to see my sister.
Sometimes you just have to do it.

NH Ethylene

(30,817 posts)
47. I see she declined the vent. I'm trying to decide if I should do the same if ever in that boat.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:01 PM
Aug 2021

I've read that half of those who go on the vent never come off it. But that was just one study. I'd like to know more about the outcomes of those who were vented for Covid.

KentuckyWoman

(6,697 posts)
49. It is individual.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:13 PM
Aug 2021

She had heart failure after repeat heart attacks. ..and had already decided one more, no heroic efforts.

For someone younger or in better shape, the choices will be different.

I hope you never have to choose.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
53. Agreed.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 08:40 PM
Aug 2021

The only 100% sure way to avoid is locking your self in a room and not coming out. There are going to be cases where someone does all the right things and still gets sick.

I am sorry to to read this so sad. Don’t ever tell that young child that he may have killed his grandmother. It could potentially impact him for life. Also I don’t think throwing a sheet over another in order to hug them works real well either.

Bluethroughu

(5,201 posts)
58. I'm sorry you lost a friend, and her family is suffering.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:13 PM
Aug 2021

This is absolutely scary, and we need to be so careful for longer and until.

Thank you for sharing the reminder this is real deadly.

Jarqui

(10,130 posts)
62. I'm very sorry for your loss but
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:26 PM
Aug 2021

thank you for posting about it.

We are collectively being confronted with new words like efficacy, killer t-cells, N95, etc.

Stories like yours do not rely on this new vocabulary. It's a story similar to those told for generations to help people learn about how to stay safer. It will cut through like so many in the media won't. More stories like yours need to be told. Maybe it takes 5 or 10 before it clicks. We've certainly proven that saying it the different technical ways we have to date has had limited results.

Hopefully, her story will save some lives.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
63. Thanks for sharing, KYW. I hope they never need to tell that child what happened.
Sun Aug 22, 2021, 09:38 PM
Aug 2021

No matter how good our precautions, being exposed to enough viral loading will infect anyone.

Once again, this horrible virus stabs us in the back. We all get vaccinated then learn we can carry and transmit the virus without hardly noticing anything's wrong.

So sorry you lost your friend........ .......

Rhiannon12866

(206,116 posts)
66. I went to a family funeral last week, my Dad's cousin died of Covid.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 05:54 AM
Aug 2021

She'd just had her 88th birthday and was fully vaccinated. She was also careful and her family does not know how or where she contracted it. She was a lifelong Democrat and also refused the vent.

The Blue Flower

(5,446 posts)
67. This one hit me hard
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 07:18 AM
Aug 2021

I'm 72, very cautious, masking at the grocery store, isolating except for seeing my grandkids once a week. My thought at the beginning of the pandemic last year was that I'd outlast it if I was careful enough. No more. So my attitude now is to appreciate each day that I wake up able to breathe, to take the dog out for walks, to wave to my neighbors, and to talk to my loved ones on the phone. To be happy to be alive and functioning.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
76. Keep masking. No family get-togethers. No letting our guard down.
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 11:40 AM
Aug 2021

Most of this family will survive, thanks to the vaccines, but letting their guard down even a little bit can be deadly.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
78. Very sad
Mon Aug 23, 2021, 11:48 AM
Aug 2021

Is 72 the total number? Because out of all those millions who are vaxxed, it's clear the vaccine is working as advertised. That won't help this family, of course.

And I'm getting the booster as soon as it's offered to me.

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