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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDid Danforth fucking Quayle save the nation in January?
Dan Quayle. Fuck.
shut up
Okay, technically the answer is no. But still... in reading the Esquire article on John Eastman's memo of January 4, 2021, drawn up under Trump's supervision, to convince Mike Pence (who Eastman & Trump seem to have considered a team player and a coward) to gum up the works of the Electoral college enough to throw the country into chaos.
This is why Trump's team assembled the maga mob on the 6th. They were to be there to create enough street pressure to support an EC coup geared at throwing the election into the House, where Republicans held a 26 state majority. The mob would ensure that no delegations got weak and supported the actual winner of the election.
It gets worse. Pence didn't reject the insane, unconstitutional, Rube Goldbergesque coup mechanism out of hand. He actually called up Dan Quayle to get His Eminence's input.
As writer Charles Pierce puts it:
And before we all start blessing the name of Michael Richard Pence, we should remember that he actually agonized over what to do, going so far as to consult with Dan Quayle, who had to remind Pence what Pences duty to the republic actually was. We now have the game plan, in writing.
When Pence got back to Trump with his No, that's when Trump started tantruming his personal insults, via Twitter, at the Veep. Of course the 1/6 protestors were already on their way to DC. Without Pence playing his key role in the coup's game plan, Trump, Rudy, and all the other rally speakers improvised a Plan C: fire up the mob and send them down to the Capitol to beat up some cops and smear their feces on the walls.
No one spoke up to warn Congress, especially not Pence, who dutifully kept Trump's machinations secret.
You out have to read the whole thing. This was their plan
gab13by13
(21,446 posts)I believe he convinced Pence to do the right thing.
DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)I think he did too.
Tetrachloride
(7,877 posts)and Congressional staffers. Ultimately Pence had to acquiesce on January 5, 6, 7.
An exact timeline would be welcome including Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Champp
(2,114 posts)it freaking gobsmacks you with its improbability."
- Sayings of Chairman Champp (1st ed.)
Alice Kramden
(2,168 posts)KS Toronado
(17,382 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,168 posts)But I pretend not to hear them!
no_hypocrisy
(46,243 posts)We know that Trump flies off the handle at any insignificant slight.
Crickets.
Why hasn't he attacked Quayle like he's attacked Pence?
Bucky
(54,087 posts)All he knew was Mike came back with a No and Trump announced they weren't friends anymore. Literally, Trump said that.
That's when they decided to give their mob a more central roll in the drama
rpannier
(24,345 posts)He's probably wondering why Pence was asking a bird
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Disaffected
(4,571 posts)maybe he thought it was actually a parrot (which would have been the more logical choice).
Mickju
(1,805 posts)Could be true though
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)The excerpt about it
bucolic_frolic
(43,375 posts)As evil as this whole thing is, the lawyers had a plan but didn't have the personnel in place to carry it out. And when your election, popularity, and execution relies on the very last minute snatching of victory from the jaws of defeat, you really are a loser. If Pence had tried this, the uproar would have been instantaneous and chaotic. I do believe the coup would have been repelled.
Pence was derelict in his duty to warn, to carry out the 25th Amendment. He just went along with the daily flow like the chump Pence is and remains.
Patton French
(783 posts)Good for him, I say.
dwayneb
(768 posts)Almost finished reading "Peril" by Woodward and Costa, and they lay out the events leading up to January 6th in great detail. What the events of that day, and all of the Trump years teach us is how fragile our American experiment in representative government actually is.
All it takes is a concerted effort by a despot-wannabe like Trump and a populace of easily manipulated mush-brains to take out the underpinnings of our Constitution.
If Trump wins outright in 2024, he will immediately move to begin tearing down the Judicial branch of government and the Justice Department; and he will move to institute some form of martial law to address an invented crisis in order to move toward State control of media and suppress opposition. He is not stupid, he understands clearly that to be able to cement his power and control he must undermine the courts and silence his critics.
If Trump loses the election, with his party in control of both the Senate and the House, it is entirely possible that they will refuse to affirm the Electoral results, claiming irregularities in voting; we now know that any election that Trump does not win must be "stolen". This will lead to a Constitutional crisis, one which we the People will probably lose.
I see very few Democrats or Independents acknowledging this reality, or having a plan to deal with it when it happens. It is a fantasy that our Constitution will protect us from continuous attack from within - the framers never imagined someone like Trump and certainly never imagined a tool like the Internet which could be used to spread propaganda at will.
Dark days are ahead for truth-seekers and lovers of liberty.
HUAJIAO
(2,405 posts)or having a plan to deal with it when it happens."
Me neither.
They seem to have no idea what is about to happen, or rather what IS happening right now.l. .. THAT is what frightens me.
Hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)times.
It was ugly, and unneeded, but the EC was a formality by Jan 6th. And rube-red states had thwarted trump's efforts.
griloco
(832 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)numbers to get to the point that trump was ahead at 232. Everything over that HAD to be "in dispute" even if it wasn't.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)Trump doesn't have to be anchored in the concensus reality in order to be a danger to the republic.
so he could be 100% wrong about all the returns. His game plan was to lie about the steal and coast in on an election thru the House
It probably couldn't have worked but it very much would have gotten bloodier
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Strikes me that we are giving the mob credit for being pretty sophisticated. If they knew, for instance, that it was a go, then they would come to DC to celebrate. If they knew pence wasn't going to go along, then they would come to ravage and kill. "Hey Billy Bob, pack the gallows just in case."
Another thing, who were the senators who agreed on disputing those states? I know Cruz was. They are implicated right off the bat.
2naSalit
(86,867 posts)Openly fascist, josh hawley (dickhead-MO).
They act as a tag team at times.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)Which was what the "kill Mike Pence" shit was about. This wasn't just a failed coup. It was a failed mini-purge
Ishoutandscream2
(6,664 posts)Astonishing, isnt it?
Bluethroughu
(5,203 posts)This includes all the players that knew and kept it going...Gatez, Bobbert, Brooks, Cruz, Margerory treason Greene...and the rest of them texting where they were after they were in safe rooms.
We have a Domestic terrorism problem and it needs attention NOW.
PatSeg
(47,657 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,819 posts)Back then, Quayle was the crazy, incompetent politician who somehow moved to the top.
Now he looks like a learned elder statesman compared to the the latest Republican offerings.
heckles65
(549 posts)Dan Quayle lives in Arizona now.
(If the other choice was Indiana? I would too.)
eppur_se_muova
(36,305 posts)what saved the nation was the murderous mob chanting "Hang Mike Pence"...remember his family was in the building when the Secret Service whisked them away to a safe impregnable room inside the building..and yet, when the Secret Service suggested he vacate the capital he insisted on staying because he did not trust the Secret Service... Pence certified the election, not because it was the right thing to do, but because he was fucking pissed at Trump...
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Because he didn't trust the secret service? Not doubting you just trying to recollect where that came from I just watched The New York times compendium on that day. They had a little snippet of pence in his office acting like business as usual.
On edit.... Which tells me he didn't expect the goons to be unleashed like they were
agingdem
(7,868 posts)and remember it was reported (The Guardian) that Vanessa and Tiffany were "inappropriately close" to their Secret Service agents...and Slate reported that Biden replaced some Secret Service personnel for fear they were too aligned with Trump...
lame54
(35,331 posts)Thank youe. Well doned
joetheman
(1,450 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,338 posts)when two of the dumbest politicians in the history of the USA can stop him.