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Bucky

(54,087 posts)
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:08 AM Sep 2021

Did Danforth fucking Quayle save the nation in January?

Dan Quayle. Fuck.

shut up

Okay, technically the answer is no. But still... in reading the Esquire article on John Eastman's memo of January 4, 2021, drawn up under Trump's supervision, to convince Mike Pence (who Eastman & Trump seem to have considered a team player and a coward) to gum up the works of the Electoral college enough to throw the country into chaos.

This is why Trump's team assembled the maga mob on the 6th. They were to be there to create enough street pressure to support an EC coup geared at throwing the election into the House, where Republicans held a 26 state majority. The mob would ensure that no delegations got weak and supported the actual winner of the election.

It gets worse. Pence didn't reject the insane, unconstitutional, Rube Goldbergesque coup mechanism out of hand. He actually called up Dan Quayle to get His Eminence's input.

As writer Charles Pierce puts it:

And before we all start blessing the name of Michael Richard Pence, we should remember that he actually agonized over what to do, going so far as to consult with Dan Quayle, who had to remind Pence what Pence’s duty to the republic actually was. We now have the game plan, in writing.


When Pence got back to Trump with his No, that's when Trump started tantruming his personal insults, via Twitter, at the Veep. Of course the 1/6 protestors were already on their way to DC. Without Pence playing his key role in the coup's game plan, Trump, Rudy, and all the other rally speakers improvised a Plan C: fire up the mob and send them down to the Capitol to beat up some cops and smear their feces on the walls.

No one spoke up to warn Congress, especially not Pence, who dutifully kept Trump's machinations secret.

You out have to read the whole thing. This was their plan
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Did Danforth fucking Quayle save the nation in January? (Original Post) Bucky Sep 2021 OP
I believe he did, gab13by13 Sep 2021 #1
From what I read DownriverDem Sep 2021 #19
Quayle, the Capitol police, Speaker Pelosi, General Milley, certain members of Congress Tetrachloride Sep 2021 #2
"You have to acknowledge reality, even if... Champp Sep 2021 #3
K&R n/t Alice Kramden Sep 2021 #4
Anyone ever tell you "To the moon Alice! To the moon!" ? KS Toronado Sep 2021 #10
They have told me far worse than that! : ) Alice Kramden Sep 2021 #37
You know what's interesting? Trump hasn't said a word about Quayle. no_hypocrisy Sep 2021 #5
Best guess, till Woodward's book came out, Trump didn't know of Quayle involvement Bucky Sep 2021 #7
Probably trying to figure out who/what Quayle is rpannier Sep 2021 #17
Omg! XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #23
. vanlassie Sep 2021 #26
Good One! My thoughts as well, but much better expressed. maddiemom Sep 2021 #28
Heh, Disaffected Sep 2021 #29
That's funny. Mickju Sep 2021 #40
Did Woodward interview quayle? I know I need to go find Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2021 #31
If you have to consult Dan Quayle you are not a leader bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #6
I looks like he certainly helped. Patton French Sep 2021 #8
All true and the coup came close to succeeding dwayneb Sep 2021 #9
"I see very few Democrats or Independents acknowledging this reality, HUAJIAO Sep 2021 #16
Don't believe it came close to succeeding. Heck, trump's hand pick courts ruled against him several Hoyt Sep 2021 #27
Technically, the word is spelled "noe"... griloco Sep 2021 #11
So it just clicked with me that they had to play with the Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2021 #12
Right. It was all a delusional fantasy Bucky Sep 2021 #33
So when did trump know that pence was a "no"? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2021 #13
Don't forget the... 2naSalit Sep 2021 #20
As I read it, that same day, the 4th. But he kept on pressuring Pence Bucky Sep 2021 #34
It sure as hell seems so Ishoutandscream2 Sep 2021 #14
Time for some prison, that's Seditious Conspiracy. Bluethroughu Sep 2021 #15
Whoa, that is really terrifying PatSeg Sep 2021 #18
Shows how far the line has moved in the last 30 years. Midnight Writer Sep 2021 #21
What gets me is -- heckles65 Sep 2021 #22
Apparently his life is golf-centric now. nt eppur_se_muova Sep 2021 #25
No... agingdem Sep 2021 #24
Where did you get that? That he insisted on staying Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2021 #30
The Hill ...7/16/21 agingdem Sep 2021 #32
U.S.A.E. U.S.A.E. lame54 Sep 2021 #35
Hahaha 🤣 Bucky Sep 2021 #38
Perhaps he did. If so, I am eternally grateful to hime. nt joetheman Sep 2021 #36
Shows you how dumb Trump and his crew were Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #39

Tetrachloride

(7,877 posts)
2. Quayle, the Capitol police, Speaker Pelosi, General Milley, certain members of Congress
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:22 AM
Sep 2021

and Congressional staffers. Ultimately Pence had to acquiesce on January 5, 6, 7.

An exact timeline would be welcome including Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
3. "You have to acknowledge reality, even if...
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:28 AM
Sep 2021

it freaking gobsmacks you with its improbability."

- Sayings of Chairman Champp (1st ed.)

no_hypocrisy

(46,243 posts)
5. You know what's interesting? Trump hasn't said a word about Quayle.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:43 AM
Sep 2021

We know that Trump flies off the handle at any insignificant slight.

Crickets.

Why hasn't he attacked Quayle like he's attacked Pence?

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
7. Best guess, till Woodward's book came out, Trump didn't know of Quayle involvement
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:47 AM
Sep 2021

All he knew was Mike came back with a No and Trump announced they weren't friends anymore. Literally, Trump said that.

That's when they decided to give their mob a more central roll in the drama

rpannier

(24,345 posts)
17. Probably trying to figure out who/what Quayle is
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:09 AM
Sep 2021

He's probably wondering why Pence was asking a bird

bucolic_frolic

(43,375 posts)
6. If you have to consult Dan Quayle you are not a leader
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:44 AM
Sep 2021

As evil as this whole thing is, the lawyers had a plan but didn't have the personnel in place to carry it out. And when your election, popularity, and execution relies on the very last minute snatching of victory from the jaws of defeat, you really are a loser. If Pence had tried this, the uproar would have been instantaneous and chaotic. I do believe the coup would have been repelled.

Pence was derelict in his duty to warn, to carry out the 25th Amendment. He just went along with the daily flow like the chump Pence is and remains.

dwayneb

(768 posts)
9. All true and the coup came close to succeeding
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:56 AM
Sep 2021

Almost finished reading "Peril" by Woodward and Costa, and they lay out the events leading up to January 6th in great detail. What the events of that day, and all of the Trump years teach us is how fragile our American experiment in representative government actually is.

All it takes is a concerted effort by a despot-wannabe like Trump and a populace of easily manipulated mush-brains to take out the underpinnings of our Constitution.

If Trump wins outright in 2024, he will immediately move to begin tearing down the Judicial branch of government and the Justice Department; and he will move to institute some form of martial law to address an invented crisis in order to move toward State control of media and suppress opposition. He is not stupid, he understands clearly that to be able to cement his power and control he must undermine the courts and silence his critics.

If Trump loses the election, with his party in control of both the Senate and the House, it is entirely possible that they will refuse to affirm the Electoral results, claiming irregularities in voting; we now know that any election that Trump does not win must be "stolen". This will lead to a Constitutional crisis, one which we the People will probably lose.

I see very few Democrats or Independents acknowledging this reality, or having a plan to deal with it when it happens. It is a fantasy that our Constitution will protect us from continuous attack from within - the framers never imagined someone like Trump and certainly never imagined a tool like the Internet which could be used to spread propaganda at will.

Dark days are ahead for truth-seekers and lovers of liberty.

HUAJIAO

(2,405 posts)
16. "I see very few Democrats or Independents acknowledging this reality,
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:01 AM
Sep 2021

or having a plan to deal with it when it happens."

Me neither.

They seem to have no idea what is about to happen, or rather what IS happening right now.l. .. THAT is what frightens me.

Hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
27. Don't believe it came close to succeeding. Heck, trump's hand pick courts ruled against him several
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:26 AM
Sep 2021

times.

It was ugly, and unneeded, but the EC was a formality by Jan 6th. And rube-red states had thwarted trump's efforts.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. So it just clicked with me that they had to play with the
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:03 AM
Sep 2021

numbers to get to the point that trump was ahead at 232. Everything over that HAD to be "in dispute" even if it wasn't.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
33. Right. It was all a delusional fantasy
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:05 PM
Sep 2021

Trump doesn't have to be anchored in the concensus reality in order to be a danger to the republic.
so he could be 100% wrong about all the returns. His game plan was to lie about the steal and coast in on an election thru the House

It probably couldn't have worked but it very much would have gotten bloodier

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
13. So when did trump know that pence was a "no"?
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:19 AM
Sep 2021

Strikes me that we are giving the mob credit for being pretty sophisticated. If they knew, for instance, that it was a go, then they would come to DC to celebrate. If they knew pence wasn't going to go along, then they would come to ravage and kill. "Hey Billy Bob, pack the gallows just in case."

Another thing, who were the senators who agreed on disputing those states? I know Cruz was. They are implicated right off the bat.


Bucky

(54,087 posts)
34. As I read it, that same day, the 4th. But he kept on pressuring Pence
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:08 PM
Sep 2021

Which was what the "kill Mike Pence" shit was about. This wasn't just a failed coup. It was a failed mini-purge

Bluethroughu

(5,203 posts)
15. Time for some prison, that's Seditious Conspiracy.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 08:55 AM
Sep 2021

This includes all the players that knew and kept it going...Gatez, Bobbert, Brooks, Cruz, Margerory treason Greene...and the rest of them texting where they were after they were in safe rooms.

We have a Domestic terrorism problem and it needs attention NOW.

Midnight Writer

(21,819 posts)
21. Shows how far the line has moved in the last 30 years.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:31 AM
Sep 2021

Back then, Quayle was the crazy, incompetent politician who somehow moved to the top.

Now he looks like a learned elder statesman compared to the the latest Republican offerings.

agingdem

(7,868 posts)
24. No...
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:57 AM
Sep 2021

what saved the nation was the murderous mob chanting "Hang Mike Pence"...remember his family was in the building when the Secret Service whisked them away to a safe impregnable room inside the building..and yet, when the Secret Service suggested he vacate the capital he insisted on staying because he did not trust the Secret Service... Pence certified the election, not because it was the right thing to do, but because he was fucking pissed at Trump...

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
30. Where did you get that? That he insisted on staying
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 11:14 AM
Sep 2021

Because he didn't trust the secret service? Not doubting you just trying to recollect where that came from I just watched The New York times compendium on that day. They had a little snippet of pence in his office acting like business as usual.

On edit.... Which tells me he didn't expect the goons to be unleashed like they were

agingdem

(7,868 posts)
32. The Hill ...7/16/21
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 11:24 AM
Sep 2021

and remember it was reported (The Guardian) that Vanessa and Tiffany were "inappropriately close" to their Secret Service agents...and Slate reported that Biden replaced some Secret Service personnel for fear they were too aligned with Trump...

Mr.Bill

(24,338 posts)
39. Shows you how dumb Trump and his crew were
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:17 PM
Sep 2021

when two of the dumbest politicians in the history of the USA can stop him.

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