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NanceGreggs

(27,822 posts)
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:09 PM Oct 2021

We've all heard Republican voters say ...

... I am NOT a bigot, a racist, an anti-Semite, a misogynist, or an idiot who believes in whack-job conspiracy theories.

If that's true, it begs the obvious question: Then why do you keep electing bigots, racists, anti-Semites, misogynists, and idiots who believe in whack-job conspiracy theories to represent you?"

Just wonderin'.

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We've all heard Republican voters say ... (Original Post) NanceGreggs Oct 2021 OP
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2021 #1
when somebody says "I am not a ________" just wait for the next rurallib Oct 2021 #2
America knew Nixon was a crook when he said he wasn't a crook Clash City Rocker Oct 2021 #4
Remember the Idaho senator The Wizard Oct 2021 #36
In my day agingdem Oct 2021 #20
Just like whenever someone says, "It's not about the money." It's about the money. OMGWTF Oct 2021 #38
A lot of overt racists don't believe they are racist unblock Oct 2021 #3
When you've lived your whole life with privilege, equality feels like discrimination Clash City Rocker Oct 2021 #5
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2021 #39
This is an excellent post. Beartracks Oct 2021 #7
My experiences have been OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #16
Yup. And they do hate minorities, but they always have an excuse unblock Oct 2021 #18
Yep! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #19
This is a perfect way to explain the seemingly un-explainable. rhiannon55 Oct 2021 #23
That's quite a good analysis, unblock. calimary Oct 2021 #32
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 MOST move the bar on what racism is so they don't fit in it well enough uponit7771 Oct 2021 #40
Because they are in fact bigots, racists, anti-Semite's, misogynists and whack job conspiracy IDIOTS Tommymac Oct 2021 #6
K&R K& R K&R K&R K& R K&R K&R K& R K&R TigressDem Oct 2021 #8
Peas in a pod? kentuck Oct 2021 #9
Because they are bigots, racists, anti-Semites, misogynists & idiots who believe in whack-job CT's spanone Oct 2021 #10
Garbage in, garbage out? AZLD4Candidate Oct 2021 #11
Nobody has to BELIEVE anybody for long Red Mountain Oct 2021 #12
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2021 #13
"cuz, they say what's on their minds?" - a bigot, racist, anti-Semite, misogynist and idiot. n/t TeamProg Oct 2021 #14
How to tell if someone is racist: SCantiGOP Oct 2021 #15
Old bible verse. Matthew 7:16 paleotn Oct 2021 #17
I have heard them say Diamond_Dog Oct 2021 #21
Whenever I hear people say that Donald Trump did some "good things' Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #30
1972 Nasruddin Oct 2021 #22
Thanks for a great thread, Nance. rhiannon55 Oct 2021 #24
My brother tried to use that same reasoning during a "discussion" Klondike Kat Oct 2021 #25
Save yourself the trouble. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2021 #26
My experience is that they simply can't hear or understand simple logic. jaxexpat Oct 2021 #27
Only racists say "I'm not a racist." lagomorph777 Oct 2021 #28
Exactly Mad_Machine76 Oct 2021 #29
An observation I'm sure the great majority has also made. BobTheSubgenius Oct 2021 #31
Because from the media they are getting. None of them are ... Caliman73 Oct 2021 #33
Why do they vote for [fill in the blank] candidates? windje Oct 2021 #34
That's just a larger version of another GOP meme, namely: rlegro Oct 2021 #35
Anyone who refers to The Wizard Oct 2021 #37
the hardcore wingnuts will say Dems are the real racists... because of course... LymphocyteLover Oct 2021 #41

rurallib

(62,506 posts)
2. when somebody says "I am not a ________" just wait for the next
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:14 PM
Oct 2021

thing out of their mouths. It will be whatever they said they weren't and an egregious one at that.

Clash City Rocker

(3,402 posts)
4. America knew Nixon was a crook when he said he wasn't a crook
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:22 PM
Oct 2021

We knew Trump colluded when he said “no collusion.” And if someone isn’t a racist, they don’t have to say they’re not a racist. The very statement “I’m not a racist” confirms you are racist.

The Wizard

(12,563 posts)
36. Remember the Idaho senator
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:49 PM
Oct 2021

caught soliciting gay sex in a public toilet? The following day he made a public statement. "I am not gay. I never have been gay." Really, "never have been gay" as if it's a choice says it all.

agingdem

(7,888 posts)
20. In my day
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:30 PM
Oct 2021

it was "I'm not an anti-semite..my doctor/accountant/lawyer are of the Jewish persuasion"..."I have nothing against Mexicans...our maid is a Mexican"..."Negroes are not bad people...Jim, our yardman is a Negro"...and then there is my all-time favorite one-size-fits-all defense "Some of my best friends are____(fill in the blank)"...

My parents were Holocaust survivors...overt hate was up close and personal....a few days ago I was going through old family albums and I found my wedding album (3/30/1969) and one picture took my breath away...seated at my parent's table were their/our friends..Black/Hispanic/gay...and I cried...

unblock

(52,556 posts)
3. A lot of overt racists don't believe they are racist
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:20 PM
Oct 2021

They believe in a (self-serving) hierarchy with men over women, whites over blacks, etc. they think this is simply the way it is, the natural order of things, god's plan, whatever.

So all the crap they spew and their politicians spew is merely saying that's the way it is.

In their minds, to be a racist, you have to go well beyond exercising privilege and putting down the lower rungs of the ladder. You have to be violent against a minority *who didn't "deserve"* it, for instance.

They see a big difference between active animosity towards all members of a minority, and merely holding members of that minority to the lower level of privilege and rights that they think is appropriate for that lower place in the hierarchy.


If you don't believe in that hierarchy, this is all a distinction without a difference, or maybe only a matter of degree. But within their bigoted worldview, the real racists are always someone worse than themselves.

Clash City Rocker

(3,402 posts)
5. When you've lived your whole life with privilege, equality feels like discrimination
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:32 PM
Oct 2021

And many people don’t recognize that they have benefited from white privilege, so they may honestly not see it.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,252 posts)
16. My experiences have been
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 07:55 PM
Oct 2021

That not only are these people saying 'Hey, it is just how it is', they also feel that they are not being racist because they do not actively 'injure' anyone. They don't go out and beat up brown people, for example, so they are not racist. They don't berate immigrant refugees in the store aisle, so they are not racist. The fact that they support and vote for legislation that does the same thing, the fact that they always wax nostalgic for the times in history when white bias was always present if not practiced with glee is completely lost on them. They literally do not comprehend that all this adds up to a textbook racist, because they feel they did not do anything. Because in their minds they haven't.

unblock

(52,556 posts)
18. Yup. And they do hate minorities, but they always have an excuse
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:09 PM
Oct 2021

Like, they'll never admit to hating a black person or treating them poorly simply because they're black.

There's always an excuse in their mind. The black person was doing something they shouldn't. So obvious with plice shootings. They *always* manage to find an excuse to justify the police shooting a black person even if it's an impossible standard and even if they'd scream bloody murder of the cop had done that to a white person.

They don't see that as racism, they see that as well, minorities need to know their station and so on.

rhiannon55

(2,673 posts)
23. This is a perfect way to explain the seemingly un-explainable.
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:26 PM
Oct 2021

I suddenly understand my "non-racist"-who-votes-for-racists brother better. He's a white 72 year old Mormon, so a patriarchal, white hierarchy feels exactly right to him.

Thanks for the insight.

calimary

(81,639 posts)
32. That's quite a good analysis, unblock.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:09 PM
Oct 2021

Explores and explains the reasoning and rationalization behind the “I’m not a racist.”

uponit7771

(90,378 posts)
40. THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 MOST move the bar on what racism is so they don't fit in it well enough
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 04:22 PM
Oct 2021

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
6. Because they are in fact bigots, racists, anti-Semite's, misogynists and whack job conspiracy IDIOTS
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:39 PM
Oct 2021

They don't see themselves that way because no one wants to see themselves as an idiot or worse.

They don't realize just how stupid it makes them look to everyone else who is not in their little tribe.

spanone

(136,001 posts)
10. Because they are bigots, racists, anti-Semites, misogynists & idiots who believe in whack-job CT's
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 06:50 PM
Oct 2021

they doth protest too much

K&R

SCantiGOP

(13,880 posts)
15. How to tell if someone is racist:
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 07:51 PM
Oct 2021

They begin a sentence with “I’m not racist but….”
If you’re not about to say something racist, there is no reason for that pre-qualification.

paleotn

(18,040 posts)
17. Old bible verse. Matthew 7:16
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:03 PM
Oct 2021

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

There's also the duck test. Walks like a duck. Quacks like a duck. I'd say it's a duck.

The corollary to the Friend Test applies. You know them by the people they vote for as well as who they hang with.

Doesn't matter if they won't admit it in polite company, they are what they are.

Diamond_Dog

(32,262 posts)
21. I have heard them say
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 08:31 PM
Oct 2021

“Yeah, Donald Trump has an an “abrasive” personality, but people forget about all the good things he did.”

In my mind, every issue, every piece of legislation, every policy he promoted, was conjured up from the angle of keeping certain people down and perpetuating white supremacy. Yours is an excellent question to pose to someone to claims they are not racist and who voted for the orange monster.

Nasruddin

(757 posts)
22. 1972
Sun Oct 3, 2021, 09:02 PM
Oct 2021

On 07 Nov 1972 Richard Nixon won 60.7% of the vote and was re-elected president.
By Aug 1974 you couldn't find anyone who had voted for him. I mean, who would admit that they had voted for him.

See also "Bradley effect"


Klondike Kat

(810 posts)
25. My brother tried to use that same reasoning during a "discussion"
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:01 AM
Oct 2021

My response was something along the lines of "you support candidates who are, so it looks like it's not a deal-breaker for you". He "unfriended" me on Facebook. Oh, well...

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
26. Save yourself the trouble.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:12 AM
Oct 2021

There's no point exposing ideological inconsistencies within the conservative electorate because they don't have an ideology. All they know is this country used to be great and a bunch of non-white non-Christian non-men made it so we can't drink 64 oz. Mountain Dews or smoke on airplanes and that's why there's no steel jobs in West Rustfuck, PA.

jaxexpat

(6,903 posts)
27. My experience is that they simply can't hear or understand simple logic.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:21 AM
Oct 2021

They maintain walls of echoes around their minds continually reinforced with propaganda, effectively insulating themselves from reality. Oh, but they call this experience in self-imposed artificial isolation "reality". So basically they're just regular people, except dumber.

Mad_Machine76

(24,467 posts)
29. Exactly
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 09:49 AM
Oct 2021

I think that some low-information voters are just that clueless and reflexively pull the "R" lever because that's what they've done all their lives and don't realize what the GOP stands for now. Not saying that they've ever been a "good" party but some of them were decent and honorable and did some good things. I don't know if they know or accept that the GOP today is as hideous as it has become. Other times, I think that they willingly overlook all of the bad stuff because they strongly agree with *one* thing that the GOP fights for- theocracy, tax cuts, banning abortion, etc.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,586 posts)
31. An observation I'm sure the great majority has also made.
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 11:56 AM
Oct 2021

Almost invariably, when you hear someone start a sentence with "I'm no racist..." the next word you're going to hear is "but," which will be followed by....[something only a racist would say]

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
33. Because from the media they are getting. None of them are ...
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:18 PM
Oct 2021

When you live in a media bubble that tells you that bigots, racists, anti-Semites, misogynists, and idiots are just "truth tellers" then you believe that you just belong to a special group of people who are not sheep.

You never realize that you are a bigot, racist, anti-Semite, misogynist, and idiot who believes in whack-job conspiracy theories. Mind you, they have also been conditioned to believe that ALL OTHER MEDIA is wrong and only they are correct. It is their intrepid little band of truth tellers versus the rest of the liars and sheep.

That is why. Same way that fundamentalist religions tell you that "the world" is evil and only the path of (insert your particular sect) will lead you to eternal life. Same way a street gang or mafia tells you that you are a soldier protecting your "family" or "barrio" or whatever.

It is not a logical process. It is completely emotional and irrational.

windje

(70 posts)
34. Why do they vote for [fill in the blank] candidates?
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 12:21 PM
Oct 2021

Because the candidate being[fill in the blank] is not a deal killer for them.

rlegro

(338 posts)
35. That's just a larger version of another GOP meme, namely:
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 01:29 PM
Oct 2021

Replicant legislators who increasingly now use this statement, or its equivalent: "I believe in getting vaccinated against COVID but I also believe in personal choice and freedom so while I urge my constituents to get vaccinated, I remind them that this choice is entirely theirs and should never be a government mandate."

Cognitively dissonant in the larger context, but it sort of might get the job done in terms of elected Repubs innoculating themselves against an increasingly dubious, straying voter base. At great cost to the entire populace, of course.

The Wizard

(12,563 posts)
37. Anyone who refers to
Mon Oct 4, 2021, 02:53 PM
Oct 2021

their Italian, Irish, Black, Jewish, Hispanic etc... friend instead of just friend is a bigot.

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