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Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:01 PM Oct 2021

Today the Senate Committee on the Judiciary reported...

The Committee continues to investigate Trump’s efforts to involve DOJ in his election subversion scheme, including by pursuing Trump White House records that NARA has thus far been unable to produce and additional witness interviews as appropriate. Given the gravity of the misconduct the Committee has uncovered to date, however—and in the interest of making a public record of Trump’s efforts to compromise DOJ’s independence—the Committee is releasing this interim staff report. The report makes six primary findings:

FINDING 1: President Trump repeatedly asked DOJ leadership to endorse his false claims that the election was stolen and to assist his efforts to overturn the election results.

FINDING 2: White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows asked Acting Attorney General Rosen to initiate election fraud investigations on multiple occasions, violating longstanding restrictions on White House-DOJ communications about specific law-enforcement matters.

FINDING 3: After personally meeting with Trump, Jeffrey Bossert Clark pushed Rosen and Donoghue to assist Trump’s election subversion scheme—and told Rosen he would decline Trump’s potential offer to install him as Acting Attorney General if Rosen agreed to aid that scheme.

FINDING 4: Trump allies with links to the “Stop the Steal” movement and the January 6 insurrection participated in the pressure campaign against DOJ.

FINDING 5: Trump forced the resignation of U.S. Attorney Byung Jin (“BJay”) Pak, whom he believed was not doing enough to address false claims of election fraud in Georgia. Trump then went outside the line of succession when naming an Acting U.S. Attorney, bypassing First Assistant U.S. Attorney Kurt Erskine and instead appointing Bobby Christine because he believed Christine would “do something” about his election fraud claims.

FINDING 6: By pursuing false claims of election fraud before votes were certified, DOJ deviated from longstanding practice meant to avoid inserting DOJ itself as an issue in the election.

Source: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Interim%20Staff%20Report%20FINAL.pdf



So. It looks like We the People can prove Trump is a traitor.

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Today the Senate Committee on the Judiciary reported... (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 OP
any repubs signed on to that report nt msongs Oct 2021 #1
Dunno. Should be unanimous. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #2
the republicans put out their 'alternative facts' report spanone Oct 2021 #21
Where is the Garland DOJ? Burying their heads in the sand? triron Oct 2021 #3
They must know all this and more. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #4
The investigators and the prosecutors under Garland are not forgetting. Full stop. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #9
You mean the ones who all seem to be getting between 45 days and 4 months? Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #17
Thank You. nt Progressive Jones Oct 2021 #19
Personally, sir, my trust in the judicial system on the Sedition Day rioters is not Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #20
Hope you are right. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #28
Problem is if they lose the support of We The People nothing will be done. Tommymac Oct 2021 #22
Sir, the FBI does not do PR. Also does not disclose details of ongoing major investigations. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #23
Not talking about the FBI. And the FBI DOES issue progress report on high visibility investigations Tommymac Oct 2021 #26
No sir. The press release page of the FBI is here: Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #27
Every organization does PR. Iam sure the FBI has a PR pro on staff. Tommymac Oct 2021 #30
I'm waiting for DOJ to announce that Trump was acting within his role as President. 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2021 #5
This is my greatest fear. Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #16
I think they work...like at a job stillcool Oct 2021 #6
Maybe this is some kind of smouldering plan to get Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2021 #12
Trump's a cheater. Always has been. nt. druidity33 Oct 2021 #7
Cheater. Liar. Thief... Traitor. Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #33
"not doing enough to address false claims of election fraud in Georgia" bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #8
Which was a problem and why the GQP is working says hard as it can... Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #34
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2021 #10
"A Proof of Concept." Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #35
And yet I still haven't seen the long-awaited photo of Trump in handcuffs. tclambert Oct 2021 #11
Who watched Rachel tonight? gab13by13 Oct 2021 #13
This is a real investigation. They mean business. Off to a great start. Very smart to release a Martin68 Oct 2021 #14
Yes, all true. Every detail in every recent report and press leak means indictments, very soon. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #24
People are acting like this report is some kind of smoking gun. It is great to have all Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #15
The devil is in the details. Proven. The devil and his minions are not happy to see such details. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #25
Which details? What is new in the report? Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #29
Proof of facts alledged, admissible in court of law, not just admissible in social media or Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #31
"...records that NARA has thus far been unable to produce... Captain Zero Oct 2021 #18
No "executive privilege" for you! Kid Berwyn Oct 2021 #32

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
2. Dunno. Should be unanimous.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:16 PM
Oct 2021

Did hear on the radio they were sore pissed and issued their own report stating Trump was a swell guy when it comes to investigating election fraud. I don’t think Grassley used the word “integrity.”

spanone

(135,830 posts)
21. the republicans put out their 'alternative facts' report
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 09:32 AM
Oct 2021

TABLE OF CONTENTS

I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

II. INTRODUCTION

III. THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT USE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO OVERTURN THE ELECTION

IV. PRESIDENT TRUMP’S CONCERNS CENTERED ON “LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS” AND “REPORTS OF CRIMES” AND HOW THEY IMPACTED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE ELECTORAL SYSTEM; WITNESSES STATED HIS CONCERNS WERE NOT UNREASONABLE

V. PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT EXERT IMPROPER INFLUENCE ON THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, HAD NO IMPACT ON THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT’S ELECTION ACTIVITIES, AND HIS CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR EFFORTS STEMMED FROM A DISTRUST OF JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND FBI LEADERSHIP.

BLAH BLAH BLAH......

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/in_their_own_words_a_factual_summary_of_testimony_from_senior_justice_department_officials_relating_to_events_from_december_14_2020_to_january_3_2021.pdf

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
4. They must know all this and more.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 07:37 PM
Oct 2021

But, yeah. People are starting to forget what happened and remember what Rupert Murdoch’s shoveling.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
9. The investigators and the prosecutors under Garland are not forgetting. Full stop.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:44 PM
Oct 2021

And the hundreds of indictments and hundreds of criminal defendants winding their way through the courts across the land, as a result of the January soft coup attempt, are not forgetting.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
20. Personally, sir, my trust in the judicial system on the Sedition Day rioters is not
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 09:27 AM
Oct 2021

diminished.
The criminals sentenced to date all plead guilty, the lowest foot soldiers taking orders. Guilty pleas are per se indicators of remorse, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, and is a major mitigating factor in sentence.
Many more will be sentenced after trial in the weeks ahead , the sentences will escalate according to the guilty verdicts, remorse will have to be proven.
Have every confidence the sentences were appropriate for each under each individual circumstances.

The Brownshirt leaders sentences will be measured in years…their time in the criminal court barrel will just be a matter of time.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
22. Problem is if they lose the support of We The People nothing will be done.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 09:50 AM
Oct 2021

I understand they are moving legally...but it is the PR part of the game that is sorely lacking.

WE The PEOPLE need to know something is being done sooner rather then later.

Big messaging fail by DOJ so far.

Offered as constructive criticism.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
23. Sir, the FBI does not do PR. Also does not disclose details of ongoing major investigations.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 09:59 AM
Oct 2021

Ofc the waiting is frustrating but that is how major and minor and everything in between is done by the FBI. In excruciating silence, so frustration for the victims, take comfort in the agony for investigated targets.
Before the hammer falls.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
26. Not talking about the FBI. And the FBI DOES issue progress report on high visibility investigations
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:11 AM
Oct 2021

The issue is the DOJ is not communicating with We The People in an EFFECTVE manner.

Maybe they are , but the MSM is not covering that part - if that is the case the DOJ needs to call out the MSM.

Joe and Jane Sixpack have very short memories, and they are taking the lack of anyone higher up getting charged as no one high up did anything wrong - this is the meme Fox News is propagating everywhere.

The DOJ public relations folks need to push back and get the common person interested again, otherwise in 2022 it all will get lost in the noise the RW is going to raise.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. Maybe this is some kind of smouldering plan to get
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:50 PM
Oct 2021

them? I hope it is! Right now I'm like you extremely pessimistic. But carry on!

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
33. Cheater. Liar. Thief... Traitor.
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:04 PM
Oct 2021

“One thing we know is you, Rosen, aren’t going to do anything to overturn the election.” — Putindent Donald J. Trump, Senate Judiciary report pp. 38

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
8. "not doing enough to address false claims of election fraud in Georgia"
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 08:44 PM
Oct 2021

Pak was doing his job. He knew there was nothing there.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
34. Which was a problem and why the GQP is working says hard as it can...
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:08 PM
Oct 2021

…to ensure that no GQP candidate ever has to lose a selection again.

Voting Laws Roundup: October 2021

In an unprecedented year so far for voting legislation, 19 states have enacted 33 laws that will make it harder for Americans to vote.


https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-october-2021

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
35. "A Proof of Concept."
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 07:31 PM
Oct 2021
IV. December 28: Jeffrey Clark Urges DOJ Leadership to Intervene in Georgia’s Appointment of Electors and to Replicate this “Proof of Concept” in Other States

Efforts to involve DOJ in Trump’s election subversion scheme continued on December 28, when Clark approached Rosen and Donoghue with an audacious proposal: DOJ should inform the legislatures of Georgia and several other states that it was investigating voting irregularities, and recommend that each state legislature call a special session to consider appointing an alternate slate of electors.

Senate Judiciary report, pp. 19

Some concept, Treason.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
11. And yet I still haven't seen the long-awaited photo of Trump in handcuffs.
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:36 PM
Oct 2021

I thought law enforcement agencies would be racing each other to see who could arrest him first.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
13. Who watched Rachel tonight?
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:58 PM
Oct 2021

Sheldon Whitehouse dropped a bombshell, Jeffrey Clark wasn't acting alone, someone, some group was backing him. Whitehouse said the name of the group but I missed it. Whitehouse also used the words grand jury when speaking of Clark.

If anyone remembers who the group was please enlighten.

Martin68

(22,794 posts)
14. This is a real investigation. They mean business. Off to a great start. Very smart to release a
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 09:59 PM
Oct 2021

preliminary list of charges for which there is substantial corroborating evidence. I have high hopes.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
24. Yes, all true. Every detail in every recent report and press leak means indictments, very soon.
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:08 AM
Oct 2021

In Judge Garland, I trust.

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
15. People are acting like this report is some kind of smoking gun. It is great to have all
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:09 PM
Oct 2021

this in one place, but didn't we already know it?

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
31. Proof of facts alledged, admissible in court of law, not just admissible in social media or
Fri Oct 8, 2021, 10:34 AM
Oct 2021

the media. Courts have slightly higher standards for admission of evidence.
The reports provide the needed leap over the barrier.

Although confident Judge Garland knows all this already, and so much more detail.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
18. "...records that NARA has thus far been unable to produce...
Thu Oct 7, 2021, 11:24 PM
Oct 2021

This bothers me the most.
Remember all the delays and obfuscation during the transition?

I know it is said by data experts that data never really disappears.
Let's hope that is true.

If it it can be proven that someone or group actually worked at making data disappear that is a crime in and of itself, right? Who worked so hard at making whatever NARA is looking for disappear?
What kind of data are we even talking about?
That may be key.

Kid Berwyn

(14,897 posts)
32. No "executive privilege" for you!
Sat Oct 9, 2021, 06:44 PM
Oct 2021
Biden won’t invoke executive privilege on Trump Jan. 6 docs

The 1/6 committee now has the momentous task of sorting through the details and obtaining documents and testimony from witnesses who may or may not be cooperative.


ASSOCIATED PRESS / October 8, 2021

Excerpt…

The letter from White House counsel Dana Remus to the Archivist of the United States comes at the start of a potentially lengthy legal battle over the investigation. Trump, who told his supporters to “fight like hell” the morning of the insurrection and has defended the rioters who beat police and broke into the Capitol, is trying to block Congress from learning more. Biden has so far sided with House Democrats, who have asked for thousands of pages of documents and subpoenaed witnesses connected to Trump.

The House committee investigating the insurrection, which formed over the summer, now has the momentous task of sorting through the details and obtaining documents and testimony from witnesses who may or may not be cooperative. And the jockeying between the two administrations, Congress and the witnesses is certain to delay the investigation and set the stage for messy litigation that could stretch well into 2022.

Snip…

Remus wrote that Biden has determined that invoking executive privilege “is not in the best interests of the United States.” The House panel had asked for the records, including communication within the White House under Trump and information about planning and funding for rallies held in Washington. Among those events was a rally near the White House the morning of Jan. 6 featuring remarks by Trump, who egged on a crowd of thousands protesting Biden's win.

Remus wrote that the documents “shed light on events within the White House on and about January 6 and bear on the Select Committee’s need to understand the facts underlying the most serious attack on the operations of the Federal Government since the Civil War.”

Continues…

https://www.courthousenews.com/biden-wont-invoke-executive-privilege-on-trump-jan-6-docs/
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