The only way the infrastructure bills will pass is if the progressive caucus bend to what Manchin

[JohnSJ]

and Sinema

If one thinks that Manchin will bend, it isn’t going to happen

Remember before the 2020 primary, Manchin made it clear that if Sanders was the nominee, he wouldn’t support him in the general election against trump?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/468278-manchin-says-he-wouldnt-back-sanders-against-trump-in-presidential-race?amp

The fact is Manchin and Sinema don’t care if we lose the majority in 2022

[zipplewrath]

1. I suspect they will

I suspect that there is a date out there (Oct. 31?) that everyone knows is the "end of the line" and they're just trying to squeeze in everything they can before that date.

[JohnSJ]

2. I am pretty sure the progressive caucus will insure something passes, but my point is that it will

be Manchin and Sinema who will call the shots, because I don’t think they care if we hold onto the majority

The only way to overcome this is win enough seats in the Senate so Manchin and Sinema won’t be able to hold us hostage

[zipplewrath]

3. Yup

Everyone is figuring out what they can get into the bill, that those two won't care about, before the deadline. Ultimately, it's the goal to get just enough control of the senate to make them marginal. In many cases people like them are just the "Face" of the opposition, but there are often other senators that are happy that those two take the heat so that they don't have to. However, in this case, I really think they are two on their own with no support.

[dutch777]

4. Right on! Sad but true

Any elected rep is at the end of the day only beholden to their constituency and AZ and WV are tough for Dems

[Bettie]

5. So, it is always the things that

HELP NORMAL PEOPLE that get jettisoned.

We'll end up with a bill that helps a bunch of corporations and rich people and does little else.

Wow, what a "win".

ETA: And then, the progressives will be blamed for "not helping people".