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interesting Tweet of THE Morning (Original Post) YoshidaYui Oct 2021 OP
Yep. calimary Oct 2021 #1
This. Yep. n/t TygrBright Oct 2021 #2
I endeavor to suggest that one part of humanity chose to make nearly everyone else Ford_Prefect Oct 2021 #3
I'd suggest that they are god. plimsoll Oct 2021 #14
Unfortunately, the fruit has to get to your floatie thing somehow A HERETIC I AM Oct 2021 #4
That was my thought as well -- but we SHOULD have more quality free time Martin Eden Oct 2021 #12
Yup! Jetsons was the aspiration... AleksS Oct 2021 #21
For that matter Martin Eden Oct 2021 #23
Amen! Mary in S. Carolina Oct 2021 #5
Even in the harshest climates, hunter-gatherers work about 20 hours a week localroger Oct 2021 #6
The earth is already overpopulated. Eyeball_Kid Oct 2021 #8
So much bullshit only to finally retire broke. rickyhall Oct 2021 #7
I don't know of any jobs that are actually 9 to 5. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #9
And then there are swing and graveyard shiftf. soldierant Oct 2021 #13
Most of my working life I did shift work. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #26
Oh, I agree! soldierant Oct 2021 #35
Whenever I need to make an appointment for something, PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #40
Same here! Silver Gaia Oct 2021 #43
When I was in college, we had a professor on loan from Oxford (don't remember niyad Oct 2021 #47
If no one works, where will you get the fruit? LogicFirst Oct 2021 #10
I pick mine from the tree and one for the I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2021 #34
I've been retired for the last couple of years, and it seems like I'm constantly 70sEraVet Oct 2021 #11
Love it! Delphinus Oct 2021 #16
bravo, you NJCher Oct 2021 #22
+1 llmart Oct 2021 #44
This reminds me of one of my favorite Douglas Adams quotes: iscooterliberally Oct 2021 #15
Excellent quote, thank you Escurumbele Oct 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #38
So it's all bullshit? BadGimp Oct 2021 #17
Ask the people in Denmark why they don't think it's all bullshit Mr. Ected Oct 2021 #18
Exactly! BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #20
Guess I'm lucky. Freelancer going on 28.5 years. Auggie Oct 2021 #19
He is right, and I have a story that depicts that exactly. Escurumbele Oct 2021 #24
2 hours a day is a hobby... lame54 Oct 2021 #32
9-5? lunch breaks? 5 day work week? Skittles Oct 2021 #27
To quote the late great George Carlin... It's all bullshit. Blue Owl Oct 2021 #28
We know of two alternatives to working 9 to 5 in an economy, and neither attracts me... paulkienitz Oct 2021 #29
BS Jobs IbogaProject Oct 2021 #30
Ahh, yes. I read that book recently. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2021 #41
Who's gonna pick the fruit? lame54 Oct 2021 #31
Am I the only poster who thinks this Tweet sucks? Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #36
You are not BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #45
My work is rewarding Johnny2X2X Oct 2021 #48
Agreed 100% BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #49
No BannonsLiver Oct 2021 #53
Yes! BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #56
kick Demovictory9 Oct 2021 #37
The beer isn't free today, try tomorrow Historic NY Oct 2021 #39
But people are oh so much more controllable when they're always just one mistake from total failure. NullTuples Oct 2021 #42
Try living in, say, India. In a clothing factory. All above in America IS paradise. Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2021 #46
Americans: SayItLoud Oct 2021 #50
Yeah, not really. Renew Deal Oct 2021 #55
"We don't want people to think they don't have to work hard to survive." malthaussen Oct 2021 #51
That comment on 7 hours of school for kids followed by 7 hours of homework is telling. Efilroft Sul Oct 2021 #52
Who does he propose doing the work in the "hanging out" lifestyle? Renew Deal Oct 2021 #54
He's BeerBarrelPolka Oct 2021 #57
Whomever wrote this tweet drexelkathy Oct 2021 #58

Ford_Prefect

(7,854 posts)
3. I endeavor to suggest that one part of humanity chose to make nearly everyone else
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:23 PM
Oct 2021

adhere to the standards you observe. They believe life to be a war between those who have and those who have been taken, the winner of which gets almost all of the cookies, the naming rights, makes and enforces all of the rules, and gets the first seat next to GOD.

plimsoll

(1,664 posts)
14. I'd suggest that they are god.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 02:10 PM
Oct 2021

At least they're also the ones who get to decide what is "moral," and much like all other gods the rules don't apply to them.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,352 posts)
4. Unfortunately, the fruit has to get to your floatie thing somehow
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:26 PM
Oct 2021

I’m inclined to agree with most of the sentiment, but somewhere along the way, someone has to do some serious labor.

Even in paradise, someone has to bury the poop.

Martin Eden

(12,834 posts)
12. That was my thought as well -- but we SHOULD have more quality free time
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:57 PM
Oct 2021

Growing up in the 1960's (born 1957) I remember hearing how all the wonderful advances in technology and productivity would raise our standard of living, reducing the number of hours worked to give us more quality time for life and family.

The wonderful advances in technology and productivity did indeed occur, but the benefits accrued overwhelmingly to the major share holders. If anything, we are working more hours than the "greatest generation" did 50 years ago, struggling to afford the "American Dream" that was more in reach when strong labor unions helped to fulfill that promise for so many working Americans.

AleksS

(1,665 posts)
21. Yup! Jetsons was the aspiration...
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 03:09 PM
Oct 2021

We’re supposed to be aiming for 3-day work weeks, a few hours per day. Making enough to care for a family and even have a robot to clean and cook for us. Instead for the vast majority, we’re aiming for longer work weeks, more hours, and less money.

Martin Eden

(12,834 posts)
23. For that matter
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:02 PM
Oct 2021

Fred Flintstone seemed to have it pretty good by today's standards.

He and Barney had enough disposable income to buy a boat together, but they couldn't agree on a name for it. One of them wanted "Nautilus" and the other wanted "Sea Queen" so they compromised and named it "Nau-Sea."

Wilma pointed out that spells nausea.

localroger

(3,616 posts)
6. Even in the harshest climates, hunter-gatherers work about 20 hours a week
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:34 PM
Oct 2021

...on survival imperatives. This has been well documented both in the African desert and the Arctic. The grind doesn't benefit us as individuals, it is about our tribe/civilization and our leaders expanding influence and resisting others who might be expanding their influence over us. And none of this was a big deal to many people until about 10,000 years ago when agriculture was invented.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,428 posts)
8. The earth is already overpopulated.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:40 PM
Oct 2021

Overpopulation also means it’s more expensive to live. It also means that humans organize in hierarchical form. With capitalism, guess what happens?

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
7. So much bullshit only to finally retire broke.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:35 PM
Oct 2021

Ought to at least get a free trip to somewhere outside the lower 48.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,801 posts)
9. I don't know of any jobs that are actually 9 to 5.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:50 PM
Oct 2021

8 to 5 maybe, with an hour unpaid lunch. More likely 8 to 4:30 with a half hour lunch.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,801 posts)
26. Most of my working life I did shift work.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:49 PM
Oct 2021

Never graveyard, but mostly an afternoon shift of some kind.

I hate getting up early. As far as I'm concerned, any time before 10am is the crack of dawn.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,801 posts)
40. Whenever I need to make an appointment for something,
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 11:39 PM
Oct 2021

I tell the appointment person, "I don't do mornings." Yesterday I actually had to get to a doctor's office at 8:45. Yuck. I did make it, and didn't complain, because it wasn't her fault that was the only time available.

niyad

(112,836 posts)
47. When I was in college, we had a professor on loan from Oxford (don't remember
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 08:55 AM
Oct 2021

the details). At our first class, cigarette in hand, he started with, "conducting any activities before 10am is completely uncivilized."

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
33. I pick mine from the tree and one for the
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 08:55 PM
Oct 2021

Guys that came with me. I dont need to consume the whole tree. As I drop the seeds in a few years more fruit trees.

Dont need to strip it bare. Capitalism loves creating the illusion of scarcity.

Response to LogicFirst (Reply #10)

70sEraVet

(3,460 posts)
11. I've been retired for the last couple of years, and it seems like I'm constantly
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:56 PM
Oct 2021

fixing things, running errands, making and going to doctors' appointments, figuring out health insurance, home insurance, taxes......
Last week I went to a friend's house who is also retired, and said, "Come on, I've got two fishing poles and some night crawlers in the truck. We need to remind ourselves why we retired!"
I caught a 4 pound catfish, and we had a great time.

llmart

(15,524 posts)
44. +1
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:19 AM
Oct 2021

If we're honest with ourselves, some of what we waste our time on (retirees or working stiffs) is our own doing. People buy stuff they don't need and then they need to fix or maintain it and it becomes a vicious circle. In the early 90's there was a movement of people who practiced voluntary simplicity where some people including me realized that every single item one purchases requires both emotional and physical energy that takes away from the free time we could have had to just simply enjoy ourselves and life. I read everything I could get my hands on about people who were adopting this way of life and gradually adopted it for myself. It takes awhile to fully realize the truth of it all, and it takes people adopting a lifestyle of conscious consumerism. It doesn't ask that you give up everything you own and go live on a desert island somewhere, but it does ask that you think about the things you buy.

In some ways, Americans have to take some responsibility for creating the rat race with their own behavior.

iscooterliberally

(2,856 posts)
15. This reminds me of one of my favorite Douglas Adams quotes:
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 02:11 PM
Oct 2021

“For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.”

Response to iscooterliberally (Reply #15)

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
18. Ask the people in Denmark why they don't think it's all bullshit
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 02:28 PM
Oct 2021

When the work/life balance isn't out of whack, you can have your cake and eat it too.

Auggie

(31,118 posts)
19. Guess I'm lucky. Freelancer going on 28.5 years.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 02:33 PM
Oct 2021

Part-time work that pays a living.

I really do goof off a lot.

Spent about 13 years 9 to 5. I do miss some of the people. Had some fun times. Tons of assholes though.

Of course I don’t miss it.

Escurumbele

(3,364 posts)
24. He is right, and I have a story that depicts that exactly.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 05:33 PM
Oct 2021

An American entrepreneur visits a South American country, he goes to this little town by the Ocean. As he is resting, enjoying the sun and the good weather he notices a fisherman rowing to shore, he leaves his boat up on the sand, takes about five beautiful big fish from the boat, walks to a hut, and a few minutes comes back, plays with his kids for a while then jumps onto a hammock he has hanging between two beautiful palm trees.

The American entrepreneur decides to talk to the fisherman. After introducing himself he asks "how many fish do you get every time you go out?"
Fisherman: "It depends, if I just want for my family 4 or 5, but if I want for my friends as well I can get up to 12."
Entrepreneur: "How many hours does it take you to get 12 fish?"
Fisherman: "About two hours, sometimes a little more, sometimes less"
Entrepreneur: "What if you went out for, maybe 8 hours?"
Fisherman: "What for?"
Entrepreneur: "Well, you could get more fish and sell it."
Fisherman: "What for?"
Entrepreneur: "With the extra money you could buy another boat"
Fisherman: "What for?"
Entrepreneur: "To make more money and buy many other boats"
Fisherman: "What for?"
Entrepreneur: "To build a fleet and make a lot of money."
Fisherman: "What for"
Entrepreneur: "Well, you can retire afterwards, relax, be with your family, and enjoy life."
Fisherman: "But that is what I am doing already."

I am sure many of you have heard/read this story, but ithe tweet published on this post made think of it.

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
29. We know of two alternatives to working 9 to 5 in an economy, and neither attracts me...
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 07:28 PM
Oct 2021

One is subsistence farming, which often entails backbreaking labor from before dawn until after dusk. The other is hunter-gatherer living, which takes a lot less hard work, but would only sustain about 1% of our population, meaning the rest of us are sporked.

I'll take the 9 to 5 grind, thanks. Our present economy may produce a lot of inequality, but with democracy that is correctable, and also we're not far from the point where we can start transitioning from being served by poor people to being served by robots.

Johnny2X2X

(18,922 posts)
36. Am I the only poster who thinks this Tweet sucks?
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 10:56 PM
Oct 2021

Last edited Thu Oct 21, 2021, 07:29 AM - Edit history (1)

I love too work. Most of the people I know do too.

Johnny2X2X

(18,922 posts)
48. My work is rewarding
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 09:47 AM
Oct 2021

I've worked many jobs, in many industries, found reward in every type of work, most people in the country do like to work.

Doesn't mean I am not for improving working conditions and increasing pay and benefits. But work is meaningful to me, I love my job and think I make a difference there.

Do Americans probably work too much? Yes, but that doesn't mean we all want to be floating in the ocean daily.

BannonsLiver

(16,240 posts)
53. No
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 11:48 AM
Oct 2021

It’s actually a temper tantrum reminiscent of a 5 year old being asked to clean up their room. It’s infantile and pointless. So no. You’re not alone.

Renew Deal

(81,830 posts)
55. Yeah, not really.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:20 PM
Oct 2021

Europeans have bought in just as much to the capitalistic lifelstyle. A few extra days off in August doesn't change that.

malthaussen

(17,142 posts)
51. "We don't want people to think they don't have to work hard to survive."
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 10:48 AM
Oct 2021

Quoth a guy I was watching on YouTube yesterday. I have a feeling he has no idea how inhumane that statement is.

-- Mal

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
52. That comment on 7 hours of school for kids followed by 7 hours of homework is telling.
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 11:10 AM
Oct 2021

Even before COVID hit last year, there was no way in hell my kids could find time to participate in all these extracurricular activities our district likes to promote. The amount of homework they've been subjected to since elementary school is outright abusive. My wife and I are much older than most parents (mid 50s), and we didn't grow up with having every waking moment of our evenings and weekends sucked away by busy work for the sake of busy work. The other parents appear to be Millennials who must've grown up with this kind of madness and think it's normal, hence there has never been a sizable parental backlash to homework.

What's really sad is that every graduating high school class that has come up through this abusive curriculum is told, "You kids can change the world!" But clearly, those who have gone on to become curriculum specialists haven't changed it for the better. When kids constantly check their emails like neurotic adults check their work emails while on vacation, something is wrong. It, as the Twitter post said above, is bullshit.

Renew Deal

(81,830 posts)
54. Who does he propose doing the work in the "hanging out" lifestyle?
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:19 PM
Oct 2021

Because things will go wrong. Who will be responsible for dealing with it?

drexelkathy

(118 posts)
58. Whomever wrote this tweet
Thu Oct 21, 2021, 12:38 PM
Oct 2021

really is naive.

Who is building this raft? Who is growing the fruit? Where is he living? Where is his drinking water coming from?

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