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I hope Family Leave has been saved in this new bill (Original Post) Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2021 OP
I think you will be getting a lump of coal instead. PoliticAverse Oct 2021 #1
I don't see much of anything good Sherman A1 Oct 2021 #2
My hope is that people see Bettie Oct 2021 #4
I hope you are correct Sherman A1 Oct 2021 #5
It is taking some effort to believe this Bettie Oct 2021 #8
I have doubts in that vercetti2021 Oct 2021 #3
The facts of the matter are, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #6
I am a very liberal Democrat, gab13by13 Oct 2021 #7
Yes, that's why I'm not saying that Just_Vote_Dem Oct 2021 #10
thats not the issue i voted for him on but i hope its salvaged. I think he will get it passed samnsara Oct 2021 #9
Blame Manchin and Sinema Sienna86 Oct 2021 #11

Bettie

(16,270 posts)
4. My hope is that people see
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:53 AM
Oct 2021

the obstruction and vote for more Democrats, better ones.

It's a slim hope, but it is still there.

Of course, then there is suppression and outright ignoring the vote in some states to contend with.

But, the SCOTUS is likely to overturn Roe in summer of 2022 and really energize a whole lot of women.

It isn't lost, not yet.

Bettie

(16,270 posts)
8. It is taking some effort to believe this
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:25 AM
Oct 2021

but I kind of have to in order not to go insane.

And, I've been called a doom and gloomer more than once around here, but I do think that Republicans are overplaying their hand. Or I hope that they are.

I get where you are too though. I'm there most days, today is, for whatever reason, a not-so-pessimistic day. I'll take it.

vercetti2021

(10,168 posts)
3. I have doubts in that
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 07:40 AM
Oct 2021

Manchin and the other one literally gutting the bill into nothing. Who needs pukes to ruin the bill when you have these two dip dongs to do that for you?

gab13by13

(22,124 posts)
6. The facts of the matter are,
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:18 AM
Oct 2021

Democrats would have had a harder time winning elections if nothing was passed, and because of Manchin and Sinema that's where we were heading. The sad thing is that we aren't going to get a better Senator out of W. Va. and Sinema was just elected I believe, so that means that Democrats need to pick up Senate seats to get things passed.

It would be nice to get money out of politics, it's insane that we legalized Congress people being bought and paid for. I keep thinking of justice Alito mouthing "not true" to president Obama at the SOTU.

gab13by13

(22,124 posts)
7. I am a very liberal Democrat,
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:20 AM
Oct 2021

I voted for McGovern, but I will never say that Democrats got nothing out of the bill because that only helps GQPers.

Just_Vote_Dem

(2,850 posts)
10. Yes, that's why I'm not saying that
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:34 AM
Oct 2021

If we don't deliver on the more popular proposals, the media will pound us incessantly and the lower-info voter will buy into it.

samnsara

(17,759 posts)
9. thats not the issue i voted for him on but i hope its salvaged. I think he will get it passed
Thu Oct 28, 2021, 08:29 AM
Oct 2021

..eventually.

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