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Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:41 PM

The murder portion of the Rittenhouse trial is pretty much over.

I'm not sure if anyone else is listening. But this is the victim with the gun (so, third person shot?) on the stand. I don't know if it's prosecution or defense asking him the question.

Attorney: "It wasn't until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him . . . now your gun is down pointed at him, that he fired, right?"

Witness: "Correct."

All done.

All that's left is to hash out what's going to happen with the weapons charges.

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Reply The murder portion of the Rittenhouse trial is pretty much over. (Original post)
Sympthsical Nov 2021 OP
Devil Child Nov 2021 #1
Calista241 Nov 2021 #2
DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2021 #12
Thomas Hurt Nov 2021 #3
Dr. Strange Nov 2021 #4
Sympthsical Nov 2021 #6
blm Nov 2021 #9
Sympthsical Nov 2021 #13
Amishman Nov 2021 #15
Amishman Nov 2021 #11
Mugu Nov 2021 #5
Bettie Nov 2021 #7
RobinA Nov 2021 #17
Sympthsical Nov 2021 #8
jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #23
DetroitLegalBeagle Nov 2021 #10
Sympthsical Nov 2021 #14
Hoyt Nov 2021 #16
manicdem Nov 2021 #18
MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #19
Post removed Nov 2021 #24
BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #25
MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #26
BumRushDaShow Nov 2021 #27
Tomconroy Nov 2021 #20
Torchlight Nov 2021 #21
Tomconroy Nov 2021 #22
Patton French Nov 2021 #28

Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:43 PM

1. Agreed

 

Not an effective witness for the prosecution.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:46 PM

2. I'm not sure this case will survive a motion to dismiss. n/t

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:58 PM

12. At this point, me neither.

n/t

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:47 PM

3. There were three people shot, two are dead, this only covers the one that lived...

did the others have guns?

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:49 PM

4. Nope.

This was the only one of the three that had a gun.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:51 PM

6. No, but

The first one shot was clearly the aggressor. There is video.

Now this one was clearly pointing a loaded weapon at Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse fired.

Right now, the defense is just playing with this witness, leading him straight into a trap.

The murder charges are done.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:55 PM

9. And the 2nd person shot doesn't matter, eh Symp?

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Response to blm (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:00 PM

13. Everyone involved matters, but the law does, too.

The second person shot assaulted Rittenhouse with a skateboard and tried to pull his gun away from him - again, on video. I think he was trying to be heroic. He thought there was an active shooter. He was trying to stop it.

But we're dealing with what the law of self-defense in all this.

The jury isn't going to convict.

Don't lash out at me. I didn't do it. I'm just observing. It's sad all around. Rittenhouse should've never been there. And he still has to face weapons charges here that seem like he's 100% guilty of.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:13 PM

15. even the weapons charges are a complicated issue

Last edited Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Wisconsin statute 948.60 is a clumsy law due to how it was written and amended.

The original law 948.60 (2) is pretty clear

Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.


Years later it was weakened by 948.60 (3) which are several exceptions to this. (3) (c) says this

This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.


941.28 prohibits short barreled rifles and shotguns, which Rittenhouse's gun was not. 29.304 and 29.593 are both about hunting and not relevant.

The defense tried to have this charged tossed pre-trial, but the judge said the law is unclear and would leave it up to the jury.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:57 PM

11. agreed, too much video that backs the defense

and the prosecution hasn't even rested yet.

Its more than just the prosecution's witnesses are failing to be convincing of the prosecution's case, one by one on cross examination (particularly when confronted with video clips from that night) they are affirming the defense's narrative.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:50 PM

5. The prosecution never wanted to win this case.

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Response to Mugu (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:53 PM

7. Right wing white boy

of course they don't want him to have any penalties.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:34 PM

17. That's Not A Fair

assessment based on the evidence. Have you seen any of the video? As stupid as Rittenhouse’s actions were, of the people he shot, one chased him down, one pulled a gun, and one hit him with a skateboard. All were white. This is not a good case for the prosecution on the facts.

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Response to Mugu (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:54 PM

8. We shouldn't start that

This witness is absolutely burying himself.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 06:48 PM

23. He sure did.

You don't usually see someone self-destruct like this on the stand outside of TV show.

Didn't the prosecution at least run down the list of possible/probable questions he'd be asked to help Grosskruetz prepare?

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 03:57 PM

10. Yep, listened to the until they went on lunch

That cross examination before lunch absolutely destroyed the prosecution. And the prosecutions case was already shaky. This case is over. And Grosskreutz's civil case is gone as well.

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Response to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:01 PM

14. You know his civil attorney had words during lunch

He tried to recover when they resumed, but it just got worse and worse for him.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:18 PM

16. Jeez. No wonder prosecution took forever to bring this to trial.

 

Despise the punkassed, gun-toting Pissant, but prosecution was never going to overcome reasonable doubt when the first victim chased Rittenhouse and the second one pulled his own gun. The 3rd victim is probably best case, but it’ll be too late to overcome reasonable doubt.

Sucks, and officials need to ban gunz on the streets, especially at protests.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:48 PM

18. Bad case

It's almost as if the prosecutor is defending more than prosecuting. Case should've never been made. It's embarrassing.

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 04:52 PM

19. I knew the punk would walk

The RW will be insufferable.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:31 AM

25. lol

Enjoy your stay!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 9, 2021, 12:53 PM

26. I missed the poo flinging 💩

Oh well.

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Response to MustLoveBeagles (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 9, 2021, 01:01 PM

27. It was some stinky RW loon stuff too

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 05:09 PM

20. I haven't followed it but I read in a CNN article that the

Prosecutor told the jury that Rittenhouse had chased the first person who was shot in the opening statement. The aerial video apparently showed precisely the opposite and the state's investigator admitted this on the witness stand. Something is clearly way off with the state's case.
I did try to break it gently to DU by saying several times that I thought Rittenhouse had hired a very good lawyer (I saw some of his opening statement).
If you all are right there is going to be an uproar here. All retired criminal defense lawyers to the barricades!

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 05:50 PM

21. I'll wait until it's over

and even when the verdict comes down, since I just haven't invested near as much emotion into this as you guys have, I'll just shrug my shoulders, pour another cuppa and hug my family. Reading a singular tea leaf isn't enough for me to get excited or disappointed (if that's the desired result) over.

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Response to Torchlight (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 8, 2021, 06:17 PM

22. I didn't invest anything in it. I assumed he shot people and there

Was no way he could pull off three separate self defense claims. Then a week ago I got a little curious and watched a couple of the videos.
And when a prosecutor out and out lies in an opening statement.........

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Response to Sympthsical (Original post)

Tue Nov 9, 2021, 02:05 PM

28. Wow!

I wonder if they knew he’d say that before they put him on the stand.

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