Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:02 PM

Kyle R Trial: DA doing well on this initial attack, IMO

I am hoping he finishes right before lunch and allows the destruction of this whiny teenage killer to sink in while the jury has their lunch break.

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Kyle R Trial: DA doing well on this initial attack, IMO (Original post)	Scottie Mom	Nov 2021	OP
Judge just stopped him	Johnny2X2X	Nov 2021	#1
My mouth dropped on what that judge did.	Scottie Mom	Nov 2021	#3
RIGHT !!! and the past actions with Mr Black goes to intent ... I'm blown away at the judge claiming	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#15
This judge will, through his interventions, will get this piece of garbage off.	a kennedy	Nov 2021	#4
the prosecutions screwups and aggression with prior witnesses isn't helping here	Amishman	Nov 2021	#5
The prosecutor just got taken to the woodshed	Sympthsical	Nov 2021	#2
Bullshit from a corrupt judge.	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#7
Violating a defendant's 5th Amendment rights is not bullshit	Sympthsical	Nov 2021	#14
Everything this judge has done prior has shown a total disregard for justice so BS on that.	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#16
You're shifting your argument	Sympthsical	Nov 2021	#18
Don't be condescending... This judge is at a minimum biased as hell. I shifted nothing.	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#19
And you're back	Sympthsical	Nov 2021	#20
I am calling his comments, decisions THROUGHOUT this proceeding bullshit.	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#22
Sure does.	Kingofalldems	Nov 2021	#25
Point taken	Bucky	Nov 2021	#23
It's a discussion forum is it not?	BlackSkimmer	Nov 2021	#34
It's okay with me.	Bucky	Nov 2021	#45
I said nearly every other decision up to now has been biased along with his demeanor toward	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#24
Commenting attorneys say different	manicdem	Nov 2021	#27
You do know that two things can be right at the same time, right? I never said the prosecutor	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#29
Prosecution screwed it up	manicdem	Nov 2021	#26
You already posted this to me. I won't be redundant and will send you to my previous response.	hlthe2b	Nov 2021	#30
That's nice	manicdem	Nov 2021	#38
This judge is crooked	Johnny2X2X	Nov 2021	#6
The Judge is an old timer and is the longest serving judge in the State	Scottie Mom	Nov 2021	#8
I think he is weak. I have little hope justice will be done in this case. It all seems stacked in	Celerity	Nov 2021	#9
omfg, this and what the judge started to "teach" the jury about the non lethality of hollow point	uponit7771	Nov 2021	#17
a mistrial will very likely be granted 'with prejudice' so no retrial, as jeopardy rules apply	Celerity	Nov 2021	#21
this is a state trial why would the federal rules apply?	dsc	Nov 2021	#28
because it is basic foundational jurisprudence for any criminal trial in the US, evidence of a	Celerity	Nov 2021	#39
the 5th Amendment is in the US Constitution yet state and local courts are bound by it as well	Celerity	Nov 2021	#40
I get that	dsc	Nov 2021	#42
it's known at state & local levels as well as 404 prohibitions against character evidence	Celerity	Nov 2021	#43
btw, propensity evidence is another term for character evidence that some lawyers use	Celerity	Nov 2021	#44
I don't have a good feeling about this at all.	BlackSkimmer	Nov 2021	#32
Itis not just the judge, the prosecutor is really cocking it up as well, every legal commentator	Celerity	Nov 2021	#41
Exactly this.	BlackSkimmer	Nov 2021	#33
and just to visualize his weapon.......	a kennedy	Nov 2021	#10
dig the USA flag	multireeds	Nov 2021	#11
This kid is proud of what he did	Johnny2X2X	Nov 2021	#12
I hope one day he gets that smirk knocked off his smarmy little face. nt	BlackSkimmer	Nov 2021	#35
Judge is ridiculous	Johnny2X2X	Nov 2021	#13
He might have done well, but that judge is ruining his case.	BlackSkimmer	Nov 2021	#31
Who's on the jury for this thing?	UTUSN	Nov 2021	#36
yeah he's a dirty judge. From the outset he started on against the media.	rockfordfile	Nov 2021	#37

Response to Scottie Mom (Original post)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:04 PM

Johnny2X2X (16,361 posts)

1. Judge just stopped him

Ridiculous. Was just talking about KR tailoring his story and the judge admonished him for violating his conctitutional right to remain silent. WTF?

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:05 PM

Scottie Mom (5,234 posts)

3. My mouth dropped on what that judge did.

I practiced law for a long time -- if a defense entails the mind set of the defendant, the DA was well within his rights to ask about intent.

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Response to Scottie Mom (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:51 PM

uponit7771 (88,992 posts)

15. RIGHT !!! and the past actions with Mr Black goes to intent ... I'm blown away at the judge claiming

... it was his oppinion those statements to Mr Black had no bearing on what KR did.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:06 PM

a kennedy (27,654 posts)

4. This judge will, through his interventions, will get this piece of garbage off.

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Response to a kennedy (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:10 PM

Amishman (5,376 posts)

5. the prosecutions screwups and aggression with prior witnesses isn't helping here

The judge started out as unfriendly, and the ADAs didn't exactly help the situation with the prior witnesses. The witness yesterday flat out accusing Binger of trying to coerce him into changing his statement was probably the last straw.

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Response to Scottie Mom (Original post)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:04 PM

Sympthsical (6,749 posts)

2. The prosecutor just got taken to the woodshed

A grave constitutional violation.

Who hired these people?

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:12 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

7. Bullshit from a corrupt judge.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:48 PM

Sympthsical (6,749 posts)

14. Violating a defendant's 5th Amendment rights is not bullshit

People need to look outside of the narrative they want.

This was egregious by the prosecution. He violated Prosecutor 101.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:52 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

16. Everything this judge has done prior has shown a total disregard for justice so BS on that.

Yes, the prosecutor made an error, but that judge had already stacked the deck totally prior to now. He shows his bias toward the defense in nearly everything he does or says.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:56 PM

Sympthsical (6,749 posts)

18. You're shifting your argument

At least you're conceding the point, I suppose.

I'll take it.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:58 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

19. Don't be condescending... This judge is at a minimum biased as hell. I shifted nothing.

It IS bullshit from a corrupt judge.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:59 PM

Sympthsical (6,749 posts)

20. And you're back

Calling a 5th Amendment violation bullshit.

I do not think the interest here is in law and justice.

"Well, I don't like the guy, so violating his core rights at trial isn't that big a problem."

Honestly seems like what you're going for here.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:02 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

22. I am calling his comments, decisions THROUGHOUT this proceeding bullshit.

Don't worry, that judge is determined to make sure he walks, so you can feel happy about that. (and it clearly appears that you will).

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:15 PM

Kingofalldems (37,199 posts)

25. Sure does.

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:02 PM

Bucky (52,560 posts)

23. Point taken

but bear in mind this is a partisan forum, not a forensic debating forum

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Response to Bucky (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:41 PM

BlackSkimmer (50,576 posts)

34. It's a discussion forum is it not?

Are we all supposed to agree with one another?

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Response to BlackSkimmer (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 07:02 PM

Bucky (52,560 posts)

45. It's okay with me.

Just remember that there's plenty of folks here who ain't so okay with diversity. If you haven't been called a DINO, a Nader-doop, or a Republican troll (excuse me, I meant to type "Repuke-blow-kkk-on" troll), you haven't had the full DU experience

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Response to Sympthsical (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:04 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

24. I said nearly every other decision up to now has been biased along with his demeanor toward

the prosecution. I guess that is a concept that is difficult for you--for someone to see his actions as a whole, even if he may have called one decision correctly.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:24 PM

manicdem (306 posts)

27. Commenting attorneys say different

Most of the attorney blogs and channels are saying the prosecutor screwed the case up with this and many other things.

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Response to manicdem (Reply #27)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:30 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

29. You do know that two things can be right at the same time, right? I never said the prosecutor

bears no blame nor deserves no criticism.

Don't worry, though. It is clear that Kyle will be acquitted. I won't be sharing the champagne though. This is a redux of George Zimmerman. May this little shit's life be just as karma-haunted as apparently is Zimmerman's.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:21 PM

manicdem (306 posts)

26. Prosecution screwed it up

To be fair, the prosecution has totally screwed the case up. Their witnesses were helping to defend rather than prosecute.

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Response to manicdem (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:31 PM

hlthe2b (97,048 posts)

30. You already posted this to me. I won't be redundant and will send you to my previous response.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 04:31 PM

manicdem (306 posts)

38. That's nice

I'm just going to keep posting and you can keep replying.

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Response to Scottie Mom (Original post)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:11 PM

Johnny2X2X (16,361 posts)

6. This judge is crooked

Now he's not allowing questions on what the defendant knows about gun laws.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:12 PM

Scottie Mom (5,234 posts)

8. The Judge is an old timer and is the longest serving judge in the State

He may not be crocked, but he most certainly is a wack job IMO.

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Response to Scottie Mom (Original post)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 01:13 PM

Celerity (36,891 posts)

9. I think he is weak. I have little hope justice will be done in this case. It all seems stacked in

the favour of the white power vigilante. The judge is a fucking POS.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 02:52 PM

uponit7771 (88,992 posts)

17. omfg, this and what the judge started to "teach" the jury about the non lethality of hollow point

... bullets before he broke is gobsmacking

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:01 PM

Celerity (36,891 posts)

21. a mistrial will very likely be granted 'with prejudice' so no retrial, as jeopardy rules apply

as it is due to prosecutorial misconduct

Every single lawyer I am seeing comment is saying this, especially after the prosecutor went after the judge and told him to stop interrupting him, plus he has now 3 times violated pre trial rulings and has tried to introduce character evidence that is banned under Federal Rule of Evidence Number 404, as well as trying to slip in inferences that violate the little asshole's 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

this prosecutor is a clown (so is the judge, so you have a perfect storm of volatility)

the lead counsel for the defence is loving life atm

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Response to Celerity (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 03:25 PM

dsc (51,780 posts)

28. this is a state trial why would the federal rules apply?

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Response to dsc (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 05:01 PM

Celerity (36,891 posts)

39. because it is basic foundational jurisprudence for any criminal trial in the US, evidence of a

person’s character or character trait is not admissible to prove that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character or trait.

There are some exceptions, but those exceptions are not germane to what the prosecutors was trying to do

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Response to dsc (Reply #28)

Wed Nov 10, 2021, 05:03 PM

Celerity (36,891 posts)