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Omaha Steve

(99,988 posts)
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 11:43 AM Nov 2021

Oliver Stone's 'JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass' Doc Lands on Showtime This Month


'JFK Revisited' premiered at Cannes earlier this year.


For the last 58 years, the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy has been the subject of debate and has become enveloped by conspiracy theories. Countless books, TV shows, and movies have been made about that fateful day, none more prolific and swimming in controversy than Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK. 30 years later, Stone is back with a new documentary film, to be released on Showtime, entitled JFK Revisited: Through The Looking Glass.

JFK Revisited premiered at Cannes Film Festival earlier this year and presents a fresh look at the recently declassified archive of material that has been re-examined and placed into the public record. The documentary is poised to inform the latest generation and the generation that lived through it that this unsolved murder was not only shocking but, perhaps, calculated. The film will be narrated by Whoopi Goldberg (The Stand) and Donald Sutherland (Moonfall) and will feature new interviews with historians, witnesses, and other experts on the subject.

The 1991 film made a very similar promise as it focused on the events leading up to the assassination and the alleged cover-up as told through the eyes of New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner). Based on the book The Plot That Killed Kennedy, by Jim Marrs, the film was immediately embroiled in controversy as it made implications that Kennedy's successor, Lyndon B. Johnson, was part of the coup d'état to assassinate the sitting president. Stone was said to have described the film as a "counter myth" to the Warren Commission's "fictional myth". The film boasted an incredible cast with Kevin Bacon, Tommy Lee Jones, Laurie Metcalf, Gary Oldman, Jack Lemmon, Walter Matthau, and even the real Jim Garrison as Earl Warren.

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Oliver Stone's 'JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass' Doc Lands on Showtime This Month (Original Post) Omaha Steve Nov 2021 OP
It's a great movie. Terrible as a 'documentary'. Which is why I wish more people Carlitos Brigante Nov 2021 #1
I love the movie, but it's a movie Johonny Nov 2021 #3
Agreed. Mind you, when I first watched it. Might have been in the Carlitos Brigante Nov 2021 #8
It was entertaining fiction. Tommy Carcetti Nov 2021 #2
My husband was obsessed with that movie. He must have watched it 1000x. liberal_mama Nov 2021 #4
No thanks. Stone is a Putin simp. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #5
So, if there's nothing to Stone's JFK, why all the effort to suppress it? Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #6
What effort to supress it? iemanja Nov 2021 #7
From before the first movie was released in 1990. Same thing now for the doc. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #10
That's not an effort to surpress it iemanja Nov 2021 #14
Right. Like Trump is foisting a fascist coup on USA whacko. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #18
Hunt told his son on his deathbed that he was in on the plot Boomerproud Nov 2021 #9
That was revelatory. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #15
Nixon was a first class scumbag. roamer65 Nov 2021 #12
The record makes clear Nixon was a traitor. Kid Berwyn Nov 2021 #16
Bingo. roamer65 Nov 2021 #17
One of the major early Kevin Bacon Nexus films greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #11
This movie will have the same "accuracy" rate as his "JFK." Archae Nov 2021 #13

Carlitos Brigante

(26,519 posts)
1. It's a great movie. Terrible as a 'documentary'. Which is why I wish more people
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 12:18 PM
Nov 2021

would stop relying on Hollywood to learn their history.


(21,035 posts)
3. I love the movie, but it's a movie
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 01:34 PM
Nov 2021

It's big weakness is that the big trial at the end doesn't even effectively tie the defendant to the actual crime.

But as a paranoia inducing suspense movie, it's fantastic with a great cast. His Nixon is great too. Then his career went puff.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,519 posts)
8. Agreed. Mind you, when I first watched it. Might have been in the
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 02:35 PM
Nov 2021

theater or VHS. I was an "impressionable young man" and took it all as fact. I was a big Stone fan by then. But live and learn. When I realized that a Jim Marrs book was used as a source material....... Well, you know.

I also love Nixon. Every few years I like to re-watch the extended versions. Although I can't remember the last Stone movie I liked.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,237 posts)
2. It was entertaining fiction.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 12:37 PM
Nov 2021

At one point, Stone was capable of making entertaining fiction.

Now he just kisses the ass of various dictators.


(1,495 posts)
4. My husband was obsessed with that movie. He must have watched it 1000x.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 01:35 PM
Nov 2021

When we went to New Orleans, he wanted to go see all the locations in the movie. We even went to see the house where the Tommy Lee Jones character lived in real life.

He has a thing where he likes to fall asleep while watching the same movie over and over again and for years, I had to hear JFK play every night, sometimes multiple times. He goes to bed much earlier than me, but I can still hear it in the background.

Now for the past year, he has been falling asleep to the movie Joker with Joaquin Phoenix. I kind of wish he'd go back to JFK.

Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
6. So, if there's nothing to Stone's JFK, why all the effort to suppress it?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 02:07 PM
Nov 2021

Must go with the territory. So who remembers E Howard Hunt?

Nixon’s Plumber knew how to trigger certain reaction.

Richard Nixon's Greatest Cover-Up: His Ties to the Assassination of President Kennedy

Don Fulsom
Crime Magazine, Oct. 15, 2003 (updated March 22, 2009)


As for Nixon's stated compassion for the Kennedys, let's not forget that he deeply despised them. So much so that, as president, he ordered chief White House spy E. Howard Hunt to forge diplomatic cables to make it look like President Kennedy ordered the murder of South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem. He sent another spy, Anthony Ulasewicz, to Chappaquiddick, Mass., to investigate the 1969 crash of a car driven by Edward Kennedy that killed the senator's female companion. He placed Sen. Kennedy under a 24-hour-a-day Secret Service surveillance in an effort, in Nixon's phrase, "to catch him in the sack with one of his babes." And Nixon pressed aides to plant a false story in the press linking Sen. Kennedy to the 1972 assassination attempt against Alabama Gov. George Wallace.


Back in the Eisenhower years, Vice President Richard Nixon and CIA agent E. Howard Hunt were principal secret planners of the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba that failed so miserably when it was later launched by President Kennedy. Some historians are convinced Nixon was a prime mover in an associated — and also ill-fated — plot to assassinate Fidel Castro. For example, onetime Nixon aide Roger Morris says Nixon "had been an avid supporter of the Eisenhower administration's covert operations to overthrow Castro, including the alliance with organized crime to assassinate the Cuban leader." For his part, Hunt has readily admitted his role in efforts to murder Castro.

For the "executive action" mission, potential assassins were recruited from Mafia ranks, so that if any of their activities were disclosed, organized crime could be blamed.

Nixon confidant Robert Maheu fronted for the CIA on the Mob plots. A high-end private eye (and ex-FBI undercover operative) who functioned in the shadowy realm between U.S. intelligence services and the national criminal syndicate, Maheu had performed previous "dirty tricks" for both Nixon and Giancana. Hoffa had also been a client of Maheu, who would eventually become the top aide to Mob-and CIA-connected billionaire and Nixon financial angel Howard Hughes.


E. Howard Hunt, of course, went on to become President Nixon's chief dirty trickster and secret intelligence operative. In 1972, five Hunt-recruited former CIA men — all veterans of the Bay of Pigs invasion planning — were caught by police while burglarizing Democratic headquarters at the Watergate office building in Washington. Fearing that Hunt's role would soon be learned — and the burglary traced back to the White House —Nixon immediately set out to blackmail g an FBI investigation of the break-in. He had his chief of staff, Bob Haldeman, tell CIA Director Richard Helms that Hunt, if apprehended, might spill the beans about a major CIA secret. On one of the original Watergate tapes, the president rehearsed Haldeman on exactly what to tell the intelligence chief: "Hunt knows too damned much ... If this gets out that this is all involved ... it would make the CIA look bad, it's going to make Hunt look bad, and it's likely to blow the whole Bay of Pigs thing ... which we think would be very unfortunate for both the CIA and the country ... and for American foreign policy."



Nation has not been the same since November 22, 1963.

Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
10. From before the first movie was released in 1990. Same thing now for the doc.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 03:31 PM
Nov 2021

TIME ran a hit piece stating the film was whacko based on a stolen script draft. I see Stone getting the same treatment now.

One Big Thing Oliver Stone got right: JFK was pulling US out of Vietnam.

1,000 advisors out by end of 1963. All US forces out by the end of 1965.

Check out National Security Action Memorandum 263.

A week after JFK was dead, LBJ reversed that order.

National Security Action Memorandum 273

Then came the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the warmongers got their moneymaker.


(53,137 posts)
14. That's not an effort to surpress it
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:41 PM
Nov 2021

It's called a movie review. The JFK conspiracy theories are wacko.

Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
18. Right. Like Trump is foisting a fascist coup on USA whacko.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 06:46 PM
Nov 2021

Media analyst for CNN says top journalists are being censored in their reporting on Big Lie.

That’s fascist as all hell. And Jack Ruby brought up our situation in 2021, a short time after shooting Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963:

“Consequently, a whole new form of government is going to take over the country, and I won’t live to see you another time.”

The source for the quote was Dorothy Kilgallen, a journalist and celebrity.


Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
15. That was revelatory.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:35 PM
Nov 2021

“I was a benchwarmer.”


Hunt once sued for libel when a rightwing rag published a story reporting he was in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Mark Lane wrote about Hunt v. Liberty Lobby in “Plausible Denial: Was the CIA Involved in the Assassination of JFK?”.


Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
16. The record makes clear Nixon was a traitor.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 05:38 PM
Nov 2021
The Lyndon Johnson tapes: Richard Nixon's 'treason'

by David Taylor
BBC Archive On 4, 22 March 2013

Declassified tapes of President Lyndon Johnson's telephone calls provide a fresh insight into his world. Among the revelations - he planned a dramatic entry into the 1968 Democratic Convention to re-join the presidential race. And he caught Richard Nixon sabotaging the Vietnam peace talks... but said nothing.


It begins in the summer of 1968. Nixon feared a breakthrough at the Paris Peace talks designed to find a negotiated settlement to the Vietnam war, and he knew this would derail his campaign.
He therefore set up a clandestine back-channel involving Anna Chennault, a senior campaign adviser.

At a July meeting in Nixon's New York apartment, the South Vietnamese ambassador was told Chennault represented Nixon and spoke for the campaign. If any message needed to be passed to the South Vietnamese president, Nguyen Van Thieu, it would come via Chennault.

In late October 1968 there were major concessions from Hanoi which promised to allow meaningful talks to get underway in Paris - concessions that would justify Johnson calling for a complete bombing halt of North Vietnam. This was exactly what Nixon feared.

Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.

So on the eve of his planned announcement of a halt to the bombing, Johnson learned the South Vietnamese were pulling out.



The Paris peace talks may have ended years earlier, if it had not been for Nixon's subterfuge


(46,389 posts)
13. This movie will have the same "accuracy" rate as his "JFK."
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 04:33 PM
Nov 2021

Stone(d) got two facts correct in "JFK."

Kennedy was shot and killed in Dallas.

Clay Shaw was put on trial for the crime.

The rest of "JFK" is total fiction.

In other words the usual Stone bullshit.
Stone himself is a Putin phanboi, and anti-Semite.

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