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Budi

(15,325 posts)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:56 AM Nov 2021

"Here's Why Folks Were So Desperate to Smear Kamala Harris"

Good Read.

Here’s Why Folks Were So Desperate to Smear Kamala Harris

https://allyfromnola.medium.com/heres-why-folks-were-so-desperate-to-smear-kamala-harris-cbd708d02d59

A story published in CNN implied Harris “created problems for herself,” but from afar, it looks like their sources are the ones trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.
Whenever you evaluate a politician, always consider what your values are, what their objectives are, what their commitments are, and what they do with the power given.
Remember, a politician may not have the same values as you, but if they maintain their commitments in light of their objectives, they have not violated their social contract.
None of Vice President Kamala’s critics mentioned a campaign promise that she broke or a goal she failed to meet, so why are they dragging her? Some Twitter users had stern words after reading the article about Kamala. One user said in a video, “Stop tearing down Black women.”

SNIP..
For starters, they want to diminish her current efforts as Vice President and secondly, they want to kneecap her career going forward. Remember, it’s America, and there will always be some people who come up with excuses to diminish Black women, particularly those in positions of power, and even when they are fulfilling their roles with poise and grace.


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"Here's Why Folks Were So Desperate to Smear Kamala Harris" (Original Post) Budi Nov 2021 OP
Why not? They smeared Hillary for decades. It was their reason for living Walleye Nov 2021 #1
Someone coined the term 'being Hillary-ed'. Aristus Nov 2021 #16
I think every woman who's ever worked a job knows what they're doing here Walleye Nov 2021 #28
Getting it in early and often, 2Gingersnaps Nov 2021 #32
Oh, and she's married to a white guy, they just hate that.Don't know why Walleye Nov 2021 #33
They'll smear her because she's a competent Democrat FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #2
A competent and popular Democrat... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #4
Like Gillibrand with Franken. ananda Nov 2021 #20
Let us not forget that was engineered by Roger Stone, 2Gingersnaps Nov 2021 #31
Harris was the first one to go on television and call for Franken to resign, the day a lot of Celerity Nov 2021 #34
Warren joined in too. It's the idea of Dems on Dem. ananda Nov 2021 #38
Every single Dem Senator joined in calling for him to step down, except for the 5 I listed, Celerity Nov 2021 #40
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 onecaliberal Nov 2021 #9
And a future Democratic presidential candidate PatSeg Nov 2021 #23
Also: Every Repug I've spoken to is CONVINCED Biden will bow out in '24, leaving Harris to run peppertree Nov 2021 #3
Whatever, I kind of think he might do that too... Wounded Bear Nov 2021 #5
No he won't. We would lose the incumbent advantage. If he is healthy, he will run. And Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #7
+1 BeyondGeography Nov 2021 #8
Yep. We did not elect a lame duck. LakeArenal Nov 2021 #11
I don't think he'll bow out Polybius Nov 2021 #26
Perish the thought peppertree Nov 2021 #36
His mom lived to be 92 and was healthy and sharp In later years Walleye Nov 2021 #29
Absolutely! peppertree Nov 2021 #35
And Joe, never a drinker or smoker. Bannon looks like he has heart disease Walleye Nov 2021 #37
+1 peppertree Nov 2021 #39
I think it's funny that the narrative from the right was Hav Nov 2021 #6
Considering who's been repeating CNN's RW mantra, It Is Clearly About Gaining Access to Black Voters Budi Nov 2021 #10
+++ The Polack MSgt Nov 2021 #19
Bazinga! George II Nov 2021 #41
It's not salt they're throwing Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2021 #12
I don't like the way Harris is being treated, but I would also not choose to vote for her tritsofme Nov 2021 #13
You would not choose to vote for her in a Democratic primary, not knowing who the other candidates.. George II Nov 2021 #42
I think this is the elephant in the room that shouldnt be dismissed oldsoftie Nov 2021 #45
Couldn't be more proud of our president and vice president!!! ffr Nov 2021 #14
It goes deeper than the color of her skin, I believe it has more to do with the possibility that she Escurumbele Nov 2021 #15
Yes it reminds me of Rush Limbaugh's non-stop 35-year tirade against Hillary Clinton FakeNoose Nov 2021 #27
I saw a snippet of that CNN report geardaddy Nov 2021 #17
Agreed pandr32 Nov 2021 #18
Yep, they just want to run stories for "drama" geardaddy Nov 2021 #22
C(O)NN has NEVER been neutral. Tommymac Nov 2021 #24
I would be shocked if she was not the object of constant, unsubstantiated smears. hay rick Nov 2021 #21
The bogus attacks on VP Harris are pissing me off LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2021 #25
CNN can go suck. hadEnuf Nov 2021 #30
The right and many on the left hate strong, independent women The Jungle 1 Nov 2021 #43
Ya know what they realized after we elected Obama? The next one might not be so nice. brewens Nov 2021 #44
TFG violated Social Contract by violating US Constitution Seinan Sensei Nov 2021 #46

Aristus

(66,826 posts)
16. Someone coined the term 'being Hillary-ed'.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:27 PM
Nov 2021

And that's what they're doing; chumming the waters of the hate-mongers far enough in advance that when Election 2024 rolls around, the feeding frenzy will be in full frenz.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
32. Getting it in early and often,
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:15 PM
Nov 2021

the party of "family values" berating Hillary for "standing by her man," Diaper David Vitter's wife in particular. Now she has a judgeship from tRump for "standing by her man." In the post fact/tRump era, it doesn't have to be true, it just has to be out there. Amazing what they will believe with much investigation, no evidence, no prosecution, subpoenaed testimony answered; and what they won't believe when it happens right in front of them.

But Kamala is the threefer-strong woman, Black/Indian heritage, highly competent and strong. Their worst nightmare. But again, you can't tell me the corporate media isn't in on the fix when Chris Christie is on his rehabilitation tour, and only Nicole Wallace seems to notice.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,488 posts)
2. They'll smear her because she's a competent Democrat
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:02 AM
Nov 2021

The fact that she's black and female is just a double bonus for those assholes.

Wounded Bear

(59,044 posts)
4. A competent and popular Democrat...
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:05 AM
Nov 2021

attacking women and black women in particular is the cherry their shit sundae.

Celerity

(44,499 posts)
34. Harris was the first one to go on television and call for Franken to resign, the day a lot of
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 02:30 PM
Nov 2021

women Dem Senators came out (far from just Gillibrand) and called for Franken to resign


so I would say not

Like Gillibrand with Franken.







Gillibrand's tweet was the first, by just a few minutes, and a group of mostly female Senators had been planning and meeting for weeks before it all went down on December 6.

All Democratic Senators except 5 called in public or private for him to resign. Gillibrand is only a Jr. Senator from NY. She doesn't have the superpowers being attributed to her. Schumer was well involved, signed off on it, and gave the ultimatum.

Only Joe Manchin said he should not resign. 3 of the other 4 were on the Senate Ethics committee and could not comment, and the 4th, Bob Menendez of New Jersey, was under federal criminal indictment for corruption at the time and chose to say nothing.


Female Democratic senators coordinated a wave of calls for resignation

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/senators-al-franken-resignation/index.html

Nearly three weeks after sexual harassment allegations first emerged against Sen. Al Franken, a wave of Democratic senators — in coordination and following a flurry of text messages and phone calls — called for his resignation in rapid succession Wednesday morning.

Starting around 11:30 a.m. ET, the senators posted statements in a coordinated effort, one after the other, on social media, saying the Minnesota Democrat should step down. Some comments were elaborate, lengthy and loaded with a moral message. Others, like that of Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, were straight to the point. "Al Franken should resign," she simply tweeted.

Within the next 90 minutes, 16 Democrats -- 10 of them women -- and one Republican senator -- Susan Collins of Maine -- had publicly urged their colleague to vacate his seat.






then, of course, there was this

Harris: 'I believe' Biden accusers

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/437107-harris-i-believe-biden-accusers

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) said Tuesday that she believes women who say they felt uncomfortable after receiving unwanted touching from former Vice President Joe Biden.

"I believe them and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it," Harris said at a presidential campaign event in Nevada.

The California senator added that Biden will need to decide for himself whether to run for president. "He's going to have to make that decision for himself. I wouldn’t tell him what to do," Harris said.

In recent days, several women have come forward to allege that Biden has touched them inappropriately.



so, Gillibrand with Franken is perhaps not the best analogy


ananda

(29,032 posts)
38. Warren joined in too. It's the idea of Dems on Dem.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 06:34 PM
Nov 2021

Especially since Franken was actually innocent
and a great Dem.

Celerity

(44,499 posts)
40. Every single Dem Senator joined in calling for him to step down, except for the 5 I listed,
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 07:11 PM
Nov 2021

most in public, some in private.

Especially since Franken was actually innocent


We will likely never know for sure, the pressure really ramped up when 7 more women come forward, including multiple Dems, and he stepped down before there was an official investigation.


It's the idea of Dems on Dem.


What elected Democrats are attacking Harris?

onecaliberal

(33,392 posts)
9. 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:14 AM
Nov 2021

She’s a rockstar. She is highly intelligent and very kind at the same time she is tough as nails. Completely dismayed at the treatment by the press especially. It doesn’t surprise me that recons are evil.

PatSeg

(48,417 posts)
23. And a future Democratic presidential candidate
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:00 PM
Nov 2021

Start smearing her early and often so that their lies become accepted "truth" well ahead of upcoming elections.

peppertree

(22,078 posts)
3. Also: Every Repug I've spoken to is CONVINCED Biden will bow out in '24, leaving Harris to run
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:03 AM
Nov 2021

They think: a) he's "too old and senile" to run again; and b) Harris would be easier to defeat in '24 because "she's black and has an attitude."

That's how they see it.

Demsrule86

(69,096 posts)
7. No he won't. We would lose the incumbent advantage. If he is healthy, he will run. And
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:09 AM
Nov 2021

if he doesn't there will be a primary.

Polybius

(15,715 posts)
26. I don't think he'll bow out
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:51 PM
Nov 2021

But I think there's a very good chance that he doesn't run for re-election.

peppertree

(22,078 posts)
36. Perish the thought
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 04:08 PM
Nov 2021

I mean, you may be right: Biden might opt out of running.

But to have an incumbent president decline to run for his own re-election, puts his party at a disadvantage that very moment.

Many voters will assume he doesn't run, because he's either too ill or can't possibly win - as was LBJ's case (on both accounts) in '68.

The opposition, in turn, will smell blood - and how.

Biden can't take than chance, and I he knows it.

peppertree

(22,078 posts)
35. Absolutely!
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 04:00 PM
Nov 2021

But you know them: they project.

Most Republicans I've known, frankly, look unhealthy. They look like people with a drinking problem, more often than not.

(nothing against alcohol - but it does do a number on your health)

So they think than anyone who's 78 couldn't possibly be healthy and all there.

Plus, of course, wishful thinking: they wish Biden was tottering or worse.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
6. I think it's funny that the narrative from the right was
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:07 AM
Nov 2021

that Biden is senile and would get replaced by Harris weeks after the election, even before the inauguration.
Now, admittedly not by the same people, they are shitting on her for basically not running the show all by herself.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
10. Considering who's been repeating CNN's RW mantra, It Is Clearly About Gaining Access to Black Voters
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:18 AM
Nov 2021

Considering who's been repeating CNN's RW mantra.. looking at Nina Turner, BriJoy Gray, etc...

They got clobbered with Clyburn's Southern Black Voters, in 2020.
The move by that political group to bury her name like they did with HRC, is a predictable pattern.

They cannot move their new Party forward nor 'destroy the Dem Party', with the Black vote solidly aligned with the Democratic Party
Period.

That, and their founders are racist, antisemetic & anti Democracy.

They align more with the RW, which shows in who they gather with to grind down their message of despicable hate.



tritsofme

(17,575 posts)
13. I don't like the way Harris is being treated, but I would also not choose to vote for her
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:02 PM
Nov 2021

in a Democratic primary. I think it is worth pointing out that folks can defend Harris from bad faith attacks, while not supporting her in a future primary.

That always seems to be the undercurrent of these discussions, posturing for 24 or 28.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. You would not choose to vote for her in a Democratic primary, not knowing who the other candidates..
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:10 PM
Nov 2021

...might be?

oldsoftie

(12,879 posts)
45. I think this is the elephant in the room that shouldnt be dismissed
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:39 AM
Nov 2021

Too many people, here especially, are willing to wave aside any disapproval issues as being "racist" or "misogynist". As we stand today, VP Harris has a bad approval rating even among Democrats. It shouldnt be such a surprise seeing as she didnt get much traction in the primaries. She's currently at a 51% disapproval rating, according to the LA Times. It is what it is & Pres Biden needs to get her involved in more major projects to get her out there more. '24 is still a long way off, but its also never too early to start preparing. Personally, I wanted Biden to pick Amy Klobuchar, but NOT picking her didnt alter my vote. I dont think Biden will run in '24, so that makes getting Harris out front more often even MORE important.
Now time to release the hounds on me.......

ffr

(22,712 posts)
14. Couldn't be more proud of our president and vice president!!!
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:22 PM
Nov 2021

They're both rocks stars!

Ignore the hollers, remain focused on jobs, jobs, jobs.

It's the economy, stupid.

Escurumbele

(3,444 posts)
15. It goes deeper than the color of her skin, I believe it has more to do with the possibility that she
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:27 PM
Nov 2021

will be the next president if Biden does not run for a 2nd term. The reason they attacked Hillary, which by the way started right after her graduation when she started to work in Washington, was because repubs saw her potential, the knew she could one day become president of the USA.

Kamala presents to challenges for republicans, she is a woman and a black woman with Hindu descendance, a double threat for the white folks. She, like Hillary, has other attributes republicans do not like from a woman, she is extremely smart, and capable.

FakeNoose

(33,426 posts)
27. Yes it reminds me of Rush Limbaugh's non-stop 35-year tirade against Hillary Clinton
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:52 PM
Nov 2021

Limbaugh basically torpedoed Hillary's career, once she finally got her chance to run for the White House. If he had known about Kamala Harris, I doubt he would have wasted any time on Hillary. He would have launched a balls-out campaign of hatred against Kamala like we've never seen in this country. Thank goodness he's dead and gone-to-hell where he belongs. Unfortunately Limbaugh has enabled enough woman-hating racists in this country now that are all willing to step up and take his place.

pandr32

(11,734 posts)
18. Agreed
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:38 PM
Nov 2021

I was stunned to see CNN running it. Online it was one of the top stories.
CNN is obviously no longer neutral.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
24. C(O)NN has NEVER been neutral.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:17 PM
Nov 2021

They have always skewed Ayn Randian re messages and memes.

Their pov is not rethug or Dem - it is Libertarian. Always has been. Ted Turner, it's founder, despite Jane's progressive influence, always was a Randian guy. He sold it to Corporate Interests with the same viewpoint.

It is confusing, as Libertarian is NOT Republican, but it is anathema to the Democratic Party planks.



hay rick

(7,785 posts)
21. I would be shocked if she was not the object of constant, unsubstantiated smears.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:50 PM
Nov 2021

Republican pundits and politicians now need to constantly renew and demonstrate their racist cred with the aptly-named "base."

The media needs to promulgate the smears to confirm their devotion to a both-sidesism in which they see little difference between the party of obstruction, unlimited tolerance of corruption and treason, and fealty to a sociopath with the party that attempts to represent the people and improves their lives.

hadEnuf

(2,316 posts)
30. CNN can go suck.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 01:57 PM
Nov 2021

After having the sense to call Trump what he is (was ), they have decided that the formula will also work with Biden.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
43. The right and many on the left hate strong, independent women
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 09:35 AM
Nov 2021

This is why Trump won.
I do not know how to get this country across this line in the sand.
1870 African American men got the vote. They were prevented from voting but they did have the right. 50 years later women got the vote. (1920) Think about that and understand that our women still suffer from men who want to control them. On the job and in the public square.

brewens

(13,887 posts)
44. Ya know what they realized after we elected Obama? The next one might not be so nice.
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:21 AM
Nov 2021

Obama was about as moderate for a democrat as they could have hope for. They pulled out all the stops to block everything because a black man couldn't be allowed to look like an effective President. It was also that the republicans could not be seen taking direction from a black man.

Seinan Sensei

(407 posts)
46. TFG violated Social Contract by violating US Constitution
Thu Nov 18, 2021, 10:41 AM
Nov 2021

"if [politicians] maintain their commitments in light of their objectives, they have not violated their social contract."
TFG definitely had objectives. TFG definitely was committed to those objectives.
TFG's objectives, however, were the objectives of a Con-Man and Grifter.
Conversely, TFG swore to uphold/defend the Constitution.
He violated and opposed the Constitution.
He violated his Social Contract.


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