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WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT JURY!!!! THAT ASSHOLE WAS GUILTY AS ALL HELL!!!!!!! (Original Post) Scottie Mom Nov 2021 OP
White Supremacy Bettie Nov 2021 #1
That and gun loving stupidity along with a Trump Humper Judge! EOM Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #2
Yep. Bettie Nov 2021 #4
The judge was a racist Johnny2X2X Nov 2021 #3
Those killed were not "victims?" Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #5
Yeah, hopefully Bettie Nov 2021 #7
Race is not a factor here Hangingon Nov 2021 #20
Please Zeitghost Nov 2021 #55
All of the victims were white Jose Garcia Nov 2021 #32
And the victims were supporting people who weren't white Bettie Nov 2021 #35
Except I believe when the judge had Rittenhouse do a drawing LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #39
And can you imagine being the only non-white person in Bettie Nov 2021 #43
+1000. nt ecstatic Nov 2021 #38
WI 939.48 (2) (b) Amishman Nov 2021 #6
Valid point Dave says Nov 2021 #14
I see your point but I thought the opposite Hav Nov 2021 #18
thanks for the detail fescuerescue Nov 2021 #24
DON'T BLAME THE JURY themaguffin Nov 2021 #8
The Judge and the Jury IMO Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #9
Have you served on a jury? themaguffin Nov 2021 #23
Yes. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #26
If you served on a jury, you would know that they have to follow parameters of the law themaguffin Nov 2021 #51
Why? They were the ones who decided that it was cool Bettie Nov 2021 #37
Have you served on a jury? themaguffin Nov 2021 #52
Another "Zimmerman" jury. Cattledog Nov 2021 #10
More a Zimmerman prosecution team Hangingon Nov 2021 #21
More a Zimmerman prosecution team Hangingon Nov 2021 #22
And Rittenhouse will be just like Zimmerman. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #44
All of the above plus a HUGE LOOPHOLE in Wisconsin law JohnQFunk Nov 2021 #11
I hope someone interviews the non-white members of the jury to explain the acquittal vote. LonePirate Nov 2021 #12
¿Why? RegexReader Nov 2021 #28
There is no tampering after the fact. Juror interviews post trial are quite common in fact. LonePirate Nov 2021 #29
This verdict will result in more dead people. Happy Hoosier Nov 2021 #13
That's my concern. It declares it's "open season" for gun nuts to pursue as they want Dave says Nov 2021 #17
12 people were unanimous Chuuku Davis Nov 2021 #15
It's okay....the punk will break the law again. He's stupid, pampered and Sugarcoated Nov 2021 #25
Repub congresscritters have already offered him internships. Boomerproud Nov 2021 #42
Gun sales will skyrocket now Beachnutt Nov 2021 #16
Don't blame the jury Patton French Nov 2021 #19
two men killed bdamomma Nov 2021 #27
A jury can only vote "Guilty" if it's beyond a shadow of a doubt Polybius Nov 2021 #30
No. Beyond a REASONABLE doubt. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #31
Yes true Polybius Nov 2021 #33
IMO, one has to be a racist, an idiot, blind to justice or all three to find self defense. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #34
I understand what you're saying, but you have to go into a jury with an open mind Polybius Nov 2021 #36
Apparently the Rittenhouse jury did not have open minds. IMO, of course. EOM Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #40
Maybe nothing's wrong with the Jury. Captain Stern Nov 2021 #41
I watched the trial. I have tried jury cases. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #45
Well, my experience is zero years. So, you have made a good point. Captain Stern Nov 2021 #46
I don't offer my expertise if not asked to do so. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #48
I can understand that. I apprecciate it. I am asking you to offer up your expertise. Captain Stern Nov 2021 #50
The Whites protecting whites. sarcasmo Nov 2021 #47
RW whites protecting RW whites. Scottie Mom Nov 2021 #49
all they needed was some gun humping racists on the jury Skittles Nov 2021 #53
I had a feeling it would turn out this way MustLoveBeagles Nov 2021 #54

Johnny2X2X

(19,001 posts)
3. The judge was a racist
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:20 PM
Nov 2021

The judge did not allow a fair trial, every second he was rigging it so the prosecution couldn't make a case.

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
7. Yeah, hopefully
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:22 PM
Nov 2021

someone will run against him next time he's up for election. He has run unopposed, but with the WI GOP trying to make elections, well, not actual elections anymore, I guess we'll see.

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
35. And the victims were supporting people who weren't white
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:01 PM
Nov 2021

protesting the shooting of a black man.

To white supremacists, the worst crime of all is standing up for those who aren't white...being a 'race traitor'.

The fact that they were white was the ONLY reason there was even a trial.

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
43. And can you imagine being the only non-white person in
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:12 PM
Nov 2021

a room full of people eager to let him go free? The one Black person daring to object to a bunch of white people's firmly held belief.

Amishman

(5,554 posts)
6. WI 939.48 (2) (b)
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:22 PM
Nov 2021
WI 939.48

(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows:
(a) A person who engages in unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him or her and thereby does provoke an attack is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense against such attack, except when the attack which ensues is of a type causing the person engaging in the unlawful conduct to reasonably believe that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm. In such a case, the person engaging in the unlawful conduct is privileged to act in self-defense, but the person is not privileged to resort to the use of force intended or likely to cause death to the person’s assailant unless the person reasonably believes he or she has exhausted every other reasonable means to escape from or otherwise avoid death or great bodily harm at the hands of his or her assailant.
(b) The privilege lost by provocation may be regained if the actor in good faith withdraws from the fight and gives adequate notice thereof to his or her assailant.
(c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.


As soon as it came out that the jury wanted to review the drone video of the Rosenbaum chase, I was pretty certain this would be the outcome. Once KR tried to run and was being chased, nothing that happened before it really mattered given the wording of the relevant statute.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
18. I see your point but I thought the opposite
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:31 PM
Nov 2021

Edit: Removed my comments regarding self-defense and provocation because I missed that the jury already came back.

themaguffin

(3,824 posts)
51. If you served on a jury, you would know that they have to follow parameters of the law
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 08:23 PM
Nov 2021

None of sat there.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
44. And Rittenhouse will be just like Zimmerman.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:12 PM
Nov 2021

He’ll kill again. Zimmerman has been in altercation after altercation since he was acquitted. Trying to be a smart ass. Rittenhouse will be no different.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

JohnQFunk

(408 posts)
11. All of the above plus a HUGE LOOPHOLE in Wisconsin law
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:26 PM
Nov 2021

Drone footage shows the little bigot retreating/fleeing, which under Wisconsin statutes allows him to claim defending himself. Something tells me that the smug little fascist is going to discover that theCosmic Lazy Susan of Karma will not treat him well.

RegexReader

(416 posts)
28. ¿Why?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:17 PM
Nov 2021

The only POC involved was the man that attempted to kick him in the face while he was on the ground.

Be careful of tampering with jurors, is that the precedent you really want to set?
Example: Want to have the homes of jurors & their families surrounded by armed militia members pointing lasers into the windows 24/7?

LonePirate

(13,412 posts)
29. There is no tampering after the fact. Juror interviews post trial are quite common in fact.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 03:19 PM
Nov 2021

I believe the non-white jurors will be more honest about the verdict as I suspect the white members will offer a lot of bullshit and racism.

Happy Hoosier

(7,248 posts)
13. This verdict will result in more dead people.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:27 PM
Nov 2021

The message this sends is that it's perfectly legal to go looking for a fight, kill people, and then claim "self defense."

Sugarcoated

(7,721 posts)
25. It's okay....the punk will break the law again. He's stupid, pampered and
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 02:56 PM
Nov 2021

entitled. Very likely the next judge won't be a Trump loon. The arc of justice is long but it gets there

Polybius

(15,364 posts)
30. A jury can only vote "Guilty" if it's beyond a shadow of a doubt
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:35 PM
Nov 2021

Don't blame the jury, with what was presented to them they may have had little choice.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
31. No. Beyond a REASONABLE doubt.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:38 PM
Nov 2021

Beyond a shadow of a doubt implies no doubt whatsoever.

IMO, there was no reasonable doubt that Rittenhouse was guilty.

Polybius

(15,364 posts)
33. Yes true
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:41 PM
Nov 2021

In this case there was no doubt that he shot three people. The only question was were any justified or not.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
34. IMO, one has to be a racist, an idiot, blind to justice or all three to find self defense.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:47 PM
Nov 2021

Our Nation, IMO, has become a denizen of sewer dwellers thanks to the RW.

Polybius

(15,364 posts)
36. I understand what you're saying, but you have to go into a jury with an open mind
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:02 PM
Nov 2021

Hear all the facts from both sides, and have zero predetermined outcomes. Perhaps they saw something most of us didn't. For the charge against shooting Gaige Grosskreutz in the arm, the jury basically had no choice but to acquit. The others were more complicated.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
41. Maybe nothing's wrong with the Jury.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:12 PM
Nov 2021

The twelve people that heard every bit of evidence presented in the trial. ALL of them were wrong? Every one of them were wrong? How did every single one of them get it wrong...while you got it right, without even being there?

Maybe be they didn't have the benefit of the insight that you had.....you know, random stuff on the Internet.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
45. I watched the trial. I have tried jury cases.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:15 PM
Nov 2021

Your experience is?

No, they did not have the benefit of my insight. Over 30 years of legal experience and trial work.

Hint: Don't assume the person you are posting to has no experience in the field upon which you are commenting.



Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
46. Well, my experience is zero years. So, you have made a good point.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:26 PM
Nov 2021

I had absolutely no idea that you had over thirty years of legal experience and trial work.

You should offer up your expertise to the folks in Kenosha.

It sounds like they could use your help.

Or..you could just post here, and complain about the verdict.

Scottie Mom

(5,812 posts)
48. I don't offer my expertise if not asked to do so.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:36 PM
Nov 2021

I have plenty of work in Los Angeles county and do not need to look out of state. But, thanks for the suggestion.

BTW: Thanks also for your permission to post here. I don't think I need your permission, but nice of you to give me the right to complain.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
50. I can understand that. I apprecciate it. I am asking you to offer up your expertise.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:53 PM
Nov 2021

It sounds like you would have a lot to contribute to this community. I'm all in.

I apologize if I gave the impression that I was granting you 'permission' to post. That's never been my permission to give.

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