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Jose Garcia

(2,911 posts)
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:46 PM Nov 2021

Three female senators call NYT coverage of Sinema's clothes 'sexist'

Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) on Friday criticized The New York Times for a string of pieces related to fellow Sen. Kyrsten Sinema's (D-Ariz.) clothing.

The three female senators pointed to four stories recently published by the Times — one style section piece published last month and three opinion section pieces in the past three weeks from one writer — saying they "cannot imagine The Times printing similar pieces on the fashion choices of any of our male colleagues."

"Senator Sinema is a serious, hardworking member of the Senate who contributes a great deal to the policy deliberations before us. Your repeated focus on how she dresses, rather than what she says and does, is demeaning, sexist and inappropriate," the senators wrote in a letter to the editor published Friday.

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Asked about the criticism from the senators, Danielle Rhoades Ha, a spokeswoman for The Times, said, "the aim of our Opinion coverage is to invite intelligent discussion from informed people with a diversity of opinions and ideas. We believe in open debate and always welcome reactions such as the Senators' letter to the editor."

more: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/582400-three-female-senators-call-times-coverage-of-sinemas-clothes-sexist

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Three female senators call NYT coverage of Sinema's clothes 'sexist' (Original Post) Jose Garcia Nov 2021 OP
They are absolutely right, and the Times did the same thing to Hillary. One of many reasons JohnSJ Nov 2021 #1
Respectfully, I disagree. If a republican senator decided a random assed Tuesday Volaris Nov 2021 #28
You don't even have to be respectful about it, but thanks. I am pretty sure Congress doesn't have a JohnSJ Nov 2021 #35
Were the stories written by men or women? Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #2
I don't think it really matters. Caliman73 Nov 2021 #7
Women being sexist is news in it's own right. Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #8
Three of the pieces were written by an African-American woman. Sneederbunk Nov 2021 #9
Why? Caliman73 Nov 2021 #10
I agree to a large extent. Caliman73 Nov 2021 #3
The NYT is a private company that can write whatever they want. Steelrolled Nov 2021 #4
If they want to criticize someone's style of clothing, Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #5
Just his lack of cleanliness and shaving would be a first JohnSJ Nov 2021 #36
So at what point is it ok to talk about one's clothes? Polybius Nov 2021 #6
Lots of people mocked Trump for his ill-fitting suits and long ties. Drunken Irishman Nov 2021 #15
I'm glad that Susan Collins is very concerned about her faux-gressive friend tenderfoot Nov 2021 #11
I don't think it matters if she has terrible fashion sense. KentuckyWoman Nov 2021 #12
The male colleagues are required to wear suits malaise Nov 2021 #13
Agreed. And the cheerleader outfit she wore when making the dramatic "no" vote that one Vinca Nov 2021 #14
Same here malaise Nov 2021 #16
As far as I know She has not broken any rules. Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Nov 2021 #17
I agree PatSeg Nov 2021 #24
Totally agree. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #26
I agree. Women are always the target of such things. The only man I can recall being criticized is Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #18
I'm iffy on this. She seems to welcome comment in a way others don't. Sympthsical Nov 2021 #20
Correct n/t malaise Nov 2021 #22
Yes, this is about her unprofessional appearance PatSeg Nov 2021 #27
I've got to admit I have a problem with that denim vest presiding over the Senate Tribetime Nov 2021 #21
Focusing on women's clothes can definitely be sexist, but in this case... Silent3 Nov 2021 #23
I read one of those articles. It seemed to be criticizing her Tomconroy Nov 2021 #25
Cheers for them! While I have criticized her style choices myself, I heartily reject major media... Hekate Nov 2021 #29
It is. GoodRaisin Nov 2021 #30
The author, Tressie McMillan Cottom, went way deeper than these senators are giving her credit for. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2021 #31
Sinema uses fashion deliberately and consciously. maxsolomon Nov 2021 #32
If they had no compalints about Gosar's video about AOC... they can fuck off. Autumn Nov 2021 #33
I still love Hillary's pantsuits. She took the standard jacket and pants uniform tblue37 Nov 2021 #34

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
1. They are absolutely right, and the Times did the same thing to Hillary. One of many reasons
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:48 PM
Nov 2021

why I no longer subscribe to the anY Times, but instead the Washington Post


Volaris

(10,644 posts)
28. Respectfully, I disagree. If a republican senator decided a random assed Tuesday
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:32 PM
Nov 2021

was now Casual Day at work, and wore denim to preside, we would CORRECTLY DRAG THAT ASSHOLE OVER HOT COALS for institutional disrespect ( and we wouldnt be wrong).

I'll be happy to have a debate about workplace dress codes. I actually dont think they should exist tbh...but as long as they DO,
SIinema is no more allowed to wear a denim jacket, than Jordan should be 'allowed' to NOT TO.

JohnSJ

(96,798 posts)
35. You don't even have to be respectful about it, but thanks. I am pretty sure Congress doesn't have a
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:26 PM
Nov 2021

dress code. They may have "dress standards", I don't know.

I do believe there is a double standard though.


Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
7. I don't think it really matters.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:52 PM
Nov 2021

Women often uphold the disparities created by a sexist society just as well as men do. It isn't even particular stories that are the problem. It is the pattern and focus of the reporting.

Men are reported on for their acts within Congress. Their attitudes, words, etc... Women are focused on for their looks and their clothing.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
10. Why?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:02 PM
Nov 2021

Women living in a society that is driven in good measure, by sexism, are going to be affected by sexism.

Have you ever looked at the Doll Test studies? (This is about racism, but could well be applied to other ubiquitous attitudes like sexism). They started in the 1940's and have been repeated decade after decade.

Children are shown a Black/Brown doll, and a White doll. They are asked, "Which is the ugly doll? Which is the pretty/handsome doll? Which is the bad/naughty doll? Which is the good doll?

Decade after decade, the majority of the Black/Brown children asked will say that the doll that looks like them is "Ugly" and "Bad" and will point to the White doll when asked which is "pretty" and "good".

A Black person being bigoted against their own self image, that is news in its own right, no? No, that is what happens when you are inundated with media and societal messages about who you are and what you are worth. Women are no different. They get hundreds and hundreds of thousands of messages by the time they are old enough to recognize, about their looks, their fashion, and what are supposed to be "feminine" traits.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
3. I agree to a large extent.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
Nov 2021

There is definitely a disparity on the focus that is put on women's clothing as opposed to men's clothing.
I, however ABSOLUTELY LOVED what Tik Tok and Twitter did on the "Denim Vest"

"I want the people in Congress to think is she or is she not, about to ride a mechanical bull" That still has me laughing.

 

Steelrolled

(2,022 posts)
4. The NYT is a private company that can write whatever they want.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:51 PM
Nov 2021

Sure there is bias, but I don't think they care, nor do they need to. As long as they can sell subscriptions and get people to click on ads, they might as well keep doing what they are doing.

Mr.Bill

(24,854 posts)
5. If they want to criticize someone's style of clothing,
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:51 PM
Nov 2021

they need to look no further than Steve Bannon.

Polybius

(18,283 posts)
6. So at what point is it ok to talk about one's clothes?
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 04:51 PM
Nov 2021

If Mitch McConnell wore biker shorts to work, could we mention it? What if AOC wore a bikini to Congress? I can't comment because I'm a male?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
15. Lots of people mocked Trump for his ill-fitting suits and long ties.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:15 PM
Nov 2021

That doesn't even get into the hair or his weight. So, you've got a point.

KentuckyWoman

(6,891 posts)
12. I don't think it matters if she has terrible fashion sense.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:06 PM
Nov 2021

And she does have terrible fashion sense... but then so do a lot of people me included. I'd much prefer that if they are going to attack her at all, stick to what she does, says and stands for. There is certainly plenty of that.

malaise

(278,677 posts)
13. The male colleagues are required to wear suits
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:08 PM
Nov 2021

That denim shit she wore while conducting proceedings deserved criticism. No male would have got away with that.

Vinca

(51,208 posts)
14. Agreed. And the cheerleader outfit she wore when making the dramatic "no" vote that one
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:11 PM
Nov 2021

time was embarrassing. I call out men who dress badly and I feel justified noting Sinema doesn't "dress for success" many times.

malaise

(278,677 posts)
16. Same here
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:16 PM
Nov 2021

Gym Jordan cannot go jacketless in the House Chamber - sure he does wear that light blue shirt with the yellow tie in Committee hearings, but notice that he obeys the dress code on the floor. Same rules apply to her. I am not defending anyone because of gender. Dress appropriately or face criticism.

Response to Vinca (Reply #14)

PatSeg

(49,754 posts)
24. I agree
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:26 PM
Nov 2021

The way she often dresses on the senate floor deserves criticism. It shows a lack of respect for the senate and the office she holds. If any man were to dress outrageously or disrespectfully, he would be written about as well. This has nothing to do with Sinema being a woman. Certain occupations have expectations about behavior and apparel.

hamsterjill

(15,524 posts)
26. Totally agree.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:26 PM
Nov 2021

It’s not sexist to expect a Senator to dress appropriately for the office they campaigned for and now hold.

Demsrule86

(71,033 posts)
18. I agree. Women are always the target of such things. The only man I can recall being criticized is
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:17 PM
Nov 2021

Jim Jordan for his short sleeves and generally sloppiness.

Sympthsical

(10,391 posts)
20. I'm iffy on this. She seems to welcome comment in a way others don't.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:19 PM
Nov 2021

She seems to revel in attention (remember the "fuck off" ring?). She styles herself as something of a fashionista. It seems to me half the point is to look at the clothes.

She's a senator in a professional body that generally adheres to professional standards. If Josh Hawley showed up in a track suit, I'm sure we'd all have words.

So, eh.

PatSeg

(49,754 posts)
27. Yes, this is about her unprofessional appearance
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:28 PM
Nov 2021

not the fact that she is a woman. I criticize Jim Jordan every time I see him without his jacket on the House floor.

Tribetime

(6,418 posts)
21. I've got to admit I have a problem with that denim vest presiding over the Senate
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:21 PM
Nov 2021

Also I got a problem with Steve Bannon slab clothing..... and don't even get me started on that tan suit Obama wore

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
23. Focusing on women's clothes can definitely be sexist, but in this case...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:22 PM
Nov 2021

...is it much different that commenting on jacket-less Jim Jordan, Bannon's two shirts, or Trump's ridiculously long ties?

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
25. I read one of those articles. It seemed to be criticizing her
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:26 PM
Nov 2021

Because she didn't use a professional design coordinator. It was one strange article.

Hekate

(95,208 posts)
29. Cheers for them! While I have criticized her style choices myself, I heartily reject major media...
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:35 PM
Nov 2021

… deciding to go on a crusade against a female politician’s clothing. Have they singled out Jacket-Off Jordan similarly and frequently? No? Then the NYT’s own choices smack of misogyny.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,082 posts)
31. The author, Tressie McMillan Cottom, went way deeper than these senators are giving her credit for.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:52 PM
Nov 2021

maxsolomon

(35,338 posts)
32. Sinema uses fashion deliberately and consciously.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:53 PM
Nov 2021

Pelosi does the same, as did Hillary, but they have better taste. Not to mention Melanoma's questionable choices.

It is OK to talk about women's fashion - it is a constant topic of discussion among the women in my household. The NYT isn't saying "she should show more leg" or "that top shows too much cleavage".

I do believe all the NYT articles are written by women.

I'm becoming DU's resident NYT apologist...

Autumn

(46,643 posts)
33. If they had no compalints about Gosar's video about AOC... they can fuck off.
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 05:58 PM
Nov 2021

Hardworking member my ass. She won't even talk to the people who elected her.

tblue37

(66,041 posts)
34. I still love Hillary's pantsuits. She took the standard jacket and pants uniform
Fri Nov 19, 2021, 06:23 PM
Nov 2021

worn by professional men and turned it into a feminine celebration of color and individuality.

I miss her vibrant pantsuits.

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