Jan. 6 Organizers Used Anonymous 'Burner Phones' to Communicate with White House and Trump Family

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Some of the organizers who planned the rally that took place on the White House Ellipse on Jan. 6 allegedly used difficult to trace burner phones for their most “high level” communications with former President Trump’s team.

Kylie Kremer, a top official in the “March for Trump” group that helped plan the Ellipse rally, directed an aide to pick up three burner phones days before Jan. 6, according to three sources who were involved in the event. One of the sources, a member of the “March for Trump” team, says Kremer insisted the phones be purchased using cash and described this as being “of the utmost importance.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/jan-6-rally-organizers-trump-white-house-1262122/

[EYESORE 9001]

1. Rhetorical question

Why do we find out about this in Rolling Stone instead of the evening fucking news?

[634-5789]

2. I ask this same question all damn day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Because of policy requiring secrecy in middle of complex investigations. Which Comey broke in 2016

I didn't read the article, but perhaps you forget the long standing Department of Justice policy to not comment about ongoing investigations.

Perhaps you've heard of the principle of Innocent Until Proven Guilty? That's why the policy is in place. And that's why we are so mad Comey broke it late in the 2016 election by announcing the DoJ was investigating Hillary Clinton's emails.

Too young to remember Richard Jewell? Look him up.

The policy is there so people don't get chewed up by investigations.

Authoritarians don't care about such niceties. If tRump succeeded in his coup, do you think investigations of BLM would be by the book?

If we like a policy when it would help us but shit on it when it inconveniences us ... that's not integrity.

[jaxexpat]

6. Fighting fire with fire......recipe for victory or at least a draw.

It will matter little that the rules were followed if the Fascists win power. But that's not really the question. It's more about why can't the msm report the juicy details while they're still relevant? Why are they an aside way after the fact? We're still looking at Trump as an expresident. Why not as a monster that nearly destroyed the country and lies in wait even now?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. So you recommend Democrats go fascist to fight the fascists? No thank you. . . . . nt

[gab13by13]

11. We have a problem that needs addressed.

Many experts agree that white nationalists are more dangerous to us than ISIS. The current laws we have, laws we have to follow, are not sufficient to combat domestic terrorism. We allow the fascist movement to use threats of violence to get honest people to resign from their jobs to be replaced by fascists. We allow the GQP party to fund these fascist groups. We allow the GQP party to openly promote autocracy over democracy and we are afraid to subpoena former Trump officials, afraid to subpoena current GQP politicians because it will violate norms and traditions, because it will give the appearance of a partisan witch hunt.

The greatest threat to our democracy today is people who don't understand that our democracy is hanging by a thread and this situation has only gotten worse, much worse, since 1/6.

I repeat, 11 months since an attempted coup on our government and no one other than pawns has been held accountable.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Yes, white nationalists currently bigger threat than ISIS. Yes, 11 months is a long time.. . . . nt

[triron]

30. Only the foot soldiers are criminally liable it seems. Not the commanding officers.

How convenient for the ringleaders. Mob operation.

[jaxexpat]

14. And that puts the onus on me to defend political sensibilities?

No thank you..... the question remains, how can the collective conscience of the nation know where it's at if the media has essentially conspired to legitimize/normalize outrage?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. I don't want to be any part of fascist measures, even against fascists. Do you?

I'm not talking about measures during violent insurrectionist coup attempt riots.

I'm talking about fascist measures against "the media" and others because someone believes the media and others work "to legitimize/normalize outrage."

Social media are worse. They have not just normalized outrage, they have actively jacked it up by pumping outrage into feeds. They profit from increasing outrage because outraged users are more engaged and the social media sells more advertising for more profit.

Even so ...

I do not want to be part of going fascist.

I don't think the Democratic Party and Democrats in general want to be part of going fascist.

I don't think progressives and liberals want to be part of going fascist.


I'm surprised you want any part in going fascist.

[gab13by13]

19. Laws need changed to combat domestic terrorism,

and it will be impossible to do that when one of the political parties is the problem. How do you suggest that Democrats go about changing the law? It was Facebook and other social media outlets that were instrumental in getting Donald Trump elected president. Social media did not police itself, allowed foreign trolls and bots to infiltrate their forums. How do Democrats pass laws to regulate or break up Facebook when the GQP uses it to pass on disinformation and misinformation.

Do you not agree that once the GQP controls our government that it will stay in power for generations?

[jaxexpat]

24. You got me dead to rights. I hate fascism.

It's the constant fear of false arrest, the knock at the door and prison without trial, the beatings and abuse by LEO's , forced labor. But what I hate more is not preventing it when it's obviously on the menu. Uninformed, otherwise good people cannot defend themselves without motivation. The kind that cannot come without realization of what's happening and what's at stake. Thomas Paine has been given much credit for the success of the American revolution but he was ultimately merely a pamphleteer, the lowest sort of journalist. This is my question then. Shall we let Tucker Carlson dictate the terms upon which our democracy is eviscerated? Without a discouraging word? And a very happy Thanksgiving day to you.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. +1 and I hope you have a good Thanksgiving too. . . . nt

[2Gingersnaps]

17. This speaks to the integrity of the investigation,

Remember Ken Star's leaker in chief, Brett Kavanaugh. You remember Lucianne Goldberg, one of Nixon's dirty tricksters? Mother of the recently outraged Jonah Goldberg of FOX. Lucianne Goldberg was Linda Tripp"s (office gossip bitch from hell-pissed off Bush I lost) adviser as to how to be "friend and adviser" to Monica Lewinsky during the "Whitewater" investigation. So yeah, "Whitewater investigation" was a failed real estate investment that blossomed into a "throw enough shit at the wall hope something sticks" investigation.

And as usual accusations are generally confessions with the Republican crowd, Benghazi? Such is the "Russian hoax."

[Sherman A1]

4. The difference between journalism

And 24/7 drama infotainment designed to fill airtime between ads for drugs we never knew we needed.

In other words……green folding money 💰.

That’s why, but I’m sure that you already knew the answer.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

5. Because the leakers went to RS and not CBS?

[gab13by13]

9. What if you are wrong?

I believe that Occam's Razor applies here. The reason that everything we know about the insurrection is coming from reporters is because they are the only people who are looking for evidence. I hope I am wrong because our democracy is in worse shape right now than it was on 1/6 and nothing, I repeat nothing has been done in 11 months to hold the insurrectionist leaders accountable.

The select committee can prove everything it is trying to prove from Donald Trump on down and it will make zero difference in saving our democracy unless DOJ acts.

If S1 is not passed we will have a near impossible task to keep the House and a 50-50 chance to keep the Senate. Look at what Wisconsin and Michigan are doing right now. Look at what Texas already did. Look at what all states controlled by the GQP are going to do, ensure minority rule for generations.

[wnylib]

10. Were you around during Watergate?

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Have you heard of Deep Throat? The Washington Post journalism team of Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward?

Publications can sometimes get information from voluntary leakers before the courts and Congressional hearings do from secret informants who do not want to go public with inside information.

[gab13by13]

13. Oh the Watergate analogy makes my point.

Who was it who convinced Nixon to resign, was it Democrats or Republicans? During Watergate the Republican party still believed in our democratic form of government. Today's GQP party is promoting autocracy over democracy. Today's GQP understands that because of demographics they are becoming a permanent minority party. So how does a minority party stay in power, certainly not by having fair and free elections.

[wnylib]

18. I don't see how Watergate makes your point.

I do see the difference between Republicans at the time of Watergate and their party today. But I don't see how that ties into published, leaked information during Watergate and leaked, published information today.

[gab13by13]

21. I praise the journalists who are uncovering the truth,

all that we know about the coup attempt has come from reporters. My point is that we already have plenty of information because of the great work by journalists for our DOJ to initiate an investigation into the many threats to our democracy. If DOJ is doing nothing it doesn't matter what journalists uncover, it doesn't matter what the select committee uncovers, what matters is people behind the insurrection need to be held accountable.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. Yes, S1 (voting rights, right?) is extremely important. . . . . nt

[gab13by13]

23. Without S1 it will be a steep climb for Democrats to keep the House.

In Texas the GQP put Al Greene and Sheila Jackson Lee in the same gerrymandered district. I am told Democrats need to GOTV. So who do we GOTV for, Lee of Jackson? Just one example of many where the GQP picked up 1 seat before the voting begins.

Even if Democrats can pass S1 in the Senate I am not convinced that our fascist Supreme Court will side with free and fair elections. 2 Supreme Court justices have stated that they believe in the absolute authority of states to run their own elections.

We are in for a hard row to hoe once the autocrats take power.

[Ford_Prefect]

8. Duplicate post of https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142831056

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142831056

[littlemissmartypants]

29. Duplicate posts are only relevant if posted in LBN.

Anyone can post this content ad infinitum in GD or any other forum/group if they are so inclined, except for LBN.

Content repetition is very common at DU. One only has to monitor Latest Threads to find proof of this.

I hope this helps clarify the process.

❤pants

[The Jungle 1]

20. So now we find out it is ok to shoot peaceful protesters.

The cops lives were being threatened and some were killed. The cops should have been shooting. 1/6 was not a peaceful protest.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Capitol Police had their weapons taken away before Jan 6. . . . nt

[The Jungle 1]

27. I found no verification of that.

Can you provide a source?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. Report to Congress by Michael Bolton, USCP Inspector General,

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-police-riot-report.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-riot-police-report.html

Mr. Bolton found that the agency’s leaders failed to adequately prepare despite explicit warnings that pro-Trump extremists posed a threat to law enforcement and civilians and that the police used defective protective equipment. He also found that the leaders ordered their Civil Disturbance Unit to refrain from using its most powerful crowd-control tools — like stun grenades — to put down the onslaught.

At least one officer had a gun because rioters mobbed him and the "tourists" shouted "Kill him with his own gun". But in the article there was also mention that many munitions were past their expiry date.

Sund resigned in disgrace and there is lots of indications he did not take the warnings seriously or down-played them for some corrupt goal.

There is some confusion about the DC National Guard, and I think I was overbroad in thinking it covered the Capitol police too.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/national-guard-capitol-riot/

Did Trump Defense Secretary ‘Disarm’ DC National Guard Before Insurrection?
The claim stemmed from a Jan. 4 memo authored by former acting Defense Security Christopher Miller.

Verdict: Mixture.

[The Jungle 1]

32. So the Capital police did have guns.

No big deal my statement was mostly rhetorical in nature. I agree with the capital police in their restraint because gunfire would have caused a much bigger response from the treasonous terrorist scum who tried to destroy our nation. If the capital police had military weapons they would been able to hold the line.
Where is this nation headed?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

33. No problem about the posts. Thank you for making me look up the facts. . . . nt

[Cracklin Charlie]

22. Consciousness of guilt.

They knew that what they were planning was illegal.

[MineralMan]

28. Mens Rea, that is.

[Farmer-Rick]

34. In defense of burner phones

I only buy burner phones. For about $100 a year you get a full plan. They can do everything that other phones do. They are cheap to purchase and cheap to maintain and use. I'd be surprised if I spent more than $300 a year on cell phones using what everyone calls burner phones.

But these guys weren't buying them to reduce costs....