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AllaN01Bear

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It's mostly driven by the pseudochristian cults. Jews are always their target. Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #1
And if that isn't the complete explanation... Septua Nov 2021 #8
Yes. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #9
Facebook. Initech Nov 2021 #2
I would if I knew. Same reason as hatred of anyone not just like them? I don't think they would be LoisB Nov 2021 #3
They love Israel because MurrayDelph Nov 2021 #26
Confuse a Christian by asking them what parts of the Bible they follow if it is the word of God LonePirate Nov 2021 #32
Not sure I Delphinus Nov 2021 #4
Here's some good reading about anti-semitism since you never heard about it emulatorloo Nov 2021 #12
Us vs Them elleng Nov 2021 #18
thanks for your comprehensive research. i tried google and others with AllaN01Bear Nov 2021 #34
interisting link AllaN01Bear Nov 2021 #35
More correctly, that's ISRAEL's treatment of Palestinians. elleng Nov 2021 #13
True. Delphinus Nov 2021 #33
Are there any Jews around in your area... electric_blue68 Nov 2021 #29
Here's some info... Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #5
What the hell? DURHAM D Nov 2021 #7
Antisemitism has been around for hundreds of years. Ron Green Nov 2021 #6
Thanks elleng Nov 2021 #15
It's been going on in the world for thousands of years. jalan48 Nov 2021 #10
Yes it has. elleng Nov 2021 #16
Cause this country is stupid as shit Cosmocat Nov 2021 #11
A lot of it is because the Catholic church banned usury, and Jews became synonymous with usury. sop Nov 2021 #14
PART of it, at least. elleng Nov 2021 #17
One of the right's favorite anti-Semitic tropes is that of the "money-grubbing, Jewish Banker." sop Nov 2021 #20
Anti-Semitism at its worst. Aristus Nov 2021 #28
White xtian supremacy, fragility and jealousy. radius777 Nov 2021 #19
not 'BUT also' dangerous, elleng Nov 2021 #21
No, the far-right views Nordic whites as most intelligent, radius777 Nov 2021 #23
I feel 'devious or parasitic intelligence' directly related to 'usury' issue mentioned elsewhere, elleng Nov 2021 #24
Yes, I agree, it goes back that far and probably before that. radius777 Nov 2021 #25
Are you sure it's xtian supremacy and only that? jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #30
as a people, they are studious, hard working and intelligent with close knit families Shellback Squid Nov 2021 #22
Where are you seeing it? n/t left-of-center2012 Nov 2021 #27
Maybe they stumbled across a Louis Farrakhan speech on YouTube. jcmaine72 Nov 2021 #31
The current antisemitism is tapping into an ancient well peggysue2 Nov 2021 #36
I wish I knew myself. ForgedCrank Nov 2021 #37
Poor white trash think Jews have money traitorsgalore Nov 2021 #38
Goes back to pagan Roman days. Emperor Hadrian did hs best to exterminate the Jews. Kaleva Nov 2021 #39
Jews ritually sacrifice Christian children at Passover to obtain blood for unleavened bread. Brother Buzz Nov 2021 #40
It has always been here...we refused to help stop the atrocities in Germany during WWII... Demsrule86 Nov 2021 #41

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
1. It's mostly driven by the pseudochristian cults. Jews are always their target.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:17 AM
Nov 2021


Outside of that, I can't tell you. It is certainly another one of the many, many problems
that reliugions cause.

Septua

(2,279 posts)
8. And if that isn't the complete explanation...
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:28 AM
Nov 2021

..just chalk it up to xenophobia, racism, bigotry and white supremacy.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
9. Yes. nt
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:32 AM
Nov 2021

Initech

(100,202 posts)
2. Facebook.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:19 AM
Nov 2021

LoisB

(7,301 posts)
3. I would if I knew. Same reason as hatred of anyone not just like them? I don't think they would be
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:20 AM
Nov 2021

able to articulate a reason. They hate Jews but love Israel??? Makes no sense to me.

MurrayDelph

(5,313 posts)
26. They love Israel because
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:49 AM
Nov 2021

they hope that causing a war in the Middle East will bring the return of their imaginary friend, who if he DID come back would kick them all in the ass for ignoring everything he taught.

LonePirate

(13,469 posts)
32. Confuse a Christian by asking them what parts of the Bible they follow if it is the word of God
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 03:59 AM
Nov 2021

Delphinus

(11,859 posts)
4. Not sure I
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:23 AM
Nov 2021

have seen or heard about hatred of Jews. I know many certainly don't approve of their treatment of Palestinians.

emulatorloo

(44,302 posts)
12. Here's some good reading about anti-semitism since you never heard about it
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:06 AM
Nov 2021
https://www.adl.org/anti-semitism

Much more at link:



Antisemitism

The belief or behavior hostile toward Jews just because they are Jewish. It may take the form of religious teachings that proclaim the inferiority of Jews, for instance, or political efforts to isolate, oppress, or otherwise injure them. It may also include prejudiced or stereotyped views about Jews.

Hostility toward Jews dates to ancient times, perhaps to the beginning of Jewish history. From the days of the Bible until the Roman Empire, Jews were criticized and sometimes punished for their efforts to remain a separate social and religious group — one that refused to adopt the values and the way of life of the non-Jewish societies in which it lived.

The rise of Christianity greatly increased hatred of Jews. They became seen not merely as outsiders but as a people who rejected Jesus and crucified him — despite the fact that the Roman authorities ordered and carried out the crucifixion. By the high middle ages (11th-14th centuries), Jews were widely persecuted as barely human "Christ-killers" and "Devils." Forced to live in all-Jewish ghettos, they were accused of poisoning rivers and wells during times of disease. Some were tortured and executed for supposedly abducting and killing Christian children to drink their blood or to use it in baking matzoh — a charge known as the "blood libel." A large number were forced to convert to Christianity to avoid death, torture, or expulsion, though many secretly practiced Judaism after their conversions. (In recent times, the Catholic church and other Christian churches have rejected these antisemitic falsehoods.)

In the 18th century, as the influence of Christianity began to lessen during the Enlightenment — which celebrated the rights and possibilities of men and women to a far greater extent than ever before — religiously based hatred of Jewishness gave way to non-religious criticism: Judaism was attacked as an outdated belief that blocked human progress. Jewish separatism was again targeted. As European countries began to take modern shape in the 19th century and national pride grew, Jews, who were still usually deprived of civil rights and lived throughout Europe as outsiders, were subjected to further hostility. This hostility resulted at times in deadly persecution, as in the late-19th century Russian pogroms — violent attacks on Jewish communities with the aid or indifference of the government.

At the same time, in response to the decline of Christian belief and the growing number of Jews beginning to join the mainstream of European society (a trend known as "assimilation&quot , antisemites turned to the new "racial science," an attempt, since discredited, by various scientists and writers to "prove" the supremacy of non-Jewish whites. The opponents of Jews argued that Jewishness was not a religion but a racial category, and that the Jewish "race" was biologically inferior.

The belief in a Jewish race would later become Germany's justification for seeking to kill every Jewish person in lands Germany occupied during World War II, whether the person practiced Judaism or not. In fact, even the children or grandchildren of those who had converted to Christianity were murdered as members of the Jewish race.

The Holocaust, as this systematic mass extermination between 1939-1945 is known, resulted in the death of six million Jews — more than a third of the world's Jewish population. While the rise to power of the Nazis (Germany's leaders during World War II) in the 1920s and 1930s involved numerous social and political factors, the views that helped turn antisemitism into official government policy included belief in the inborn superiority of "Aryans," or whites; belief that Jews destroyed societies; that Jews secretly worked together to gain control of the world; and that Jews already controlled world finance, business, media, entertainment, and Communism.

Much more at link

elleng

(131,718 posts)
18. Us vs Them
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:15 AM
Nov 2021

AllaN01Bear

(19,166 posts)
34. thanks for your comprehensive research. i tried google and others with
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:46 AM
Nov 2021

various search terms and no joy.

AllaN01Bear

(19,166 posts)
35. interisting link
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:48 AM
Nov 2021

elleng

(131,718 posts)
13. More correctly, that's ISRAEL's treatment of Palestinians.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:10 AM
Nov 2021

Delphinus

(11,859 posts)
33. True.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:37 AM
Nov 2021

I wish I had been more clear about that in my response.

electric_blue68

(15,107 posts)
29. Are there any Jews around in your area...
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:34 AM
Nov 2021

Asking only bc I'm an ex Catholic (and Non Christian) who remains Spiritual; but
I lived in a NYC 2/3rds Jewish neighborhood from 7 - 17 y/o, to one that was ? 50%- 35% as the decades went on for another 30+ years so I know a fair amount about that.
They ran from Conservative, Reform to Secular Jews.

So I've never met anyone who said they didn't know about anti-Semitism.

There's a fair amount of liberal to progressive Jews (whether believers or not) here in the USA, and in Isreal who also aren't happy with Israel's treatment of The Palestinians.

I like Tikkun a liberal progressive Jewish magazine. 👍

There's also Seeds of Peace that started in Israel bringing Jewish, Arab Israelies, and Palestinians children together, then expanded to bringing children of any war torn country together. 👍

DURHAM D

(32,622 posts)
7. What the hell?
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:26 AM
Nov 2021

From the article -

The first governmental incident of anti-Jewish sentiment was recorded during the American Civil War, when General Ulysses S. Grant issued a General Order (quickly rescinded by President Abraham Lincoln) of expulsion against Jews from the portions of Tennessee, Kentucky and Mississippi that were under his control.

Ron Green

(9,825 posts)
6. Antisemitism has been around for hundreds of years.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:25 AM
Nov 2021

That said, American culture and character is deeply formed by Jewish writers, performers and business people since the days of Vaudeville to the present.

The State of Israel’s shabby treatment of Palestinians has, in recent years, confused the issues of Jewishness and its trials, safety in a homeland, and just plain racism.

Maybe this helps; others may disagree.

elleng

(131,718 posts)
15. Thanks
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:11 AM
Nov 2021

jalan48

(13,946 posts)
10. It's been going on in the world for thousands of years.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 12:33 AM
Nov 2021

elleng

(131,718 posts)
16. Yes it has.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:11 AM
Nov 2021

'Us vs Them'

Cosmocat

(14,610 posts)
11. Cause this country is stupid as shit
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:01 AM
Nov 2021

Way too many people prone to lap up right wing hate framing.

sop

(10,393 posts)
14. A lot of it is because the Catholic church banned usury, and Jews became synonymous with usury.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:10 AM
Nov 2021

Jews became moneylenders when the Church in the 12th and 13th centuries prohibited Christians from collecting interest from other Christians. However, the Church permitted Jews to lend to Christians at interest. Many Jews in Europe, excluded from landholding and belonging to crafts guilds, turned to usury as a living.

elleng

(131,718 posts)
17. PART of it, at least.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:12 AM
Nov 2021

sop

(10,393 posts)
20. One of the right's favorite anti-Semitic tropes is that of the "money-grubbing, Jewish Banker."
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:22 AM
Nov 2021

Aristus

(66,633 posts)
28. Anti-Semitism at its worst.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:07 AM
Nov 2021

European Christians forbade Jews from practicing the professions; medicine, law, teaching, engineering, etc. Sometimes, the only way to make a living (Jews were turned away from trade unions, too) was to lend money. And then the Christians decided to hate them for that, as well.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
19. White xtian supremacy, fragility and jealousy.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:21 AM
Nov 2021

Jews are a highly successful minority. In Western society only white xtian protestants are 'supposed' to be at the top, even Catholics initially faced blowback.

Jews are also blamed by the far-right for attempting to 'depurify' xtian whites and 'destroy' the traditional white order via various policies (globalism, diversity, social justice etc).

The far-right views Jews as highly intelligent, but also dangerous. So IOW it is also a form of projection.

elleng

(131,718 posts)
21. not 'BUT also' dangerous,
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:27 AM
Nov 2021

highly intelligent AND dangerous, or highly intelligent = dangerous, related to FEAR of intelligence.

Related to Talmudic scholarship.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
23. No, the far-right views Nordic whites as most intelligent,
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:30 AM
Nov 2021

ie the ideal white person, like Hitler did. But they view it as a 'beautiful' intelligence where they see the Jews as having a devious or parasitic intelligence.

So it's not just fear of intelligence; but fear of non-white/non-xtian intelligence.

elleng

(131,718 posts)
24. I feel 'devious or parasitic intelligence' directly related to 'usury' issue mentioned elsewhere,
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:36 AM
Nov 2021

#14.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
25. Yes, I agree, it goes back that far and probably before that.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:39 AM
Nov 2021

Antisemitism is deeply embedded in Western culture and has spread to other cultures.

jcmaine72

(1,776 posts)
30. Are you sure it's xtian supremacy and only that?
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:50 AM
Nov 2021

Probably the most vocal, unabashed and virulent antisemite in contemporary American life is actually a Muslim, Louis Farrakhan. Is it xtian supremacy that drives his noxious hatred of Jews?

This man has called Jews such things as "bloodsuckers" and "Satanic" (among other things) in the past and yet he got to sit with a former President at a funeral. How many Catholic hate-peddlers can make that claim?

Shellback Squid

(8,946 posts)
22. as a people, they are studious, hard working and intelligent with close knit families
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:30 AM
Nov 2021

and they are persecuted by the ignorant, the barbaric and the jealous

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
27. Where are you seeing it? n/t
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:58 AM
Nov 2021

jcmaine72

(1,776 posts)
31. Maybe they stumbled across a Louis Farrakhan speech on YouTube.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:55 AM
Nov 2021

peggysue2

(10,905 posts)
36. The current antisemitism is tapping into an ancient well
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 10:55 AM
Nov 2021

Jews have been the favorite scapegoat for over two millennia dating back to Roman times and the Crucifixion.

Old habits die hard, something most Jews know all too well.

ForgedCrank

(1,804 posts)
37. I wish I knew myself.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:34 AM
Nov 2021

I've never quite understood it completely, but probably mainly because there is so much history and it has been an issue for so long, I'm just not up to reading everything there is about it. It's not an American problem, it is mostly an everyone problem and has been an issue for centuries best I can tell.
It seems to span from the generic and unfounded hatred of Jews in the US, all the way to Europe, and even worse in the local countries surrounding Israel.
It's always been an odd thing to me. Up until maybe 10 years ago, I couldn't point out a Jew in a crowd. Even now, I still struggle figuring it out except in the worst of the caricatures depicted in terrible cartoons.
My only guess is that it all has roots in the stories told in The Bible, and morphed over the centuries from there. I'm not sure how that is relevant in the modern world, but people really are weird when it comes to stuff like this. It can mostly never be explained with reasoning. It's the same for pretty much all racial hatred.

traitorsgalore

(1,398 posts)
38. Poor white trash think Jews have money
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:34 PM
Nov 2021

and therefore control everything!

Kaleva

(36,478 posts)
39. Goes back to pagan Roman days. Emperor Hadrian did hs best to exterminate the Jews.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:55 PM
Nov 2021

"Hadrian resolved to stamp the Jews and their religion out of existence. He sold all Jewish prisoners into slavery, forbade the teaching of the Torah, renamed the province Syria Palaestina, and changed Jerusalem’s name to Aelia Capitolina (although scholars are divided over whether to place Jerusalem’s name change before or after the revolt). Synagogues were replaced with Roman temples. More painful was his edict barring Jews from so much as looking upon their fallen capital. Many prominent rabbis violated this edict and martyred themselves in the process. Hadrian’s efforts had a lasting effect: the Jews would not regain control of their ancestral homeland for over 1,800 years."

https://www.britannica.com/story/what-was-hadrians-relationship-with-his-jewish-subjects

Historian Tacitus on the Jews:

"The other practices of the Jews are sinister and revolting, and have entrenched themselves by their very wickedness. Wretches of the most abandoned kind who had no use for the religion of their fathers took to contributing dues and free-will offerings to swell the Jewish exchequer; and other reasons for their increasing wealth way be found in their stubborn loyalty and ready benevolence towards brother Jews. But the rest of the world they confront with the hatred reserved for enemies. They will not feed or intermarry with gentiles. Though a most lascivious people, the Jews avoid sexual intercourse with women of alien race. Among themselves nothing is barred. They have introduced the practice of circumcision to show that they are different from others. Proselytes to Jewry adopt the same practices, and the very first lesson they learn is to despise the gods, shed all feelings of patriotism, and consider parents, children and brothers as readily expendable. "

https://www.livius.org/sources/content/tacitus/tacitus-on-the-jews/

Brother Buzz

(36,527 posts)
40. Jews ritually sacrifice Christian children at Passover to obtain blood for unleavened bread.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:04 PM
Nov 2021

Stated to me for a fact. I only tell it as I got it. I am willing to believe it. I can believe anything.

Demsrule86

(68,977 posts)
41. It has always been here...we refused to help stop the atrocities in Germany during WWII...
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:23 PM
Nov 2021

The mainstream protestants wouldn't allow Jews in their country clubs or golf clubs for years...there has always been discrimination against Jews in this country. Many of the worst sorts are found in the GOP these days...but some on the far left are on board too because of the Palestinians.

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