When did you know that the Slobfather was a fascist

[malaise]

I sensed it early - when he started giving orders to corporations.

[unblock]

1. i knew it way back, from his interviews with howard stern

[malaise]

2. This

https://hulu.tv/2HmIEdH

[FalloutShelter]

7. Me too. I'm a NYer

We have know what a racist, fascist, POS he is for decades.

[Mary in S. Carolina]

9. When he took out a full page ad

in the New York Times, The Daily News, The New York Post and New York News Day, falsely claiming that 5 underaged black boys raped a white women. This claim was a lie and cost the city of New York taxpayer's 41 million dollars in damages and millions of taxpayer's dollars paid to prisons (probably corporate owned). Did you know some corporate prisons are traded on the stock exchange?

[Blue_Adept]

3. It's been known for some time, but it really became clearer in 2015.

[panader0]

4. When he started his railing about Obama's birth certificate.

I had never seen the Apprentice and didn't know his history.
Then when he became a candidate, came down the escalator and said his BS about our
southern neighbors, I saw his nature. That solidified my distain. It got much worse than
distain pretty quickly.

[malaise]

5. Like you I didn't watch the Apprentice

I knew he was racist when he pushed that crap about Obama,

[marble falls]

6. When the Federal government gaurenteed one billion of his debt to keep a NY bank ...

... from failing in the nineties.

[BeckyDem]

16. +1.

Perfect.

[Johnny2X2X]

8. Central Park 5

Goes back to that for me, when he took out a full page ad calling for their deaths, I knew this man was a fascist.

[malaise]

11. To me that suggested racist

not fascist

[Johnny2X2X]

20. Calling for the death of people just accused of a crime is fascist.

Of course, he's a raging racist too.

[packman]

10. When he started with that term "fake news"

He just wasn't a concern until I heard him using those words.

[malaise]

13. Yeh that was another clue

He sure borrowed from the fascists language

[marybourg]

14. I'm a N.Y.-er. During the Presidential campaign

when I was asked what I thought of tRump, I actually said:”He’s an insane, traitorous fascist.”

[malaise]

17. You New Yorkers were on to him big time

a d you nailed it.

[Scrivener7]

15. In the late 80s. He ruined a friend of my father's who had the bad judgment to work on his

buildings.

Just flat out refused to pay the guy for services rendered. The guy, who had had a successful company, went bankrupt.

No reason for it. He did it for fun.

[malaise]

19. WOW!

Well he's a well known thief - corrupt to the core

[ananda]

21. I've thought of the GOP as fascist for years!

IOW, anyone GOP is a fascist.

[BeckyDem]

22. Technically one would have to support the violent overthrow of the entire government.

So he reached that later after he lost. BUT, scholars have described everything he did leading up to the insurrection as profoundly disturbing. The Muslim ban, right out of the gate, remember that? But they say that was not enough.

I'm not a scholar, far from it. For me, he set the tone for what was to come when he said he could shoot someone and his base would not care. Why would someone brag about such a thing unless they planned to use that power?

[fwvinson]

23. I never watched the Apprentice, is that the name of it?

I never looked at or certainly didn't read supermarket rags like Enquire.
I saw him roll down this elevator and announce his Pres. run. I thought it was a joke, or some TV show promo.
Then he started rolling through the debates with BS.
Had no idea so many people could possibly support such a dunce.
I followed David Corn as he wrote his book "Russian Roulette" which researched Trump and co. from 1987 forward.
Extremely informative book on who this Trump clown is.
Should be required reading in High Schools and College.

[AngryOldDem]

24. When he defended the white supremacists in Charlottesville.

But I had suspicions long before that.

[Silent3]

25. There were plenty of signs far back Trump was a horrible person and a demagogue, but his fascist...

...tendencies specifically came out in his campaign speeches for the 2016 election. "I alone can fix it" was a key danger signal.

Maybe there were warning signs of fascism in his early failed bid for the Republican nomination, but I don't remember that very well.

[Tom Rinaldo]

26. Big distintction between having a facist disposition and attempting to consolidate facist authority

The former is an ideological bent of mind which unfortunately is not all that rare. The latter requires a singular focus of will and attention to the mechanics of domination; it takes a major ongoing effort that few find worth the effort/risk to undertake.

When Trump first took office I didn't think Trump had it in him to do the work needed to become a true authoritarian "leader." I thought he would settle for the grift and vain trappings of power and adulation he sucked up from his hardcore base. I thought he was too lazy to pull off a systematic consolidation of power on a scale that reached down to the local Republican Party and governatorial apparatus in all 50 states. I got that wrong big time.

I think I finally got how serious Trump was about actually seizing presonal power when I posted this OP here on May 10, 2019:

"Trump isn't "Goading." He is Seizing Power".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212087646#post2

[sciencescience]

27. when he said "Hitler did a lot of good things"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book

[malaise]

31. Yes that did raise eyebrows

Good reminder

[LakeArenal]

28. Donald Trump has always been a narcissist.

It’s not such a huge step to Fascist, is it?

Fake billionaire narcissist, once leaned blue.
Couldn’t get Dems into his Russian financial schemes. Switched to become GOP fascist leader to get Democracy into Russian political schemes.

[Raven]

29. "Opportunist" was the only label I put on him and that covers just about everything. I

really don't think he believed in anything, not even himself. He was a scared little fat man. To steal your line, Malaise, That is all.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

30. That was my conclusion

Upon learning of it's candidacy. Immediately...

[0rganism]

32. 2015 - Escalator day

That's some freakin' Mussolini bullshit right there

It was already clear he was a racist asshole, but from the beginning his campaign events really told the full story of how he intended to reshape the nation on behalf of its stupidest and most violent inhabitants.

[Poiuyt]

33. I started having suspicions early in his campaign, but it didn't become pelucid until

he started calling for violence against people who protested against him.

[malaise]

34. He also joked about staying in office for three terms

It was not funny but the media continued to give him a pass

[Poiuyt]

35. Yes! Once could have been interpreted as being a joke

but when he kept on talking about it meant he was serious.

What a vile man. Even for a fascist, he's particularly vile.