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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI tried to go shopping this morning.
I wanted to go to some small local shops to help them a little bit. The first store had a sign saying that masking was required. I went in, one other customer came in unmasked, the owner asked them to please wear a mask. The guy lost his mind, began screaming about it not being legal in America to require it, he said he was going to call the cops.
I could not hold my tongue, I told him it was a free country, he could go find a disease friendly shop to shop in. He glared at me screamed "damn liberal we should shoot every one of you". I picked up my phone to call 911, told him what I was doing, he almost fell down running out of the store. I asked the owner if she wanted to call the police, she declined. She told me it was common occurrence.
These people talk a good game but they know they are wrong, they know they could get arrested, the flee like little chickens when you stand up to them. We have to start calling them out, they are clearly dangerous.
DeeNice
(575 posts)"the mask" hill to die on.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)If they make it about masks, it is not about race and easier to sell.
blm
(113,112 posts)soldierant
(6,938 posts)admit to being a racist ...
why be one?
Oh, wait, we're talking MAGAt logic. Never mind.
highplainsdem
(49,045 posts)were just a joke. I even had a RW relative who talked about it, haha, till reminded how many family members are liberals.
Now the assholes sound much more serious about it.
mahina
(17,715 posts)And try to conquer.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)For a while, it seemed like nobody but me and store employees were wearing masks, but I'm seeing more customers in masks again. I just got back from the supermarket, and noticed that right away. At local businesses, if I go in and the people working there aren't masked, I just turn around and take my masked face somewhere else to shop, after saying, "No masks. No customer."
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)if I did that.
Lonestarblue
(10,106 posts)Sogo
(4,997 posts)MyMission
(1,851 posts)I work in retail, and many customers do wear one, or have one ready and put it on when they see we are all masked. Although there are many who don't wear one, some ask if they need to wear one and would do so if we required it. We don't. Others state they've been vaccinated and gotten boosters, their reason for not wearing one. Still, seeing more wearing a mask too.
Masks are not required, only recommended, by the CDC and NC. My bosses do not have a sign asking people to wear one as we did when it was mandatory. Folks wear them on airplanes, and while we all hear about the occasional maskhole, most flight are peaceful and folks comply. I think many people would wear one if requested and required in most settings.
It's like people do risk calculation in their heads, and put the mask on when numbers climb, feel more secure when they start going down and are less likely to wear one diligently. I've continued to wear a good quality mask, to protect myself from COVID, colds and flu. Common sense.
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)MyMission
(1,851 posts)Since the vaccine has been available in 2021 and since the CDC announced masks are not required for those who are fully vaccinated. Corporations are shifting to vaccines being required, but not masks. I think masks should still be required. Then the idiots who aren't vaccinated would have to wear them instead of going maskless and pretending they're vaccinated.
Different states, cities, counties, as well as large corporations to small businesses have different policies or mandates on masks. And these change, based on numbers going up or down.
Lots of vaccinated have taken their masks off, but very few unvaccinated have continued to wear masks, if they ever did.
Farmer-Rick
(10,216 posts)"Everyone 2 years or older who is not fully vaccinated should wear a mask in indoor public places.
In general, you do not need to wear a mask in outdoor settings.
In areas with high numbers of COVID-19 cases, consider wearing a mask in crowded outdoor settings and for activities with close contact with others who are not fully vaccinated.
People who have a condition or are taking medications that weaken their immune system may not be fully protected even if they are fully vaccinated. They should continue to take all precautions recommended for unvaccinated people, including wearing a well-fitted mask, until advised otherwise by their healthcare provider.
If you are fully vaccinated, to maximize protection and prevent possibly spreading COVID-19 to others, wear a mask indoors in public if you are in an area of substantial or high transmission."
So yeah, they are not recommending wearing masks in all indoor spaces, except for the unvaccinated.
IL Dem
(816 posts)Very busy. Only saw 2 without masks.
AllaN01Bear
(18,534 posts)compliance . at our local walmart about 50/50. im setting up an appointment for my 3d shot. many below the nosers or under the chin , which dosent help. im glad she threatend to cal 911. i would have gone full krakatoa on him.
mahina
(17,715 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they constitute a real and present danger to our democracy.
However, absolutely no to challenging "clearly dangerous" people. Someone who's "lost his mind" and "screaming" is likely to react dangerously to accelerant.
Responding calmly, reasonably and firmly to a raised, resentful voice would be quite different of course.
How was the shop owner responding to what reporteldy is a common occurrence?
Btw, only one person has ever called me liberal (to my face of course) in a way that was clearly meant as less than complimentary, but it was in civil company. I mumbled something on whatever the subject was but by then recovered enough to smile and admit being pleased that the "liberal" showed.
Imo, it's a fine compliment, including from those who have no idea what liberalism is but are very sure I'm not one of them. Double compliment.
70sEraVet
(3,524 posts)The next one you stand up to that runs out of the store, may be running to get his gun out of his car. There have been too many of these instances.
My youngest son is a manager in a mall clothing store, and he spends the majority of his working hours telling customers to mask up or leave the store. I worry about him every day.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)porton of the violent incidents across the entire nation.
It can make it hard to keep perspective, but the chance that your son will be attacked by a customer is extremely small, and seriously injured microscopic. I've always worried more about our kids on the roads, but I wouldn't say so because I know it'd just irritate them and make them discuss how long until they have to take over my care.
AllaN01Bear
(18,534 posts)i wear that badge of honor proudly. and snowflake and others too also.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)As an adolescent in the '60s I felt so pityingly superior to unfortunates like that that the worse someone was the more impossible to offend me. It'd actually be very useful to recapture some of my delusional teen self. I'm so comparatively easily offended now that I'd have been embarrassed for my future self.
fwvinson
(488 posts)I will quickly tell people I'm very liberal.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)whether people are conservative or liberal just by grooming style. Conservatives overall put more effort into looking good, and conservative women's styles tend to be more feminine than liberals. Maybe that's your "problem."
(Remembering Hillary hair, and my own straight graying bob, about now.)
jaxexpat
(6,862 posts)of the belligerent maskhole instead of the 911 caller.
CrispyQ
(36,540 posts)but the stores don't enforce it like they did last year. Still, I noticed the customers without masks don't look those of us with masks in the eye. They know they're assholes.
AllaN01Bear
(18,534 posts)a higly red district and county . both the chief and head sherrif are rs .
Botany
(70,614 posts)n/t
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)Botany
(70,614 posts)... Christian Taliban-Evangelicals and you have created millions of idiots who don't know
their ass from their elbow*. And I have no doubt that Putin has been feeding and funding
those entities for years. I remember seeing Hannity all nervous when it came up about
some kind of Russia/Fox News connection.
* "Joe Biden is a socialist." R you kidding me? How many credit card banks are in the State of
Delaware? And I am sure Biden helped get them there too.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)If they keep pushing that is what they will get.
ShazzieB
(16,564 posts)It won't hurt for them to hear it. Just don't expect any kind of, what do you call it? Oh yes, comprehension.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Most of these MAGAts will cower in their basements if violence breaks out.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)there is a small percentage of these fools who won't flee when confronted and some of them can be dangerous.
The behavior of these people is alarming. Would they have a meltdown if a store told them they had to wear a shirt or shoes? Do they consider that illegal? The past few years have made me realize how fragile and insubstantial civility is in a society. It takes so little for a lot of people to fall apart when the order and structure of their world starts to weaken. If our institutions do not hold, we will be living in a dystopian world in a short period of time.
That said, I love how you handled it!
Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)Nixon mandated speed limit on interstates from 70 to 55 to save gas. Reagan mandated drinking age from 18 to 21. If states didnt comply, they got their road funds cut. Mandates are not a new thing. Of course, here in WV, they took power from the health departments. The local county governments have health decision making power. I am really starting to hate WV when I used to love it.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)We live in a world with rules and regulations and people adjust. Some of these idiots would be the first to complain or call the cops if someone else broke a rule though. They tend to cherry-pick what laws and regulations they are willing to obey, like it is optional - "Stop at the red light if it isn't too inconvenient" or "No smoking in the hospital if you don't mind".
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)I cooked/managed/bar tended/bounced for a year or so at my local neighborhood dive bar in 2017/18.
I had two or three occasions where a drunk woman - known trumpers all 3 - took off their heels/shoes and walked around in bare or stocking feet...had to tell them to put them back on or they had to leave - owner was strict about that policy due to Health Dept regulations and fines.
In all cases to a lesser or greater extent they threw loud whiny tantrums. 2018 versions of RW Karen.
One would take them off as soon as I left the game room, not knowing I could watch her do it live on the bar security cameras...I had fun toying with her, always seeming to appear almost as soon as she took them off again. The last time I got tired of playing the game and finally threw her and her party out - they were simply way too loud, obnoxious, and trashed and bothering other customers.
PatSeg
(47,649 posts)and I must admit that in my much younger days, I sometimes took off my shoes to dance, BUT I always kept my shirt on!
Of course, if anyone told me to put my shoes back on, I would have done so without a hassle.
Looking back, having worked in restaurants, stores, and bars, there were always a few who resisted the rules, but nothing like we see today with mask requirements. The bizarre resistance seems to be infectious.
eShirl
(18,505 posts)chickenshit inside
Sogo
(4,997 posts)I love that he almost fell down running to get out....
Snackshack
(2,541 posts)He really means this.
He glared at me screamed "damn liberal we should shoot every one of you".
Most of them are the the type who would not cross this line by themselves but there are some who would and most would follow the one who did. This is what the Hannitys, Ingrahams, Carlsons and GOP like Jordan, Brooks, Gosar have done. They have fomented hate so pervasively that Americans are to this point. It is disgusting and it should be a crime. These people definitely need to be called out and the businesses that still fund them boycott.
The thing about this that really is disconcerting is that this is not over a policy issue like relations with Cuba or a new Healthcare initiative. Its literally about life & death and these people are still supporting the insanity.
Lucky Luciano
(11,264 posts)TeamProg
(6,292 posts)yardwork
(61,715 posts)My racist relatives talk about "no go" zones in California where it's supposedly dangerous to set foot in certain neighborhoods. THEIR communities are becoming the "no go" zones. THEY are the crazy dangerous people who might do anything.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,050 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)shop for me, bring it to the car, a free service over $35, may never put up with maskless shoppers again.
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Ferryboat
(925 posts)The Rittenhouse effect. Itching to show the libs whose the real patriots.
Lunabell
(6,127 posts)These people are despicable violent gun nuts. It's getting scarier and scarier. But I won't back down!!
DENVERPOPS
(8,862 posts)to see the insurrectionist's behavior if they had met an adequate force defending the Capitol, which is what should have happened.
They are chicken shits at heart. Brazen when they are armed, and in a 100-1 ratio.
I am with those that say, if all of the Capitol protection people had been armed, followed normal protocol, and dropped them in their tracks if they came through the windows and doors that they broke down, the rest of the "brave" seditionists would have tucked tail and run.............
bluboid
(563 posts)thank you for showing us how it's done.
cayugafalls
(5,646 posts)I live in a very red area in Texas. Still wear a mask. Not once have I got called out, glared at or even asked about it.
Maybe it's my demeanor or my glaring blue eyes. Who knows.
I did have one conversation while waiting to get my booster shot. Nice fellow asked if I was getting the flu shot. I told him nope, just the covid booster. He nodded his head and asked me why I was getting the booster, he was unmasked, but he was there for the flu shot. I told him because my doctor had asked me to get it.
He merely nodded and told me to take care of myself and have a good day.
I was kind of pleasantly surprised at how civil the conversation was in total.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)except with an element of reaching out that once wouldn't have been there. And a simple "my doctor asked me to get it."
Hotler
(11,452 posts)discriminate against the dirty hippies (liberals) back in the 70's? Just add one more word to the sign.
No Shirt
No shoes
No Mask
No Service.
Anyway, you can't reason with them, it's wasted energy.
Irish_Dem
(47,525 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)it just seems to me that is has come down to the rawest common denominator.
I would say it is between the stupid and the smart but it is something deeper and more important - I think we call it simple empathy.
Evolve Dammit
(16,783 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)mrsadm
(1,198 posts)I mean, why don't they just answer "I'd prefer not to" in a calm voice. Why all the anger and fits?
Kid Berwyn
(14,992 posts)Seems to be a common refrain among the traitors.
FTR: You are my hero, redstatebluegirl.