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Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:49 PM

By far, the scariest Covid warning yet


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Reply By far, the scariest Covid warning yet (Original post)
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 OP
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #1
IronLionZion Dec 2021 #32
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #44
wnylib Dec 2021 #48
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #49
wnylib Dec 2021 #51
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #52
wnylib Dec 2021 #54
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #55
wnylib Dec 2021 #57
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #61
VarryOn Dec 2021 #58
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #62
VarryOn Dec 2021 #63
VarryOn Dec 2021 #2
choie Dec 2021 #17
usedtobedemgurl Dec 2021 #56
appalachiablue Dec 2021 #3
Brainfodder Dec 2021 #4
lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #5
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #9
lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #15
lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #19
Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #10
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #14
crimycarny Dec 2021 #20
yaesu Dec 2021 #33
lapfog_1 Dec 2021 #38
wnylib Dec 2021 #50
NightWatcher Dec 2021 #6
alittlelark Dec 2021 #8
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #11
I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2021 #7
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #18
xmas74 Dec 2021 #26
I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2021 #42
xmas74 Dec 2021 #53
Hortensis Dec 2021 #59
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #12
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #16
BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #21
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #25
BigmanPigman Dec 2021 #29
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #34
SheltieLover Dec 2021 #45
csziggy Dec 2021 #60
mountain grammy Dec 2021 #22
Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #23
xmas74 Dec 2021 #28
mountain grammy Dec 2021 #35
AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #47
housecat Dec 2021 #24
budkin Dec 2021 #27
LudwigPastorius Dec 2021 #30
halfulglas Dec 2021 #31
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #36
gab13by13 Dec 2021 #37
NullTuples Dec 2021 #43
C Moon Dec 2021 #39
The Magistrate Dec 2021 #40
C Moon Dec 2021 #41
AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #46


Response to SheltieLover (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:42 AM

32. And monoclonal antibodies are much less effective now

so that's a tough bit of reality for unvaccinated folks who were counting on that

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:59 AM

44. I hadn't heard that.

Last edited Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:39 AM - Edit history (1)

So that tx isn't working for the new variant?

Scary stuff!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:33 AM

48. I heard it on NPR. What does the tweet say?

Twitter has me blocked.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:41 AM

49. Dr. Ding's twitter confirms

Apparently, asshat abbott invested heavily in monoclonal antibody trearments. No go with this new variant because the treatment isb't working.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #49)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:48 AM

51. Thanks. I guess our best hopes now

are the new anti viral pill and a new omicron specific vaccine.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #51)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:00 AM

52. N95s!

And staying isolated while this variant rages. 😷

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:05 AM

54. N95s yes! I tried to order more

on Friday but the 2 brands and models that I trust were out and I don't know yet which alternative to get.

I am looking for one with certified NIOSH approval and 5 layers of non woven material. Preferably with the padded nose clip. It seals bettrr and is more comfortable.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:39 AM

55. I use the 3M N95 9010s

They are NIOSH certified & have a nose clip, but the only padding is the mask material.

They seal well & it is easy to breathe when wearing.

I hope this is helpful info for you.

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 09:12 AM

57. I have used those in the past,

but the listing for them on Amazon looks like a knock off. Says it is NIOSH approved but does not give the approval number in the ad and it is not printed on the mask that is pictured. I am going to see if I can get it directly from 3M.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:12 PM

61. Lots of fakes out there!

Good idea to buy direct!

Get them quick!

Last year, before covid hit the States, I was watching China. Bought 50 3Ms for $26, shipped.

2 wks later, the same box was sellinng on ebay for $750!

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 10:22 AM

58. When I'm required to wear a mask, I now only do KN95s. No more cloth. nt

 

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Response to VarryOn (Reply #58)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:13 PM

62. Good isea

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Response to SheltieLover (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 21, 2021, 08:05 PM

63. A dr. on CNN today called cloth masks "face decorations". I'm using that! Nt

 

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:56 PM

2. No doubt this is the most people I know personally with COVID...

 

As of an hour ago, I know seven people with it. No one in bad condition. 5 of the 7 I know are vaccinated. Not sure of 2 of them. Buckle up! Next few weeks will be interesting.

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Response to VarryOn (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:56 PM

17. Me too

Last time this year I knew only one person who had it, now I know 6

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Response to VarryOn (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 07:14 AM

56. Have we heard about long haul with Omicron?

I am not half as scared of getting it, (fully vaxxed) as I am of long haul. I have not heard word one about long haul with omicron.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:57 PM

3. Ultra scary

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:01 PM

4. When a third won't get a vaccine or cover their combo input/output holes in public?

And resent their right to be foolish modified in any way shape or form, or the super rich are pushing their non-stop evil?



This is ultimately about GREED.












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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:02 PM

5. So far the data suggests that Omicron

is a "milder" infection in those that were either vaccinated and boosted OR those that have been infected by previous variations of SARS-Cov-2.

Also the early evidence shows this to be a bronchial infection rather than a pneumonia type infection deep in the lungs.

This is the good news...

The bad news is that the R value is so high that infection is all but inevitable and it will be fast to spread... meaning that for the more severe infections (those that are unvaccinated and who never had COVID and some of the rest of us) will likely overwhelm the medical system and many of those people will be deprived of the best life saving medical care... care will be rationed in the next month or three.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:16 PM

9. That's new info to me that it's not pneumonia. But a study

from I believe Canada, probably not peer reviewed yet, said that they believe that lightened severity is not true. They could find no evidence. But it's early so still not enough data.

Time to start preparing to hunker down.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:36 PM

13. further analysis of the South African data

suggests (also likely not peer reviewed) that the milder cases (low numbers of severe hospitalization) is due to the cohort having experienced previous variants of SARS-Cov-2.

On people who are not vaccinated and boosted or who have never been exposed to the virus, the assertion that it will be as severe as Delta is likely true.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:52 PM

15. And where do the vaccinated fall?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:02 AM

19. Again, all preliminary, but early results from the UK

also suggest that those who are vaccinated and boosted are not immune from catching Omicron but are much more likely to have the symptoms of a mild cold (and the symptoms are much more like those of a cold... no more loss of smell and persistent cough).

Yet to be determined about any long term effects of Omicron.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:17 PM

10. Not according to the most recent data.

"We find no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta," the study said, although it added that data on hospitalisations remains very limited.

"Controlling for vaccine status, age, sex, ethnicity, asymptomatic status, region and specimen date, Omicron was associated with a 5.4-fold higher risk of reinfection compared with Delta," the study, which was dated Dec. 16, added.


https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/omicron-five-times-more-likely-reinfect-than-delta-study-says-2021-12-17/

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:37 PM

14. Thanks. Not Canadian study

The results of the study by Imperial College London were based on UK Health Security Agency and National Health Service data on people who tested positive for COVID-19 in a PCR test in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:06 AM

20. Here's a couple of articles that talk about Omicron causing less lung damage

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/omicron-may-not-damaging-lungs-covid-variants-says-study/

https://www.med.hku.hk/en/news/press/20211215-omicron-sars-cov-2-infection

So the way Iím reading all that is the Omicron variant could very likely cause milder disease than Delta (not to be confused with mild, just mildER) but since itís incredibly more contagious weíll probably still end up stressing out our healthcare workers and filling up ICUís. Especially among those unvaccinated.

Itís way way too early to tell but I work for a hospital and they are seeing less severe disease in those hospitalized. Less need for ventilators. But those hospitalized are by far unvaccinated vs vaccinated.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:53 AM

33. From what I'm reading and a gut feeling I have about O I'm leaning toward less lethal. nt

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Response to yaesu (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:06 AM

38. yes, most likely

but countered by the incredible rate of infection which will mean a rapid increase in hospitalization and health care rationing. THAT last bit will mean a higher death rate.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:45 AM

50. I am very vulnerable to

viral bronchitis. The last time that I had it, I developed an aftermath caused by the viral infection that took 2 years of Prednisone and muscle exercises to recover mobility.

Covid in the bronchial tubes is very bad news for me.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:03 PM

6. We will all get this. It will sicken most and kill a bunch. It will alter all of humanity.

Maybe enough of us will survive to hold together what we have left.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:08 PM

8. I have been thinking that for over a year.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:21 PM

11. And it's on the basic level of needs - health. And if

Lots and lots out of work there will be shortages everywhere. Food and medicine are basic needs too.

All I can say is fuuuucccck

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:05 PM

7. Oh fuck

 

It makes me want to put on a hazmat suit with a breathing tank to go to Walmart.

Saw a few maskholes and overhanging noses.
Saw fucking wastes of skin with no mask on today..

And they just had to be in the pharmacy line where I was picking up my meds too.

I hate stupid oppositionally defiant assholes.

Wonder if they'll mask up if a million people every day get infected and many die. Well that's one way to get rid of people who don't wanna get vaxxed and become biological weapons in a human suit.

With omicron infecting a million people a day omicron could kill off these motherfuckers who aren't vaxxed,insisting on running around with no mask,and those dipshit mask dick nosed idiots and fools who wear them on thier goddamn chin or twist it so the mask only covers part of thier disease spewing mouths.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:59 PM

18. Every Wingnut with any authority needs to break rank from FG right now

And plead with their people to get vax & mask up asap

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:32 AM

26. If you drove to Walmart

Most of the pharmacies have parking designated for pick up. You call in and they'll bring it to your car, same as the grocery pick-up.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:28 AM

42. I can't drive

 

So I walk there.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 06:01 AM

53. That's why I mentioned the drive

I know not everyone does.

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Response to I_UndergroundPanther (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:07 AM

59. We do curbisde pickup for groceries/household and meds,

and you could do that too, just have them deliver the bags to you. Tell the phone app you're in space 3, black car (or whatever color you're wearing) and wait where the attendant can see you. I haven't tried it, but I'm guessing you wouldn't be the first at your store.

We're too far out for home delivery (https://www.walmart.com/plus/free-unlimited-delivery ) , but for others it's $98 year/$8+ per month or $13/month for as long as needed. $35 minimum order, though. One way to help that would be to place smaller, more frequent orders so one could be placed when some new item was needed. Express delivery is also available from some stores -- within 2 hours; apparently there's an additional fee, but still, when needed? The monthly fee also includes free shipping on the items Walmart itself ships, with no minimum. Medications also ship free.

All ways to cut way back on incursions into a highly contagious environment for a while.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:24 PM

12. I just got my N95 masks yesterday,

plenty of them, made in the USA. Get vaxxed, wear masks, social distance, wash your hands, I still have plenty of sanitizer, and chill.

As the Buddhists say, this too will pass. (eventually)

Seriously, this Omicron being so contagious I have gone to wearing the best masks, they aren't that expensive if you get them right now.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

16. Thanks just ordered some too. But when I went to order home test kits they are sold out!

I saw some in a store maybe 3 or 4 days ago. Hoping to still get some in person maybe. In Connecticut.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:18 AM

21. I just got 20 N95s in the mail today.

They are the real deal too. I got 5 almost 2 years ago when this started. My sister ordered a bunch before the shelves were emptied and the first lock down started. I recycled them for almost 2 years but since I don't go out much they have maintained a good shelf life. I am giving them out as Xmas gifts to my immediate family and keeping 8 for myself.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:29 AM

25. Great! I was just reading opinion on masks and n 95

of course offers best protection. But second to that was a cloth mask close to your skin with a surgical mask over that. Only because they thought n 95s were very uncomfortable. Just an opinion

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:36 AM

29. Psychologically, for myself, the super

tight fit is a sign that they are doing the trick. The straps haven't worn out at all. The tighter the better is my motto and these things are TIGHT. I read the Twitter posts from a NYC bartender and am preparing for the onslaught of germs.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:53 AM

34. I saw a person who worked at 3M so he was probably prejudiced,

but he said that N-95's are actually easier to breathe with. There is so much information out there, CDC or WHO or someone needs to figure this out and let everyone know, not like Trump did lying about it.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 04:08 AM

45. I've been wearing 3M N95s everywhere in public sijce this started

Never have trouble breathing in them.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 11:22 AM

60. I couldn't find N95 so I bought a box of KN95 that seem to be pretty close to the same specs

I find them MUCH easier to breath in than the cloth masks I had been using. The cloth masks tend to collapse in close to my nose. The KN95 masks are stiff enough that they stay out, giving an air space in front of my nostrils. There may be basically the same air exchange, but psychologically I feel as though I can breath easier with that small air space.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:18 AM

22. In Denver we saw nearly 100% mask use

up here in trumpland around 25%. I was in our little market and saw a local I know buying cold meds. She's a big trumper/antivaxxer and there she stood in front of the cashier, no mask.. I'd bet $20 she's got it.It's really spreading up here. Pretty sure we'll all get it.

Wonder how long I have to wait for another booster?

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:25 AM

23. Funny you should say that because I was just looking at CVS

Website to make an appointment for a booster and that was an option to get an "extra dose". Not sure what that meant but the choices were first vaccines, second vaccines, booster and extra dose

Glad we inserted profit into it. Odd to say cvs loves making money so they will vaccinate anyone!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:34 AM

28. I think the extra dose

Is for the immunocompromised. Some pharmacies set it up before they opened up boosters for everyone.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:54 AM

35. I'm gonna check into that..

and yes they will.. free, no ID necessary. Never thought I'd see that in this country.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:31 AM

47. Can you maybe register through your state dept. of health?

You have to provide insurance information, but youíre not charged. At least in my state.

Just like with the rapid tests, this should not be a profit-making venture.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:29 AM

24. There's a strange irony when humans destroy nature, and nature fights back

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:33 AM

27. Holy fuck

This shit is crazy

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:41 AM

30. The number of infections is doubling every 2 to 3 days.

This exponential growth will level off eventually, but not before it kills a whole lot of unvaccinated people.

Here it is spreading in the UK the past couple of days.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:41 AM

31. One of the things that scares me most is the liars about being vaccinated.

When they told us back in June that after the second dose we could take our masks off, I just knew there were millions of ones whether politically motivated or influenced by whatever else who would lie so they could be accepted in normal society without their masks - and with the variants they are doing the same thing. They are prolonging this further, contributing to additional variants and royally pissing me off.

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Response to halfulglas (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:57 AM

36. With Omicron you need the booster to get 70% protection,

but the protection may wane in 3 months. They still need to learn more about this mutation.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:01 AM

37. Some countries are shutting down,

it will have to get really bad for that to happen here. We have judges who stopped president Biden's vaccine mandates, we have governor's who banned mandatory mask wearing.

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Response to gab13by13 (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 03:53 AM

43. Here in CA we've had a number of GOP judges who blocked restrictions

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 01:59 AM

39. I was talking to my (conservative) neighbor the other day...

"I believe COVID is real, and I'm vaccinated. But I'm done with COVID. I'm not going to wear a mask and all this mandate shit is bull shitóI'm not afraid."

I think he's a good person, just mislead like so many others in this new world run by a different kind of virus called social media.

We're pretty much fucked. There's no way to reel back the lies at this point. The simple minded people are going to believe every meme that talks to their fears.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:06 AM

40. People Who Cry 'I'm Not Afraid', Sir

Are invariably some combination of fool and liar.

Bravery is not the absence of fear, but the carrying on despite it.


"Courage is the form all virtue must take at the sticking place."

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:11 AM

41. Agreed

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Original post)

Mon Dec 20, 2021, 05:27 AM

46. Move along, nothing to see here.

Isnít that pretty much the attitude now?

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