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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy aren't Wisconsin Republicans who posed as fake electors
and forged paperwork, going as far as submitting it in jail yet ?
Is not forgery a federal crime?
It's not like it's hard to prosecute, they fucking signed the documents. They are pursuing that in Wisconsin but can it and should it be a DOJ action as well?
CrispyQ
(36,527 posts)Beats me why nothing was done to them. It's demoralizing.
They are "freedom loving patriots."
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Somehow amidst all the news I'd missed this until tonight.
RussBLib
(9,037 posts)that shit should not go without consequences.
Wisconsin authorities don't seem to be interested.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)this shit and make it possible. those wisconsin radio stations and others are the only reason that state has ron johnson as a senator and the activists in that state ignore it.
pres biden today called out media - fox and social media - for being anti-vax, and his advisors left out the most important part. every 'esteemed' dem analyst does the same shit all over media. plouffe, ccarvillle, etc
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)broadcast sports on 260 limbaugh stations
republican/russian sabotage i guess
msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)May I suggest a Fair Warning and ID the link so viewers can be forewarned before clicking?
certainot
(9,090 posts)why would there be any problem? what do you see? i'lll go there from another computer when i can.
msfiddlestix
(7,286 posts)elleng
(131,158 posts)money, postage stamps, military documents, letters patent, money orders, or other government-related instruments. ... Forging postage stamps could be punished by a fine and/or prison sentence of up to 5 years.
A crime becomes a federal offense when it violates United States federal law or multiple states' laws. Crimes such as wire fraud, commercial fraud, or drug trafficking, for example, are often charged under the federal government.
IN ILLINOIS, A PERSON COMMITS FORGERY WHEN THEY:
Make a false official document, and they know it will deceive another person
Present or issue a document, knowing it is fake
Possess an altered document with the intent to use it to defraud someone
Use someone else's digital signature
Use someone else's signature device, such as a code, PIN, or private key, to create an electronic signature of that person
At the state-level, forgery can be either a misdemeanor or a felony. If a person forges an academic degree or coin, they can be charged with a misdemeanor and punished by up to 1 year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.
If a person forges only one Universal Price Code, they can be charged with a fourth-degree felony. They could spend up to 3 years in prison and face a fine of up to $25,000.
https://www.ahmadlawfirm.com/blog/2019/may/is-forgery-a-state-or-federal-crime-
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)Easy to prove.
lastlib
(23,309 posts)Remember the movie "The Firm"?
(it's where I get my legal advice. )
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)to the state to decide how to choose them.
If the states don't prosecute, is it worth the time and expense of starting a court fight over it?
elleng
(131,158 posts)however I think we've seen our last 'normal' presidential election, and I don't want to assume the risk of not acting when we SHOULD, EACH STATE should, and MUST.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)decide just how important it is.
Our federal system does have a flaw or two to deal with.
elleng
(131,158 posts)More, with every day.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)entirely under Federal jurisdiction.
We need a new "Elections/Voting Amendment" to the Constitution, or legislation that would have the same effect.
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)so it's clearly mail fraud 18 USC 1341.
brooklynite
(94,745 posts)Identification of Electors is a matter of State law.
And before you assume theyve committed a crime, youd need to know what their certification letter said.
drray23
(7,637 posts)posing as electors and send that. Whether or not states can choose how they select electors would seem to be a separate issue.
brooklynite
(94,745 posts)That's the point. I haven't seem the certificate and I assume you haven't either.
That said, this is an issue for Governor Evers (D) and Attorney General Kaul (D).
Sneederbunk
(14,308 posts)housecat
(3,121 posts)Bettie
(16,129 posts)deal with the consequences of their actions in the vast majority of cases.
They just get to move along, in the interest of not looking partisan.
onenote
(42,769 posts)I'm not sure any of the would apply to the fake certifications.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-25
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)Republicans are now allowed tremendous freedom to do illegal acts without consequences. That's why more and more of them are doing it.
It's a new unwritten law. Republicans can prosecute anybody for anything but are not to be prosecuted themselves.