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Is this typically allowed at a shooting range? (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2021 OP
Different ranges have different rules. WarGamer Dec 2021 #1
nothing (terribly) wrong but his form isn't the greatest either harumph Dec 2021 #21
Yes, assholes are allowed in many places. Effete Snob Dec 2021 #2
Even if you ask them to leave. LakeArenal Dec 2021 #4
I don't see anyone asking him to leave Effete Snob Dec 2021 #5
I'm only stating that "assholes are allowed in many places" LakeArenal Dec 2021 #14
Depends on the place Effete Snob Dec 2021 #18
I will repeat my prediction from earlier today. louis-t Dec 2021 #3
In the movie "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen," this is called "American Style" shooting. Earth-shine Dec 2021 #6
Also known as "Guns Akimbo". Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #12
What a psycho! smirkymonkey Dec 2021 #7
The look of satisfaction on a gun-humper's face after pretending to shoot people. n/t Hoyt Dec 2021 #8
It wouldn't be allowed at the ranges I go to. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #9
Mine neither and that's saying something in OK Runningdawg Dec 2021 #19
Maybe he's hoping to be a wheelchair-bound hero... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2021 #10
Now that you mention it.... Nevilledog Dec 2021 #22
Ugh. More evidence of their fascist aspirations. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2021 #25
and he has to practice this onethatcares Dec 2021 #11
Watching him shoot is like watching white middle-aged "Karens" throw... SKKY Dec 2021 #13
This pecosbob Dec 2021 #15
Different ranges have different rules. PTWB Dec 2021 #16
Looks like he did violate the rules. Kingofalldems Dec 2021 #29
Nice find Lucid Dreamer Dec 2021 #38
That's nothing rictofen Dec 2021 #17
Not usually Timewas Dec 2021 #20
I've Never RobinA Dec 2021 #23
I know the guy is in a wheelchair but kacekwl Dec 2021 #24
He probably had those issues before the wheelchair. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #37
Typically? sarisataka Dec 2021 #26
That would not be allowed at any range I've been to. NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2021 #27
Some ranges have a no rapid firing rule. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #28
Time for a MUZZLE -- CEASE FIRE! call from somebody. Lucid Dreamer Dec 2021 #31
I think the cross-draw would be the worst infringement. yagotme Dec 2021 #39
If you look at the video frame by frame you can see you are correct. Lucid Dreamer Dec 2021 #40
Yeah, I watched it several times. yagotme Dec 2021 #42
I wouldn't go to a range like that. marie999 Dec 2021 #30
Nope. denbot Dec 2021 #32
True. Lucid Dreamer Dec 2021 #34
I've never seen a range with rules that casual cadoman Dec 2021 #33
Some ranges actually allow ForgedCrank Dec 2021 #35
You can hear full automatic fire in the background, so... LudwigPastorius Dec 2021 #36
No way Patton French Dec 2021 #41
Never saw that showboating at the range my husband and I frequented peggysue2 Dec 2021 #43

WarGamer

(12,592 posts)
1. Different ranges have different rules.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 01:58 PM
Dec 2021

There's nothing wrong with his "shooting form"

But some ranges may have rules AGAINST

1) Rapid Fire

2) "Dual Wielding"

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
2. Yes, assholes are allowed in many places.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 01:59 PM
Dec 2021

Pretty obviously, whatever he was doing is allowed at that one.

louis-t

(23,323 posts)
3. I will repeat my prediction from earlier today.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 02:00 PM
Dec 2021

10 years ago I predicted that a time would come when no Republican could run for office without a video of them shooting a gun into the sky like Saddam Hussein. We are almost there.

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
6. In the movie "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen," this is called "American Style" shooting.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 02:04 PM
Dec 2021

As opposed to the other styles that were demonstrated, all of which involved more careful placement of bullets on the target.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. What a psycho!
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 02:06 PM
Dec 2021

That guy has some serious issues. If I were his ex-wife, I would lay low for a while.

Nevilledog

(51,482 posts)
22. Now that you mention it....
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 03:55 PM
Dec 2021


Tweet text:

Lauren Windsor
@lawindsor
In new undercover video, we ask Rep. Madison Cawthorn if it's time for 2nd Amendment solutions to the stolen election. He tells us "we're obviously headed in that direction" and if we get there, he'll be leading the charge.


Watch on Twitter
10:11 AM · Dec 22, 2021

SKKY

(11,856 posts)
13. Watching him shoot is like watching white middle-aged "Karens" throw...
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 02:32 PM
Dec 2021

...axes at targets. It's clear they have no idea what they're doing, but they do seem to be enjoying themselves.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
16. Different ranges have different rules.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 02:41 PM
Dec 2021

I don’t see anything inherently unsafe with his actions, however some ranges ban rapid fire mag dumps and others consider them to be poor range etiquette, even if not expressly forbidden.

They’re also very expensive. Ammo isn’t cheap these days.

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
38. Nice find
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 10:20 AM
Dec 2021

And rule #35 for sure:

35. All shooting should be in a safe and controlled manner. Shooters World does not permit “dual wielding” or “two-gun shooting” at any time. No uncontrolled, rapid-fire is permitted. Damage to the facility will result in a fee and discharge from the range. Damage to the ceiling and lights will result in a $25 fee and potential discharge from the range.

rictofen

(236 posts)
17. That's nothing
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 02:45 PM
Dec 2021

Lara Croft could dual wield pistols while front/back/side flipping and never miss a shot in the Tomb Raider video games.

RobinA

(9,940 posts)
23. I've Never
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 04:05 PM
Dec 2021

fired a gun, but I've always wanted to go to a shooting range just to try my hand at it. After seeing that display, I'm thinking not. Do they have places for normal people to go to work on accuracy? Or just to learn how to shoot?

kacekwl

(7,039 posts)
24. I know the guy is in a wheelchair but
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 04:53 PM
Dec 2021

he has some serious masculine hero fantasy issues. Hopefully he has a great therapist.

SYFROYH

(34,187 posts)
28. Some ranges have a no rapid firing rule.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 05:15 PM
Dec 2021

Ive never been to a range that forbade shooting two pistols at the same time.

Its a little bit yahoo but sometimes people shoot guns just for the fun of it - not for marksmanship. He does appear to keep both muzzles pointed downrange well.

I did that once when I bought a matching pair of Steyr M9s (best pistols I ever bought for under $400). I couldnt aim well so i didnt do it again.

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
31. Time for a MUZZLE -- CEASE FIRE! call from somebody.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:27 AM
Dec 2021

It looks to me like he points the second gun at the girl to his left when he draws his second gun from the shoulder holster.

I could be wrong, but it is close enough that I would stop him and advise him that is muzzle discipline leaves something to be desired.

I'd supply him with a table he could use for storage, but that cross-draw stuff would cease.
Or I'd reposition him to the far left lane where there would be no other shooters for him to sweep.

Note: ANYBODY can yell CEASE FIRE! at a range if safety requires it.

There should be a Range Officer present to stop any of this dangerous gun handling.
And a responsible RO would fix this fast!

yagotme

(3,064 posts)
39. I think the cross-draw would be the worst infringement.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:09 PM
Dec 2021

You are not pointing the weapon downrange (basic range rule), it's loaded, and the direction you ARE pointing it is at/near other shooters.

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
40. If you look at the video frame by frame you can see you are correct.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:18 PM
Dec 2021

The gun is pointing uprange in the holster.
Gun comes out of the holster pointing at least at lady's legs and I think he even sweeps his own arm at one point.

The hollywood shooting is just an add-on.
All of this just to get the craziness on video is crazy.

yagotme

(3,064 posts)
42. Yeah, I watched it several times.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:28 PM
Dec 2021

Actually missed the cross-draw the first time. "Where the heck did THAT gun come from?" Watched it again, caught the draw. A no-no on every range I've been to. At cowboy shoots, you have to "sashay" to cross-draw. For a rightie, you have to turn your body to the right, so the holster is pointed downrange, then draw. A no-turn draw will get you kicked out of the event.

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
30. I wouldn't go to a range like that.
Thu Dec 23, 2021, 05:33 PM
Dec 2021

What are the two idiots on his left that are creeping up past him? The range we go to has individual places for each person and you have a shelf in front of you.

denbot

(9,901 posts)
32. Nope.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:33 AM
Dec 2021

The ones I've been to would not allow two weapons at once, and every indoor I've been to don't allow shots faster then 1 second apart.

Lucid Dreamer

(584 posts)
34. True.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:44 AM
Dec 2021

Well-managed ranges will have signs posted prominently with rules that cover their policies and restrictions.

Customers have the right and duty to bring violations and unsafe practices to the attention of the management.

If they show any reluctance LEAVE for your own safety. [And I would communicate in writing to the management if they didn't show a willingness to correct safety considerations.]

cadoman

(792 posts)
33. I've never seen a range with rules that casual
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:39 AM
Dec 2021

No physical barriers between the shooters.

It sounds like someone is firing an automatic weapon.

Rules are normally very strict about loaded weapons (they should only be loaded when the shooter is firing them). Generally all weapons at the range should have the action open and be unloaded, pointing away from all people.

There's a much higher chance of an accident with so many people playing around in close proximity. That sort of behavior should be saved for when you're alone in the middle of nowhere, if there's any place for it at all.

No one should be doing any "trick" maneuvers in a situation like that. I would definitely classify pulling out an armed weapon while firing another as a "trick" that carries a risk of either fumbling the loaded weapon while reaching for it, or drifting while firing with the existing weapon.

Normally there is a slow fire rule. You're supposed to be practicing your aim and form, not unloading for a thrill.

He does have ear and eye protection and seems to handle the guns comfortably.

I would not shoot at that range, or with people who fooled around with weapons like that.

ForgedCrank

(1,809 posts)
35. Some ranges actually allow
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:47 AM
Dec 2021

that sort of crap. Fortunately, they are few and far between. If you find one, mark it on your list of places to never return.
I don't have much need to indoor ranges except sometimes in the winter and I'll drive into town for a little fun. If I walked in and witnessed that, I'd never go back. That's how people get hurt.
On the flip-side, some have ridiculous rules that are so strict, you can't even enjoy yourself. I know of one that makes everyone stop firing once every 15 minutes, unload and present their weapons to a range officer, then you have to wait 15 minutes before you can resume. They don't have motorized target lines for retrieval so you have to walk downrange to get your paper. Problem is, you spend half of your time there either loading or unloading, or waiting 15 damned minutes for people to change targets. It's horrible. The same place has a one shot every 5 seconds rule. I hate that place and never went back.

LudwigPastorius

(9,366 posts)
36. You can hear full automatic fire in the background, so...
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 04:03 AM
Dec 2021

it's doubtful that what he is doing is against the range rules.

If I owned a pistol, I certainly wouldn't go there to shoot, because it's obvious that place is all about catering to people who get off on their shooting fantasies instead of learning how to hit a target.

Patton French

(816 posts)
41. No way
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:21 PM
Dec 2021

Obviously special treatment. No range I’ve been to would allow me to do that. No to mention a live gun pointing at people to his left before he draws it.

peggysue2

(10,909 posts)
43. Never saw that showboating at the range my husband and I frequented
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:02 PM
Dec 2021

Nor would I expect to, ever. This is a PR stunt so little Mattie can prove his manhood to his fellow Trumpers.

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