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Botany

(70,915 posts)
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 11:55 AM Dec 2021

Will it ever dawn on the Proud Boy, Magats, Oath Keepers, Fox News watchers, Christian/Taliban ....


... Evangelicals, Coal Miners (most of whom do know that coal is DOA), Stupid Ass Racist Dip Shit
Mouth Breathers, 3%ers, CPAC following,Republican Voting, and or anti science folk that TFG is a
just a con man and has been lying to them from the get go?

In a new interview, Trump admits he lost the 2020 election.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216175232

I think at the end of the day most of "them" know the truth but TFG scratches their racist itches
and damn does that feel good.
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Will it ever dawn on the Proud Boy, Magats, Oath Keepers, Fox News watchers, Christian/Taliban .... (Original Post) Botany Dec 2021 OP
They're dumping him, and will wait for a new leader leftstreet Dec 2021 #1
A weakening trump, in 2022, may provide a kind of antidote to the empedocles Dec 2021 #3
Yes, they will abandon him and carry on without him PatSeg Dec 2021 #15
Ron DeSantis is trying hard to be Trump 2.0. CaptainTruth Dec 2021 #23
If Liz Cheney lets him leftstreet Dec 2021 #25
Their loyalty is more about them than him. Cracklin Charlie Dec 2021 #2
You're describing a CULT and if we know anything about them it's that they prefer to abqtommy Dec 2021 #4
There's the tRump cult but also the qanon cult, anti-vax cult, & others to vacuum up T-cult refugees Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #7
Here you go. How I feel about them. multigraincracker Dec 2021 #5
Even those who see through his flim-flammery don't care EYESORE 9001 Dec 2021 #6
No. QED relayerbob Dec 2021 #8
A lot of con victims refuse to admit that they were conned William Seger Dec 2021 #9
No. Voltaire2 Dec 2021 #10
When they say The Wizard Dec 2021 #11
Signaling modrepub Dec 2021 #12
Most of "them" know the truth... PatrickforB Dec 2021 #13
They are moving on from TFG, he was a useful tool. Jon King Dec 2021 #14
It's madness. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #16
No it won't. They love being racist haters. He scratches that itch as you point out. n/t Evolve Dammit Dec 2021 #17
I've wondered how many know what happened to the SA once Hitler no longer needed them. n/t sl8 Dec 2021 #18
Getting away with it since Bush at least. "Rigged", he meant it. czarjak Dec 2021 #19
It was never about Trump for the GOP. It was about what and who Roc2020 Dec 2021 #20
more than likely... llashram Dec 2021 #21
Hawley, DeSantis, Cruz, etc will harvest as many votes from the carcass as possible for themselves. Marcuse Dec 2021 #22
Doubtful, but it would be interesting if they realized... SheltieLover Dec 2021 #24
People enjoy being lied to, they are conditioned by advertising bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #26
If the heavens opened and Jesus Christ.. Alien Life Form Dec 2021 #27
And does it bother them at all IF the biblical Jesus is true and he came back to Earth in the .... Botany Dec 2021 #28
Sad! Blue Owl Dec 2021 #29

leftstreet

(36,128 posts)
1. They're dumping him, and will wait for a new leader
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 11:58 AM
Dec 2021

which is actually pretty terrifying because Trump taught the next one what not to do

PatSeg

(48,441 posts)
15. Yes, they will abandon him and carry on without him
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:32 PM
Dec 2021

He created the monster, but he no longer controls it. It is now self-perpetuating and its leaders will come and go. Trump mistakenly believed they were devoted to him, but actually, it is the hatred and anger that he brought that is inspiring them. He will just become a figurehead, but he will be powerless as a person.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
2. Their loyalty is more about them than him.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:04 PM
Dec 2021

He is the vehicle for their hatefulness.

Will they ever understand that a couple hundred people are destroying these folks’ lives, and some of their family’s lives, in a decades long plan to avoid paying taxes? Probably not.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
4. You're describing a CULT and if we know anything about them it's that they prefer to
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:09 PM
Dec 2021

die rather than change their minds. If they finally do reject one leader they'll latch onto
another and go on their destructive way. These people are very dangerous even if we
can't really understand them.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,328 posts)
7. There's the tRump cult but also the qanon cult, anti-vax cult, & others to vacuum up T-cult refugees
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:48 PM
Dec 2021

When they switch cults they get to keep almost all of their assumed "facts", such as "Jan 6 tourists", "The Big Steal", vaxes are depopulation gene manipulation, economy has been destroyed by Biden, and "there is no systemic racism, just oppression of god-fearing Christians".

EYESORE 9001

(26,291 posts)
6. Even those who see through his flim-flammery don't care
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 12:23 PM
Dec 2021

‘cause he’s doing gawd’s work or fucking over those whom they don’t like.

William Seger

(10,810 posts)
9. A lot of con victims refuse to admit that they were conned
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:05 PM
Dec 2021

... but a lot of trumpers seem to not care one wit that he's lied and cheated his way through life -- why not, if you can get away with it like he has?

Voltaire2

(13,709 posts)
10. No.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:16 PM
Dec 2021

Cult behavior is pretty much immune to ‘reality checks’, as they create new narratives to encompass whatever inconvenience emerges to disrupt their current narrative.

modrepub

(3,523 posts)
12. Signaling
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:27 PM
Dec 2021

Sometimes I wonder if all the RW crap is just a type of "signaling". Broadcast your views in an attempt to draw in folks who agree with you while simultaneously driving away folks who don't. In the end you wind up keeping your group insulated from others who don't agree with you and maintain cohesion within your group.

A significant number of these folks wind up backing down or changing their mind when their prejudices are confronted. Interaction would need to take place for minds to change. Being repugnant limits those exchanges and preserves the group identity.

PatrickforB

(14,644 posts)
13. Most of "them" know the truth...
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:30 PM
Dec 2021

Yep. Most of them do, maybe at a deep-down level. But there are too many true believers, and they keep teaching their kids to hate.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
14. They are moving on from TFG, he was a useful tool.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 01:30 PM
Dec 2021

If you stay up to date on their disturbing online stuff, TFG is pretty much in the rear view. He still has his people of course, but they are in the Venn diagram of the bigger picture.

The right wingers do not feel they need TFG anymore. They found that the messaging used in VA about schools, crime, borders, works for suburban voters, then they will use their more radical rhetoric for the rest.

They feel they can cobble together enough support by winning back suburbans and keep their diehards without TFG.

Roc2020

(1,633 posts)
20. It was never about Trump for the GOP. It was about what and who
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 02:22 PM
Dec 2021

Trump hated. After Obama there would be a 'Trump style politician'. And there will always be one. Will they win is the question.

Marcuse

(7,643 posts)
22. Hawley, DeSantis, Cruz, etc will harvest as many votes from the carcass as possible for themselves.
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 02:29 PM
Dec 2021

Alien Life Form

(370 posts)
27. If the heavens opened and Jesus Christ..
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:05 PM
Dec 2021

said Trump is a liar and con man who lost the election..they would say "No he didn't!!"

Botany

(70,915 posts)
28. And does it bother them at all IF the biblical Jesus is true and he came back to Earth in the ....
Fri Dec 24, 2021, 03:57 PM
Dec 2021

.... south prior to the Civil War they would have made him a slave. Because IF the Jesus person from
the bible was/real and he came from the Land of David/Bethlehem he would look like the current day
Somalia people.

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