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Observation: Ghislaine Maxwell knew most if not all of Jeffrey Epstein's secrets... (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2021 OP
Ghislaine still knows most of, if not all of epstein's secrets . . . and still does. empedocles Dec 2021 #1
yeah i keep seeing people saying Epstein's clients should be worried Takket Dec 2021 #2
Why didn't any of the victims mention that? Effete Snob Dec 2021 #4
The victims would know them too Effete Snob Dec 2021 #3
There's still time. harumph Dec 2021 #5
She hasn't given up names yet. She may do that for a reduction in her sentence. gldstwmn Dec 2021 #6
You're probably right... but she might have been Epstein's fail safe and she flipped OhioBlue Dec 2021 #7
Because it would have been too obvious Polybius Dec 2021 #8
Funny how often a conspiracy theory needs to be buttressed by another conspiracy theory... brooklynite Dec 2021 #13
It's a Catch 22 Klaralven Dec 2021 #9
What about the other witnesses Effete Snob Dec 2021 #10
They want to stay alive? Klaralven Dec 2021 #11
Oh Effete Snob Dec 2021 #12
Maybe the secret is that there are not a lot of secrets Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #14
Wasn't it a party atmosphere? empedocles Dec 2021 #18
Well, if you look at the actual testimony of the witnesses and victims Effete Snob Dec 2021 #19
I don't know about party Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #22
Yes, and sometimes both security cameras fail at the same time, panader0 Dec 2021 #15
Why did they arrest and jail him in the first place? Effete Snob Dec 2021 #16
To raid his compound and get all the evidence leftstreet Dec 2021 #21
You don't have to arrest anyone to get a search warrant Effete Snob Dec 2021 #23
You do if you don't want him shredding documents n/t leftstreet Dec 2021 #24
That's completely absurd Effete Snob Dec 2021 #25
Wasn't there also two 'suicide' attempts 'by' epstein? empedocles Dec 2021 #17
Epstein woke up during one to find an ex-cop's hands around his throat. Kid Berwyn Dec 2021 #20
What's the secret to Epstein having the same facial expression in every photo? Paladin Dec 2021 #26

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
1. Ghislaine still knows most of, if not all of epstein's secrets . . . and still does.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:00 PM
Dec 2021

Ghislaine may well know of wide-ranging information of interest to so many varied, investigators, prosecutors, inquiries, etc.

Ghislaine seems to have some powerful, intriquing options.

Takket

(21,518 posts)
2. yeah i keep seeing people saying Epstein's clients should be worried
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:08 PM
Dec 2021

Should they? Isn't it too late for her to cop any kind of plea? or can she negotiate with prosecutors for a lesser sentence?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
4. Why didn't any of the victims mention that?
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:15 PM
Dec 2021

Several of them contributed to more than one documentary at this point.

What is it you think they are waiting for?
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
3. The victims would know them too
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:13 PM
Dec 2021

But there is only one of the various Epstein victims who have testified in trials, appeared in documentaries, etc. who mentions having been abused by anyone other than Epstein.

It’s so bizarre that no one seems to care what the actual victims have said about any of it.

But, here they come….

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
6. She hasn't given up names yet. She may do that for a reduction in her sentence.
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:20 PM
Dec 2021

That said I don't know what happened to Epstein but I'm not ruling anything out.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
7. You're probably right... but she might have been Epstein's fail safe and she flipped
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:25 PM
Dec 2021

Epstein might have believed she was his fail safe and when she was confronted with it, she assured Trump/Barr et. al. that the fail safe was now her own and it would be in all of their best interest for Epstein to disappear.

Polybius

(15,305 posts)
8. Because it would have been too obvious
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:27 PM
Dec 2021

There's no way they could do it again so soon without everyone saying "hmm..."

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
10. What about the other witnesses
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:38 PM
Dec 2021

You know. The victims who testified at the trial about being abused by nobody other than Epstein.

They lying too?
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
12. Oh
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 12:14 AM
Dec 2021

The DoJ is unable to protect them or trace down any threats to them. It’s amazing that Giuffre manages to get away with it, but the others can’t.

Buckeyeblue

(5,495 posts)
14. Maybe the secret is that there are not a lot of secrets
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 08:46 AM
Dec 2021

While Epstein was acquainted with a number of wealthy/famous people, maybe his quest for underage young women was a secret that he shared with very few people.

My guess is that wealthy/politically powerful people have good instincts about who to really trust. I don't see Epstein as one who would pass that test. At least to the point that they would commit a sex crime that he arranged.

With Andrew it's different. I think the royals probably don't have that same instinct. Other than being very average in intelligence, the royals are sheltered and have little street smarts. I could see Andrew allowing himself to get pulled in.

Clinton and Trump would have put their heads down and ran. Neither of them would allow Epstein to have that type of leverage on them.

That's just my thought.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
18. Wasn't it a party atmosphere?
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 09:50 AM
Dec 2021

Didn't the occupants of the planes, have an idea of where they were going?

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
19. Well, if you look at the actual testimony of the witnesses and victims
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 11:08 AM
Dec 2021

Then you would know that, yes, everyone knew where they were going on Epstein's plane.

For example, Trump and members of his family were flown from Florida to New York several times, and Clinton was flown to various engagements of the Clinton Foundation (which probably provided a tax writeoff for donated use of the plane).

To which part of the testimony and evidence are you referring?

Buckeyeblue

(5,495 posts)
22. I don't know about party
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 12:53 PM
Dec 2021

But he had his own plane which made it attractive to others wanting a ride. I think Epstein sought out celebrities to hang out with. His plane gave him something he could offer people like Bill Clinton--a free ride.

I think Epstein kept his sex crimes to himself...or at least a small circle of people. Otherwise, I think more names would have come out during the trial...and the names of people who caught a ride on the plane don't count.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
15. Yes, and sometimes both security cameras fail at the same time,
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 09:25 AM
Dec 2021

and both guards fall asleep at the same time.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. Why did they arrest and jail him in the first place?
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 09:45 AM
Dec 2021

Wouldn't it have been a lot easier to simply kill him when he was out walking around free? A random street shooting?

No, instead they have to put him in jail to get lots of media attention and then bribe guards, monkey with cameras, etc. and so on.

The NYC medical examiner is also corrupt, yes?

leftstreet

(36,096 posts)
21. To raid his compound and get all the evidence
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 12:48 PM
Dec 2021

A warrant makes that easier than getting caught breaking and entering

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
23. You don't have to arrest anyone to get a search warrant
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 01:54 PM
Dec 2021

Epstein was in Paris prior to flying back to the US and being arrested.

But the people who can engineer getting into and out of a US federal prison in order to kill him, were worried about getting caught committing a burglary at a private residence? Or even just going in, holding him at gunpoint, ransacking the place and shooting him?
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
25. That's completely absurd
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 03:01 PM
Dec 2021

No, when a search warrant is executed, the person in charge of the premises is kept in one place and is not free to roam around shredding documents.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
17. Wasn't there also two 'suicide' attempts 'by' epstein?
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 09:47 AM
Dec 2021

Last edited Thu Dec 30, 2021, 10:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Occam's Razor is getting a very fine edge here.

[Occam's Razor oten used to defend reductionalism or nominalism]


Kid Berwyn

(14,736 posts)
20. Epstein woke up during one to find an ex-cop's hands around his throat.
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 12:43 PM
Dec 2021

Nicholas Taglione, shared a cell with Epstein, accused of a quadruple homicide…



Nicholas Tartaglione denied making the marks on Epstein’s neck when that friend of princes and presidents was found unresponsive in his cell the first time.

https://yonkerstimes.com/dirty-westchester-ex-cop-is-epsteins-cell-mate/

Like AG Bill Barr said, I was appalled.

But not as much as when I heard Bill Barr’s dad HIRED UNQUALIFIED EPSTEIN to teach at an exclusive prep school...

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/donald-barr/

Paladin

(28,238 posts)
26. What's the secret to Epstein having the same facial expression in every photo?
Thu Dec 30, 2021, 03:12 PM
Dec 2021

Inquiring minds sorta want to know...

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