What will Trump voters do when they are forced to confront reality?

[fightforfreedom]

Like the Trump voters, the people of the South were bombarded by the southern elites with propaganda prior to the civil war.

When the war broke out poor, average southern men were thrilled with excitement of going to war. By the end of 1862 the thrill was gone. The moral of the poor, average southern soldiers had been destroyed. The South was doomed.

Most southern soldiers were poor farmers. They never owned a slave in their lives. The first reality they had to face was the horrors of war. Then they had to face the reality of the southern elites broken promises and lies.

The southern elites promised the southern soldiers their families would be looked after, taken care of. That did not happen. When food shortages swept the South the southern elites did not plant more food. They continued to plant cotton. Then the southern elites began to extort basic necessities from the southern people.

In 1862 the southern elites passed the conscription acts. One of those acts was the 20 Slave Rule. If you owned 20 slaves your first born did not have to fight. Once again the poor, average southern soldier had to confront reality. They were fighting a rich mans war.

Thousands of southern soldiers deserted. Many of those who continued to fight did so out of fear. Then of course you had the hardcore extremist soldier who simply made up new lies to convince themselves reality was not real. The extremists became more extreme and destroyed themselves.

In my opinion, Trump voters will soon be forced to confront reality. I believe the Jan 6th committee will recommend to the justice department charges be brought against Trump and many of his enablers. Not to do so would be a crime in it self.

I believe their will be trials the Trump voters will witness. They will be confronted by the truth, reality. In my opinion, we will see a similar reaction to what happened to the southern people, soldiers. Many will desert Trump. Others will recognize the truth but not admit it out loud. The extremists will become more extreme and in the end destroy themselves.

[gab13by13]

1. Cut out the middle man

DOJ doesn't need to wait for criminal referrals from the select committee.

[Beetwasher.]

23. No, But It's Probably a Smart Move To Wait, Considering Indicting a Former President

would be unprecedented in our history. So I can understand why DOJ might wait for the Referrals from Congress and until after a full public airing and hearings.

[Ocelot II]

2. They won't face reality; they'll just make up their own,

which is what they have been doing all along.

[snowybirdie]

3. Love this bit of history

Where did you get your sources. Want to read further.

[uponit7771]

4. Cognizant Dissonance will prevail for a generation or two like after Nazis were defeated.

[wryter2000]

18. Cognitive dissonance

[Irish_Dem]

24. Eisenhower made Germans walk through the concentration camps

to try to speed up the process of facing reality. But there is ample evidence the local Germans knew what was happening in the camps before their forced walk through them.

[uponit7771]

25. +1, the local Germans did know or at least didn't want to look into it.

[Irish_Dem]

27. I won't go into the gruesome details but there is no way the local

Germans could not know. There were thousands of camps with prisoners in Germany and the daily evidence of starvation, abuse, murder was quite evident to the surrounding town.

[mcar]

32. My father did that

He was in the US Army, landed at D-Day and helped to liberate a work camp. His troop made the local villagers walk to the camp after they, the villagers, insisted there was no camp nearby.

[Irish_Dem]

34. The villagers were lying according to many experts

including camp survivors. The smoke, ash and pieces of skin from the camp gas chambers were falling all over the nearby towns. There are other gruesome stories, which I will spare those reading this.

I am so proud of your father. D-Day was brutal and he is lucky to be alive.
He is one of the bravest of the brave. What did he think when he first saw the camp? Was he shocked or overwhelmed?

[mcar]

35. Like most WWII vets, he didn't talk much about it

He didn't give any details, just that tale. He was an 18YO draftee on DDay. Actually came over the next day so was spared the worst of the carnage.

Thanks Irish_Dem.

[Irish_Dem]

37. Hitler sent 200,000 troops and 1000 superior tanks in response to D Day.

Some of the worst fighting of the war ensued. So your dad was being modest if he said he didn't get the worst of the carnage. Maybe on that one day, but the days following were certainly no picnic.

The day after D Day had to be horrific. The blood and carnage everywhere.

Right, my dad never talked about WWII either. He was just a kid when he was flying the Burma Hump. He never spoke of it, but the conditions were horrific as well. I only found out from my brother later what Dad was doing during WWII. I guess my Dad didn't think it was fitting to talk to females about the war.

I think they didn't talk about it because it was so awful and traumatic for them. And also a lot of what they did and saw was classified at the time.
So they just kept their mouths shut.

[Volaris]

5. Whatever they do, it wont be pretty, and it will effect national politics

in this nation for at least a 20 year cycle (and I'm guessing, more like 30).

Some good might come from it, 30 years of at least Not Crazy from the other side of the isle MIGHT allow us to drag this nation firmly into the 22nd century socially, economically, and climate-wise, and allow us another shot at former global position, but again, IT WILL HAVE TO BE DRAGGED, kicking and screaming from some circles, and it wont be easy.

[leftstreet]

6. I don't think Trump's ardent supporters were voters

I think he appealed to them because he promised he was outside the system and going to DC to shake things up.

But in terms of mobilizing them, they mostly gathered in pathetic groups on courthouse steps and/or started posting more racist shit on Facebook. I don't think they saw voting as part of that mobilization, nor will they in the future.

[Silent3]

7. You vastly underestimate all the strategies for avoiding reality

First of all, to be a Trump supporter in the first place indicates that you aren't exactly steeped in a realistic world view.

But even after it all comes crashing down (which might mean Trump and his ilk loosing, or it might mean Trumpists winning what they think they want to win, and then the authoritarian results fucking them and the rest of us over afterward) there will be endless opportunities to find scapegoats, to blame a conspiracy of evil leftists (always lurking behind the scenes no matter how hard you try to purge them), to turn on each other over who is or isn't loyal enough, etc.

[lindysalsagal]

26. Unrealistic world view? you mean, like believing the sun revolves around the earth? Like, the

earth was created in 7 days? Like, human population grew from one man, and one woman who was puffed into existence after stealing the man's rib? You mean, like a place where the devil is lurking around every corner? And the invisible man in the sky can see and control everything, even though he allowed his virus to kill hundreds of thousands of the people his followers claim he loves? Something like that, maybe? Yeah. They'll have to abdicate LOTS of unrealistic world views, in order to get over believing in what faux snooze feeds them. Not to mention their church leaders.

[Effete Snob]

8. Meh, they erected statues to commemorate their heroes

They aren't going to confront jack.

[fightforfreedom]

10. That is true.

Perhaps if we did not forgive, set free the leaders the South, instead put them on trial, things would have turned out differently. We will never know. I don't want us to make the same mistake again. I want Trump and his enablers put on trial.

[IbogaProject]

14. No the statues went up after WW1.

The rebel survivors didn't put the statues up. Folks after WW1 put them up.

[Effete Snob]

17. Yes....

...their kids had a whole new bucket of propaganda.

[DFW]

9. They will do just as they are doing now

Deny, deny, deny

[jalan48]

11. Scapegoats are created to deal with this problem and then violence is encouraged against these

scapegoat groups. Vilolence will be cathartic for confused and angry Trump followers.

[ShazamIam]

12. Trump supporters had no problem denying who and what he was and they will have no problem denying

they supported him, some will simply claim, they had to go along with their spouse or family.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Yep, I was just following orders. Or I didn't know anything.

That is what history tells us.

[Takket]

13. They will murder reality

Or at least try to.

[wryter2000]

16. Nothing is going to make them confront reality

As long as Fox continues to feed them lies. Reality has already confronted them, and they ignore it. Have they given up on Q after JFK, Jr. didn't show up in Dallas?

[Irish_Dem]

30. Yes, even the shock of dead relatives and friends doesn't budge them.

[marie999]

19. They'll just say the commie Jews are behind all of their problems.

Why not, it has worked in other countries.

[Irish_Dem]

31. Right, the same strategy the Nazis used.

Make certain groups the enemy to justify brutality and murder and all out war.

[TheRealNorth]

20. I think there was a lot of societal pressure that kept Southern soldiers from deserting as well...

If you deserted, it wasn't like you could come home. You were essentially divorcing your entire previous family and life, which for most people at that time, did not go beyond 30 miles from where they were born.

This changed in late 1864 when the combination of defeats and food shortages resulted in more and more families being okay if their son deserted.

[Irish_Dem]

22. Lessons from history about this topic:

(I have been obsessed in recent months with WWII and watching documentaries, movies, and reading articles. I am gobsmacked by how history repeats itself in such glaring ways.)

The Japanese people were shocked and devastated when their emperor
announced Japan's surrender in 1945. They had been lied to for years and believed the lies. They never considered they would lose the war despite much evidence to the contrary, their cities had been bombed relentlessly by the Americans with conventional bombs before the atomic bomb was used.
Even then the Japanese government lied and said the atomic bombs were just regular bombs.

However if the emperor had never surrendered, it was clear the Japanese would have never admitted the truth and would have fought to the death.
Some of the generals never believed they would lose and blamed the emperor for "giving up." The government had trained the people to fight to the death, even the children were ordered to kill Americans and fight to the end. The Japanese people were indoctrinated with the idea that to die for the Emperor was a high honor.

But in fact, the government at the end was just trying to negotiate the best surrender terms for themselves and didn't care if most of the Japanese people, including women and children died to achieve this end. After the atomic bomb, thank God the emperor came to his senses and saved the people still alive in Japan.

I do not believe the American GOP would ever do anything to save Americans.

Obviously Trump followers have been indoctrinated the same way. They will willingly die before they accept the truth. (Eg. Covid deaths.)

The German people were also carefully indoctrinated and were shocked when they lost the war. They had believed Hitler's propaganda machine which was a powerful one.

They also refused to deal with or admit the atrocities occurring right next to their towns and villages. There were thousands of concentration and POW camps in Germany, the daily deaths were very evident. I won't go into the gruesome details, but no one, even children, could have missed all the signs of massive starvations, abuse and murders of millions of people. When interviewed the German people insisted they knew nothing. The German soldiers also insisted they were only following orders.

I believe the Trump followers would do the same. In fact they do this all the time. They can see the videos of AA being killed by police, and simply do not care.

Trump followers believe in white supremacy, just like the Japanese and Germans each believed they were the superior race which justified killing others.

[TheFarseer]

28. Prosecuting Trump will have the opposite effect

It will fire them even more. Which is not to pass judgment over whether it should be done. IF they even watched a trial, they would still believe their own facts.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

36. Hide behind their next wild ass conspiracy theory