DeSantis just had a citizen arrested for peacefully attempting to observe presser in a public buildi

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Ron Filipkowski
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Jan 4, 2022
Ron Desantis, who surrounds reporters with sycophants who cheer his answers and jeer the press (on rare occasions when they are allowed to ask questions), just had a citizen arrested for peacefully attempting to observe the presser in a public building.


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Here is what Ben Frazier did to get arrested. He mistakenly believed that citizens in FL had 1st Amendment rights. Only cheering fans of Desantis are allowed to attend his events in public buildings.

[Baitball Blogger]

1. kick

[lindysalsagal]

2. Good man. Kept his cool and allowed it to be recorded. This is what's needed.

Florida has to stop allowing fascism.

[Walleye]

3. Infuriating! We know why he's being arrested, he's black

So of course they have to handcuff him. Did we see Steve Bannon in handcuffs? I don’t remember it

[MyOwnPeace]

31. "Did we see Steve Bannon in handcuffs?"

Not YET!

[KS Toronado]

36. I question if being black is the reason

Believe it was more to do with his words, plus they probably already knew him and had him labeled
as a trouble maker towards repugs.

[Walleye]

37. Maybe it wasn't why he was arrested but I think it was why he was handcuffed behind

The cops never even spoke to him to tell him whether he was under arrest. That’s infuriating

[KS Toronado]

38. Oh yea, cops use handcuffs automatically the darker a person's skin is

They did not know how to deal with an educated man who politely asked tough questions.
And they knew they were not going to like his questions.

[Walleye]

39. They automatically treat everybody like a criminal.

[Solly Mack]

4. K&R

[dchill]

5. Plenty of shame to go around in Florida "government."

[LetMyPeopleVote]

6. #DeathSantis, the leader of the "Free State" of Florida just had a Black man arrested

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[MOMFUDSKI]

9. Just playing to his racist base here.

The repubs hatred of the blacks is astounding. Just one more notch in his belt.

[LakeArenal]

7. Holy moly. That's just wrong.

Constitutionally and morally.

I sense a law suit coming. Mr Frazier will probably get a great lawyer, too.

Hopefully for free.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

8. Was he read his Miranda rights when arrested?

Since when is it against the law to be at a Press conference?

The Democrat running against DeSantis will use this against him.

[Effete Snob]

10. Do you think they are likely to use the results of a custodial interrogation at trial?

They are probably not even going to charge him with anything, but I don't get why reading his Miranda rights is relevant.

The point of reading someone's Miranda rights is that it then allows the prosecution to use any statement you make after your arrest against you. If you are (a) in custody and (b) make a statement, then the issue of whether you had knowingly waived your rights determines the admissibility of the statement at trial. Accordingly, the "Miranda" statement is routinely made when arresting suspects.

It only has any relevance in the context of an evidentiary dispute over the use of in-custody statements. It's not as if someone can't be arrested without reading them. The prosecution just can't use any in-custody admission if the person is not informed of them.

[forgotmylogin]

13. I agree.

Hopefully they just escorted him out and let him go and he didn't need rights read.

[Delmette2.0]

17. Isn't it illegal to restrain someone without arresting them.

And arrest involves telling the person why they are being arrested.

[Effete Snob]

21. That is the definition of arrest

To restrain someone beyond a brief stop (in certain circumstances defined by Terry v. Ohio), IS an arrest.

No, there is no magical incantation required.

In fact, that is why, if you are detained, you should ask "Am I free to leave?" in order to require the police to define what is going on. Because if they no longer reasonably believe you to have committed a crime, then they cannot detain you any longer on that "reasonable belief".

Typically, they WILL state you are under arrest and read your rights, but that is not something to help YOU. It is something that helps THEM, as I explained above.

So, yes, by policy and practice, police will generally inform you that you are under arrest and read your rights. They do not have to do those things, but it is beneficial, to them, to do those things.

[Delmette2.0]

25. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

[Effete Snob]

24. This guide is helpful

They don't have to tell you jack:

https://oakleylawky.com/am-i-being-detained-6-questions-you-should-ask-during-interactions-with-the-police/

2. “Am I Being Arrested?”

If they answer “no” to your detainment question, then ask if you are being arrested. You can only be legally arrested if the officer has an arrest warrant or probable cause to do so. During a detainment, if you admit that you have committed a crime or the officer finds evidence that justifies an arrest, you can be officially arrested.

There is no clear line between an arrest and a detainment. The courts will decide if the interaction was an arrest or detainment based on several factors.

[Delmette2.0]

26. Thank you.

Not that I am planning to join a protest to get arrested. That is good information.

[mcar]

11. Dictator DeSantis

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

12. He didn't realize it was a restricted country club.

smh...

[Aviation Pro]

14. DeathSentence's margin of victory in 2018, 32,000.

Current Covid fatalities in FL, 64,000.

Do the math, dumbfuck.

[Tickle]

15. Is that just

the omicron death or all three combined?

[Aviation Pro]

20. Combined

...

[vlyons]

16. nope he sues the pants off DeSantis for false arrest

nt

[OverBurn]

28. +1

[tiredtoo]

18. Just another example

of fascism. Shame on the good people of Florida for allowing this.

[brooklynite]

19. Press conferences are generally limited to members of accredited press.

Do you want QANON “sovereign citizens” coming in to observe a Press Conference with Gov Whitmer in Michigan?

[Torchlight]

40. Was this conference limited to member of accredited press?

[aeromanKC]

22. 1st Amendment Auditor and Lawyer in 3,2,1.......

$$$ for Ben Frazier

[ancianita]

23. Ben Frazier's arrest is symbolic of the racism in Florida's & its Republican Party's history, too.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

27. Gawd, I hate those people!

[sarcasmo]

29. DeSantis is crazier than Trump.

[onethatcares]

30. I'm astounded

the woman talking to Mr Frazier didn't say she was scared and ran Mr Frazier over with her car.

That is the law here in Floriduh.

[sop]

33. Good thing the presser was indoors. Frazier would have been run over by a cop car had he been

on the street.

[SunSeeker]

34. Retweeted for exposure!

[zaj]

35. Isn't that somewhat reasonable?

I can't just expect to walk behind the counter and join a meeting of some mid-level manager at the DMV just because they are a public official in a public building.

This is an act of civil disobedience, and an act of protest, and I support it. But it's not an example of some authoritarian abuse of power as it is being portrayed as.

And I hate defending an authoritarian a user like DeSantis. Don't make me do this again, please! 🤣

[live love laugh]

41. They won't even tell him he's arrested. WTF. nt

[Hassler]

42. Benito DeathSentence is flexing his fascist muscle.