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mcar

(42,307 posts)
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:42 PM Jan 2022

Merrick Garland Made a Lethally Important Point About His January 6 Investigation

Merrick Garland Made a Lethally Important Point About His January 6 Investigation
His speech on Wednesday did everything it was supposed to do.

By Charles P. Pierce
Jan 5, 2022

There will be a general disappointment in some quarters that Attorney General Merrick Garland did not arrive for his speech on Wednesday with a chain of human heads behind him. This, I think, mistakes what the speech was really about.

First, it was a memorial of the first anniversary of the attempted overthrow of the 2020 presidential election. As such, there were elegiac elements to the address that were wholly appropriate. Second, nobody ever is going to mistake Merrick Garland for William Jennings Bryan. He burns no barns. He busts no blocks. He rouses no rabble. But it’s more than a little unfair to judge what he said Tuesday by either of those standards. He said a lot more than he’s usually given credit for saying....

More pointedly, Garland cited the Watergate investigation in defense of the pace and mechanics of the Justice Department’s investigation. This is a lethally important point. There was a long period of time in which it seemed as though the actual investigation would never get past the White House gates. For example, back in 1974, there was tremendous impatience among the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives at how slowly they perceived the Judiciary Committee’s impeachment inquiry was moving. Yet, one day, committee counsel John Doar showed up with a binder containing his statement of the case against Richard Nixon, and the fight was over at that moment. It was thinking about John Doar that reminded me that Merrick Garland convicted both of the Oklahoma City bombers after an investigation that did not leak a drop.

It was a good speech that did everything it was supposed to do. It paid proper respect to the dead and wounded of January 6, 2021. It linked what the DOJ is doing now to the DOJ’s original purpose—which was to protect the lives, rights, and the franchise of newly freed Black citizens in the South in the years after the Civil War. In doing that, he tied the insurrection itself not only to the actions of the previous administration*, but also to the voter-suppression campaigns by Republican politicians that preceded January 6, but which has accelerated in the days since. He even cited John Doar’s work for Attorney General Robert Kennedy in working for voting rights in 1961.

It was a big circle, and Garland drew it perfectly.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a38678418/merrick-garland-jan-6-investigation-speech/

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Merrick Garland Made a Lethally Important Point About His January 6 Investigation (Original Post) mcar Jan 2022 OP
I was a teen when Watergate hearings Tree Lady Jan 2022 #1
Some unexpected things can come out in public testimony in Congress Walleye Jan 2022 #4
The difference between Watergate and now is that the Republican Party Poiuyt Jan 2022 #14
You make a very important point DeeDeeNY Jan 2022 #30
If Nixon had Fox, Facebook, Twitter and Andropov he could have survived. Marcuse Jan 2022 #39
Brezhnev Aviation Pro Jan 2022 #44
True, but before his promotion in 1982 Putin's idol had been KGB Chief since LBJ. Marcuse Jan 2022 #46
Nixon's relationship with the Soviet Union was tenuous at best Poiuyt Jan 2022 #51
"Richard Nixon hated Commies.... lastlib Jan 2022 #62
Yeah but those were the good ol' days choie Jan 2022 #38
I remember thinking at the time DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #47
I was in college and watched those hearings. LiberalFighter Jan 2022 #54
Pierce is an incredibly intelligent person. Love his writing. underpants Jan 2022 #2
Yup. He's one of the best. PSPS Jan 2022 #9
I thought it was masterful and informative with clearly stated accomplishments and plans for ShazamIam Jan 2022 #3
That wasn't Charlie's immediate response on twitter. Grasswire2 Jan 2022 #5
He obviously thought more critically when writing this. mcar Jan 2022 #7
He must have come to his senses after reading the transcript Beastly Boy Jan 2022 #10
One of the MANY limitations of Twitter ibegurpard Jan 2022 #12
Usually why we don't go with immediate, emotional responses when we make important decisions. Caliman73 Jan 2022 #13
.... CatWoman Jan 2022 #6
Various dark money groups, RW domestic mostly, Hortensis Jan 2022 #8
With the splintering of the rw groups, in their desperate grabs for funding - some empedocles Jan 2022 #67
Let's hope. There should be something to follow. Hortensis Jan 2022 #68
Rt TY CatWoman & Tea Pain! Cha Jan 2022 #49
I heard the comment but it didn't fully register at the time. Yowsa. nt crickets Jan 2022 #55
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #11
He said clearly he's going after them all. Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #15
Garland told us he is investigating the people who stormed the Capitol, the pawns, gab13by13 Jan 2022 #16
That's not the speech I heard. Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #17
It's the speech that I am repeating gab13by13 Jan 2022 #23
nuance llashram Jan 2022 #22
Go back. Read transcript. "Follow money. Far as it takes. High as it goes." Hekate Jan 2022 #34
I guess you missed this part. ShazzieB Jan 2022 #35
Stop. NurseJackie Jan 2022 #57
K&R betsuni Jan 2022 #18
Good article burrowowl Jan 2022 #19
"Oklahoma City bombers after an investigation that did not leak a drop." . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2022 #20
An investigation into 3 people? Not the same dem4decades Jan 2022 #27
The argument against that is the GQP are lawless and wouldn't care about gag orders or anything uponit7771 Jan 2022 #28
I'll Believe It RobinA Jan 2022 #21
A lot of people are already wishing DENVERPOPS Jan 2022 #50
Unnnn, there was a special prosecutor assigned to WaterGate less than 1 yr after Plumbers arrest uponit7771 Jan 2022 #24
Words. Let's see actions. Has one person involved in the Green Bay Sweep been interviewed by the dem4decades Jan 2022 #25
Sheldon Whitehouse just said what you said. gab13by13 Jan 2022 #29
Great interesting summary karynnj Jan 2022 #26
"Garland convicted both of the OK City bombers after an investigation that did not leak a drop" Hekate Jan 2022 #31
Apples and oranges. One was a few conspirators the other 100s. dem4decades Jan 2022 #37
The Oklahoma City bomber gab13by13 Jan 2022 #40
I was still in the Air Force the year before the election.... Mustellus Jan 2022 #32
Thanks for this perspective mcar Jan 2022 #33
Thank you for this Hekate Jan 2022 #36
That seems right PurgedVoter Jan 2022 #45
Wow.. Thank you so much Cha Jan 2022 #52
Garland gave a powerful speech dlk Jan 2022 #41
TY.. and yet some Cha Jan 2022 #53
People are worried and frightened, and we have been let down in the past dlk Jan 2022 #60
Back in the 70's I searched the university microfiche stollen Jan 2022 #42
If any upper level people were being investigated gab13by13 Jan 2022 #43
I so respect what Charles Pierce Cha Jan 2022 #48
I liked Garland's speech LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 #56
Great post malaise Jan 2022 #58
What is "lethally important" supposed to mean? Goodheart Jan 2022 #59
K&R PunkinPi Jan 2022 #61
TY Pi! Cha Jan 2022 #63
YW, Cha! PunkinPi Jan 2022 #64
I heard another important point which no one seems to have heard soldierant Jan 2022 #65
Simply stated, Lincoln's, 'Public Sentiment' empedocles Jan 2022 #66
Yes, public sentiment is eroding, soldierant Jan 2022 #69

Tree Lady

(11,457 posts)
1. I was a teen when Watergate hearings
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:48 PM
Jan 2022

Were on tv, my father yelled and screamed at most of it as he watched every night after work.

Believe me people did think it was going very slow and I even remember thinking Nixon is going to get away with it. But one by one the dominoes came down getting more and more important people closer and closer to Nixon.

Do we have proof yet some type of deal was made quit step down and we won't arrest you to Nixon?

Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
14. The difference between Watergate and now is that the Republican Party
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:30 PM
Jan 2022

used to have some honor. They don't now.

BTW, my recollections of Watergate were the same as yours. I was in college at the time (at the same school as Richard Kleindienst's children).

Poiuyt

(18,123 posts)
51. Nixon's relationship with the Soviet Union was tenuous at best
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 10:33 PM
Jan 2022

He did sign some important agreements with them, but there's no way he would have been a puppet like Trump was.

lastlib

(23,224 posts)
62. "Richard Nixon hated Commies....
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:23 PM
Jan 2022

He hunted them all his life;
The only one he didn't catch
Was married to his wife."

Old poem I remember from the Watergate days. Yeah, it's a stretch, but, forget it, I'm rollin'.......

choie

(4,111 posts)
38. Yeah but those were the good ol' days
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:26 PM
Jan 2022

when people respected subpoenas and even AGs had to testify and handover documents. Plus, seems there are no John Deans anymore.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
47. I remember thinking at the time
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 10:01 PM
Jan 2022

that they made a deal. At times he could go off record and start blabbering about things. I thought that they made him a deal to resign, and tucked him away in SanClemente? So he would be off the grid. That way if he started blabbering about national security etc there would be no media around to hear him, just his secret service agents.....

And yes, he had secret service agents after he left office. One day, we were surfing and we got too close to his home's beachfront and were quickly chased away.

LiberalFighter

(50,912 posts)
54. I was in college and watched those hearings.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 10:57 PM
Jan 2022

I think part of the key nail was the hearing being public.

ShazamIam

(2,570 posts)
3. I thought it was masterful and informative with clearly stated accomplishments and plans for
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 06:50 PM
Jan 2022

the continuing investigation.

Thanks Mr. Pierce

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
12. One of the MANY limitations of Twitter
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:25 PM
Jan 2022

It encourages people to speak first and think later. We'd be better off without it.

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
13. Usually why we don't go with immediate, emotional responses when we make important decisions.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:28 PM
Jan 2022

Emotions cloud rational thinking. They are prone to encourage us to follow impulsive ideas or they do not allow us to step back and take a more critical view into a situation.

Emotions are good for immediate action. We are more likely to storm the ramparts when we are emotionally activated, but emotions can be easily manipulated so you do not want your initial emotional response to be your only and last word on a subject.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Various dark money groups, RW domestic mostly,
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:20 PM
Jan 2022

are known to be financing the disruption across the nation by domestic extremists, overwhelmingly conservative but including radicalized citizens of all types, as everyone from the National Educational Association to...Vox report. I don't think anyone can doubt they are allied with the coup plotters. Creating civil unrest and seizure of local institutions are standard coup techniques.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
67. With the splintering of the rw groups, in their desperate grabs for funding - some
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 06:28 PM
Jan 2022

exposure, despite the dark money security preps, may be exposed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. Let's hope. There should be something to follow.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 06:42 PM
Jan 2022

But I should think we should expect the agents of top-level traitors to be professionals who maintained legal distance, for themselves and more so for their employers.

And of course there's the new "grassroots" method of funding everything. Claim even phony associations with popular anti-establishment causes or names and rake in hundreds of thousands in short order. Following that money would lead them to every political social media site on the web, and good luck finding one who had any idea what the money was being used for.

Still. I wouldn't want them following me.

Response to mcar (Original post)

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
16. Garland told us he is investigating the people who stormed the Capitol, the pawns,
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:34 PM
Jan 2022

he did not tell us he was investigating the people who planned the coup, yet.

His speech was a request for more time.

We shall see what happens with Mark Meadows criminal referral.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
23. It's the speech that I am repeating
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:01 PM
Jan 2022

that Sheldon Whitehouse heard. Whitehouse said that Garland is going after the pawns and even though there is evidence out there to investigate several of the coup planners it isn't being done. That's what Sheldon Whitehouse just said.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
35. I guess you missed this part.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:20 PM
Jan 2022

Merrick Garland: "The actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. The Justice Department remains committed to holding all January 6 perpetrators -- at any level -- accountable under law, whether they were present that day, or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. We will follow the facts wherever they lead."

Please note this wording: "We remain committed to holding all January 6 perpetrators -- at any level -- accountable under law."

That is a strong statement, imo. With that in mind, "We will follow the facts where they lead" is also a strong statement. That is not an amorphous future promise, but a statement of what they are already doing and will continue to do going forward.

It would have been nice if he'd said, "We will continue to follow the facts where they lead," but I have no doubt that's what he meant.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
28. The argument against that is the GQP are lawless and wouldn't care about gag orders or anything
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:07 PM
Jan 2022

... else close to what a judge says about being quiet.

The number of MAGA involved would no doubt be more than 20 and they'd leak to the high hills if they were being directly engaged by the alphabet crew.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
21. I'll Believe It
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 07:47 PM
Jan 2022

when I see it. Nothing against Garland, I’m just way past thinking those people will ever get taken down. And I’m hoping against hope that some people will one day wish to hell Garland was safely tucked away on the Supreme Court.

DENVERPOPS

(8,817 posts)
50. A lot of people are already wishing
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 10:18 PM
Jan 2022

Hillary had been elected so that Trump and Republican's couldn't have stacked the court with not one, but three hard core Republicans.
Making sure that the court didn't just LEAN right, but was solid right by several votes........

Do you remember that Gorsuch's mom was a hard right political appointee, heading I think the EPA??. After a couple years of doing everything the Repubs wanted, she was almost convicted for corruption, and dodged it by resigning quickly before she would have been prosecuted and found guilty........

Fine family...............

dem4decades

(11,288 posts)
25. Words. Let's see actions. Has one person involved in the Green Bay Sweep been interviewed by the
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:02 PM
Jan 2022

FBI?

They're admitting their crimes on TV and still nothing.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
29. Sheldon Whitehouse just said what you said.
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:08 PM
Jan 2022

Garland said he will follow the facts even if the facts lead to upper level people. There are facts out there now that implicate upper level people.

Whitehouse also said that arresting people for trespassing isn't going to cut it.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
26. Great interesting summary
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:02 PM
Jan 2022

I would add one more thing. In addition to honoring the capital police et al, he gave a strong stark description of what they and the legislators faced that day. Over the last year, I suspect the reason some Republicans have basically said it is not important to look back at it and they have minimized the danger.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
31. "Garland convicted both of the OK City bombers after an investigation that did not leak a drop"
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:12 PM
Jan 2022

As always, hats off to Charlie Pierce.


Mustellus

(328 posts)
32. I was still in the Air Force the year before the election....
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:13 PM
Jan 2022

Weekly emails to me from the Secretary of Defense, the Chief of Staff of the Air Force.. the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs... First Sargent of the Air Force....

I had no idea I was on their mailing lists.

Monthly "Leadership" talks from the local commanding officers.

The message was always the same: Our oath was to "Preserve, Protect, and Defend the Constitution of the United States". Not any one person... not any party. But the system. Again and again and again.

And it appears to have (mostly) worked.

I think that's what Garland was doing with his DoJ. Telling them that the Rule of Law still holds. Telling the R's inside the department exactly where their loyalties need to lie. It wasn't so much a speech for us.. it was a 'Leadership' talk to his troops. No one gets off by political party.

Yes, no heads on a platter yet. But I recognized that speech.

dlk

(11,561 posts)
60. People are worried and frightened, and we have been let down in the past
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:39 PM
Jan 2022

Mueller was a Republican appointed by Republicans. I believe Garland is different. There was no mistaking his resolve in the speech

stollen

(419 posts)
42. Back in the 70's I searched the university microfiche
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:45 PM
Jan 2022

for the first mention of Watergate in the San Francisco Herald Tribune. It was on the back page of the news section, about 2 inches long.

So at least we have a head-start on Coup-gate as far as the media is concerned.

gab13by13

(21,323 posts)
43. If any upper level people were being investigated
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 08:47 PM
Jan 2022

the leaks wouldn't come from DOJ, they would come from the people being investigated, they would be claiming executive privilege and all kinds of delay tactics.

Today is 3 weeks since DOJ received Mark Meadow's criminal referral and it is just for ignoring a subpoena. It took DOJ 3 weeks to indict Bannon.

Want to start a pool when the indictment comes?

Cha

(297,195 posts)
48. I so respect what Charles Pierce
Wed Jan 5, 2022, 10:10 PM
Jan 2022

has to say.

I don't pay any attention whatsoever to any pundits.. on tv or online.

Mahalo, mcar!

soldierant

(6,857 posts)
65. I heard another important point which no one seems to have heard
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 04:05 PM
Jan 2022

except me and Noah Kim at Mother Jones. Garland did not connect the dots, but Noah and I got something like this out of it:

We could lock up everyone involved, from Trump** down tomorrow, and it would not save out democracy.

The only think that will save our democracy is winning the elections in 2022 and 2024.

That's why he went on so aout voting rights. Protecting the people's voice at the ballot box is, just now, even more important, and even more urgent, than getting accountability.

Noah didn't exactly say all that, but he did, s I did, focus on the voting rights prts of the speech.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
66. Simply stated, Lincoln's, 'Public Sentiment'
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 06:26 PM
Jan 2022

traitortrump has long yearned for, direct targets he can fight - instead of the diligently cumulative evidence/case building work, that has been eroding trump support, . . . for a full year . . . with much more to come.

soldierant

(6,857 posts)
69. Yes, public sentiment is eroding,
Fri Jan 7, 2022, 01:20 AM
Jan 2022

but so are the voter rolls.

It doesn't matter how much how many people hate Trump** and Trumpism if their votes do not get counted.

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