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PCIntern

(25,544 posts)
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 08:56 AM Jan 2022

I'm again posting this story from a little less than a year ago....

I presently treat a woman who is now the widow of a retired, very high ranking military man who was at one time a base commander. I have known them for over 25 years, and he died a Couple of years ago.

To make a long story short, these two individuals are and in his case were, extreme right wing activist political people, I found them to be potentially dangerous in many ways, not the least of which was his intimate knowledge of the workings of the federal government particularly the liaisons between the civilian and the military aspects. Unlike many of the miscreants who are interviewed on television, this man was by any standard academically and militarily brilliant and was fully cognizant of the world as it exists and how it affected his sphere. He was verbal, incisive, highly opinionated to say the least, analytical, and extremely shrewd. He was a formidable person, and quite frankly somewhat charismatic, although fascists don’t particularly appeal to me in that fashion.

About six weeks before 1/6, His widow came in for a visit and asked me if I would like to join her (don’t ask -it happens a lot and someday will be a subject of an article I’m writing) on a trip on January 6 to Washington DC to “take over Congress and Stop the Steal”. Her words exactly. . Now it should be said that whenever she or her deceased husband would come in and talk I would just listen carefully, occasionally nod, and then get on with my work. I would neither visually or verbally assent to their beliefs nor would I argue because that’s not my job number one, and number two I have no desire to get into these kinds of discussions with radicals who oppose everything that I was brought up to believe in. Nothing I say would have any effect upon their opinions or actions.

So I asked her if something was going to be occurring on that day which would be transcendental, and she smiled proudly and said yes this is the big one. Now I know that many people pretend to be close to the action and speak as though they are informed, but she and when he was alive, her deceased husband really is (and were) individuals who were almost certainly contacts in the Philadelphia area for their movement. As we are finding out it is much better organized than some people gave it credit for being.

So on that Wednesday which I happened at that time to have off, I sat in front of my television watching this nightmare unfold, and was thinking to myself this woman is almost certainly down there and part of the crowd and God only knows what’s going to happen to the country. For law-enforcement to state that they had no idea that this would metamorphose into a violent insurrection is pure specious bullshit. If I knew that something big was going to go down, and I’m a nobody, I guarantee you that there were people in the know who elected for whatever reason to allow it to happen.

Even if someone’s motives were to allow it in order to expose the insanity of this movement, it’s just not moral or ethical. This was a revolution which should have been quelled in its infancy. You know that if it been from the left, it would’ve been infiltrated and destroyed in its planning stages.

I saw the widow not too long ago and she was a bit evasive when I asked her about her goings-on these days. She used to wax “poetic“ about activities, but she was more than a bit coy so I’m not certain if she has ceased her activism or knows that she cannot discuss it in public. Either way I thought I would mention this again here, for what it’s worth, and we shall see what occurs between now and Election Day, and of course, beyond.

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hlthe2b

(102,265 posts)
2. Yes. I believe there was considered "willful ignorance" among the highest or at least mid-levels of
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 09:17 AM
Jan 2022

national law enforcement. Exposing the idiocy for what it was and is? Probably so for a minority. Sympathy for the movement? --far more consequential IMO. Complacency and a desire not to rock the boat? Sure.

Sometimes the obvious is only obvious to those of us "on the ground"-- something I found early in life. Ringing the bells loudly enough to get the attention and action of those in sufficient numbers to act is not an easy thing. History is replete with these episodes, unfortunately. Not all will be modern-day General Smedley Butlers, unfortunately.

That said, it was my decades-long detested nemesis, Dick Cheney, who brought along nearly all former Defense Secretaries to demand the military remain neutral while warning Trump against using them to affect his insurrection. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/defense-secretaries-letter-warning-trump-signed-days/story?id=75036788

Sometimes "help" comes from the least expected quarters.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
3. Have you considered reporting her to the 1/6 committee?
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 10:29 AM
Jan 2022

With the husband's former contacts, this has the potential to blow the military involvement wide open!



SWBTATTReg

(22,121 posts)
7. Take over Congress and 'stop the steal'. Nowhere in the Constitution are these words written (nor
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jan 2022

in any of the Amendments to the Constitution).

Every one of the traitors who participated in the doings of 1/6/21 should have been thrown out of their federal jobs (him a base commander of all things, he should have been stripped of his stripes and knocked down in rank, should have also been reported to the authorities). Others have lost their jobs, etc. as a reckoning of their actions on 1/6/21, why not these people?

I laughed ironically when I read the words he was academically and militarily brilliant and was fully cognizant of the world as it exists and how it affected his sphere. He was verbal, incisive, highly opinionated to say the least, analytical, and extremely shrewd. He was a formidable person, and quite frankly somewhat charismatic ... etc.

Thank goodness that the military answers to civilian authorities, but I wonder now how such seditious behavior (a base commander) is allowed to flourish without negative consequences from anyone? I know that Garland in his speech mentioned over 300,000 tips called in, I wonder if the tips included actions on the part of even a military base commander.

Thanks PCINTERN, I missed this article the first time you posted it, and it does shake me to my core. I've always had the upmost respect (and still do for the most part) of our military.

ShazamIam

(2,571 posts)
8. Yes, this, the visible mob hides the real power of the upper middle class, the real middle class of
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 10:41 AM
Jan 2022

professional executives like the military officer and small business owners and upper level managers of large corporations.

They are as greedy and uninterested in anything but their personal greed. They are influential in their communities, churches and social circles.

To them, the working class, called the middle class since the 80s and the laboring class are invisible to them and expected to be subservient and obedient and live on tips.

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