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EarlG

(21,947 posts)
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:40 AM Jan 2022

Does it seem like pieces are slowly moving into place?

Yesterday the Attorney General gave a press conference in which he stated that, "The actions we have taken thus far will not be our last. The Justice Department remains committed to holding all January 6 perpetrators -- at any level -- accountable under law, whether they were present that day, or were otherwise criminally responsible for the assault on our democracy. We will follow the facts wherever they lead."

Then today, on the anniversary of the insurrection, Joe Biden gave a staunch defense of American democracy, and very clearly pointed a finger at the people who want to destroy it. He firmly and repeatedly laid the blame for January 6 where it belongs -- at Donald Trump's feet. It was an unprecedented speech for an unprecedented occasion.

Coming next, we are going to have public hearings from the Select Committee, which will go into great detail about Trump's actions that day.

Does if feel to anyone else like the nation is being slowly prepared for more unprecedented events at this moment in history -- say, for a criminal action to be taken against a former president?

I'm usually fairly pessimistic about this kind of thing, but after Garland and Biden's speeches, and with the Select Committee hearings coming soon, I'm not currently getting the sense that this is going to end with a whimper and some "the best thing we can all do is move on" platitudes.

Right now at least, it seems like the current powers-that-be recognize that this really is a truly dangerous moment that needs to be addressed head on.

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Does it seem like pieces are slowly moving into place? (Original Post) EarlG Jan 2022 OP
It seems a lot of traction is taking place and the past year has been getting the ducks into RKP5637 Jan 2022 #1
Yes. Absolutely. The timing of what is going on is intentional. MineralMan Jan 2022 #2
Speaker Pelosi speaks at noon iirc Lars39 Jan 2022 #3
I'm not getting my hopes up. I thought Mueller was gonna clean house. mitch96 Jan 2022 #4
I urge you to work on getting your hopes up. MineralMan Jan 2022 #6
Like I said hopefully clear minds prevail. nt mitch96 Jan 2022 #13
Never... agingdem Jan 2022 #15
If nothing else, Mueller gave us hope when we needed it most. In the end, nothing came of it... C Moon Jan 2022 #34
You are SO right....... MyOwnPeace Jan 2022 #36
I was here to say the same thing. Publish Mueller's complete report. BadgerMom Jan 2022 #38
Aaaaaahhhhhh - the old saying...... MyOwnPeace Jan 2022 #40
How can I disagree with that? BadgerMom Jan 2022 #41
Yeah it is a much different.. and AG Cha Jan 2022 #42
I have the same sense, EarlG SheltieLover Jan 2022 #5
Absolutely. NanceGreggs Jan 2022 #7
Yes, That is Exactly What's Happening Beetwasher. Jan 2022 #8
Yes! Totally agree. Lars39 Jan 2022 #9
I didn't get to see the speeches yet cilla4progress Jan 2022 #10
Agreed. And this must not be a one-off if we are going to maneuver safely and securely through and KPN Jan 2022 #29
I think the last 48 hours were the culmination of the opening game. Torchlight Jan 2022 #11
I'll not be holding my breath. progressoid Jan 2022 #12
Yup! RobinA Jan 2022 #20
Indeed malaise Jan 2022 #14
Buddy and I talked about it looks like a message change from democrats about voting rights uponit7771 Jan 2022 #16
The AG's speech was masterful and complete and today's speeches added to the idea of movement. I ShazamIam Jan 2022 #17
This does feel like a turning point PatSeg Jan 2022 #18
Definitely. Trump will be punished because he deserves it and it needs to be livetohike Jan 2022 #19
Garland and Biden spoke well, but I don't expect more than a Mueller-type report. SYFROYH Jan 2022 #21
i think it has sunk in to dems that if they dont produce, they cant win. mopinko Jan 2022 #22
It does Ohio Joe Jan 2022 #23
Let's hope so. PTWB Jan 2022 #24
I am feeling a little more hopeful than I have yet to feel. Mostly sitting watching, LizBeth Jan 2022 #25
After President Biden's great speech I have no doubt TFG will be arrested Emile Jan 2022 #26
The "ORANGE PERP WALK........" MyOwnPeace Jan 2022 #39
Yes it does seem as if something really important is happening...and we are moving forward in Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #27
During the last 48 hours I've felt hopeful and optimistic ... MiHale Jan 2022 #28
I'm OK with this playing out throughout 2022 tekriter Jan 2022 #30
Very good point wryter2000 Jan 2022 #33
I want hearings in prime time. n/t ms liberty Jan 2022 #31
It does appear to be planned wryter2000 Jan 2022 #32
And by this Post, EarlG, you have signalled DU is going to be at the forefront of the fight Tommymac Jan 2022 #35
Yes, they have been for a long time. CaptainTruth Jan 2022 #37
I'm also hearing a different tone from the media today mcar Jan 2022 #43
President Biden message of strength is getting a lot of respect! Emile Jan 2022 #44
I felt like a stable base has been laid for the road AllyCat Jan 2022 #45
Let's Go Garland Blue Owl Jan 2022 #46
K&R MustLoveBeagles Jan 2022 #47
KnR Hekate Jan 2022 #48

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
1. It seems a lot of traction is taking place and the past year has been getting the ducks into
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:43 AM
Jan 2022

line, so to say.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
2. Yes. Absolutely. The timing of what is going on is intentional.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:43 AM
Jan 2022

It is now 2022, and we have mid-term elections. The process of taking back the country has begun in earnest.

Timing is everything.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
3. Speaker Pelosi speaks at noon iirc
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:43 AM
Jan 2022

They are all laying the foundation, preparing the listening public for what is to come via the hearings. Notice I said “listening public.”

mitch96

(13,895 posts)
4. I'm not getting my hopes up. I thought Mueller was gonna clean house.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:50 AM
Jan 2022

Where did that go... I realize this is a different situation and hopefully clear minds prevail..
m

agingdem

(7,849 posts)
15. Never...
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:11 PM
Jan 2022

Mueller was milquetoast...Barr, Mueller's friend, was breathing down his neck and Rosenstein was reining him in, limiting the scope of the investigation..giving him a timetable...and when Barr editorialized the Mueller report, sweeping up Trump's poop, exonerating him of any wrong doing, and Mueller didn't hit the networks with a repudiation of Barr's nothing-to-see hear garbage, it was over...

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
34. If nothing else, Mueller gave us hope when we needed it most. In the end, nothing came of it...
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 02:01 PM
Jan 2022

but I think we really needed Mueller to be looked at like a hero at that time.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
36. You are SO right.......
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 02:29 PM
Jan 2022

we DID have hope - and were convinced that Mueller was the right man to be leading it all - 'great military background - takes no sides - firm in doing what is right' - and caved like a chihuahua facing a pit bull (yeah, Barr! ).

I STILL believe there would be much to be gained from the original, un-redacted Mueller Report - and I can't believe there has never been stronger demand for that from any Democrats.

But I also believe that we are NOW on the right trail - and justice and action will happen.....

NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
7. Absolutely.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jan 2022

The stage has been set - and despite the (understandable) frustration and impatience of the audience - the orchestra is tuned-up, the players are on stage, and the show is about to go on.

Beetwasher.

(2,971 posts)
8. Yes, That is Exactly What's Happening
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jan 2022

And it's happening as it should, piece by piece. If you are going to indict and prosecute a former President, this is the way you would work up to it. You have to lay the groundwork first. This is an unprecedented activity and needs to be handled in the most thoughtful, careful way possible given the current state of affairs.

cilla4progress

(24,728 posts)
10. I didn't get to see the speeches yet
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jan 2022

but I am following it all.

I would say this: if a multinational crime and corruption ring involving political leaders at the highest levels was about to be disclosed and taken down...this is what it would look like, agree?

Americans - all earthlings! - are dealing with 3 simultaneous fundamental society-shaping events: global pandemic, climate collapse, and spreading autocracy/fascism.

They are going change our lives, and it remains to be seen how we will handle it.

KPN

(15,643 posts)
29. Agreed. And this must not be a one-off if we are going to maneuver safely and securely through and
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:35 PM
Jan 2022

around those society shaping events. I don't believe it will be a one-off, but I won't be convinced that the overall effort will be sufficient until the far-right is sufficiently banished.

Torchlight

(3,331 posts)
11. I think the last 48 hours were the culmination of the opening game.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:00 PM
Jan 2022

Or more accurately, the beginning of the middle game; and I sense advances, exploitation, and exchanges will begin to soon follow.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
20. Yup!
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:24 PM
Jan 2022

I'm stuck on this ledge until I see some actual progress that isn't just talk. And I see everybody's point and agree that something may be happening. I just can't see anything major quite yet out of these jaded eyes.

malaise

(268,968 posts)
14. Indeed
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:06 PM
Jan 2022

And President Biden chose the perfect occasion and time to expose the lying monster.
There will be no movie on the DFG that won’t include Speaker Pelosi tearing up his last SOU speech and Biden’s speech today.
Looking forward to Nancy P’s noon speech.

ShazamIam

(2,570 posts)
17. The AG's speech was masterful and complete and today's speeches added to the idea of movement. I
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:13 PM
Jan 2022

am not embarrassed to feel hopeful.

livetohike

(22,140 posts)
19. Definitely. Trump will be punished because he deserves it and it needs to be
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:23 PM
Jan 2022

done to set an example for any future President who would try the same. Every Republican Congress person who played/is playing along with Trump should be rethinking their future today.

SYFROYH

(34,169 posts)
21. Garland and Biden spoke well, but I don't expect more than a Mueller-type report.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:33 PM
Jan 2022


And then not much action.

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
22. i think it has sunk in to dems that if they dont produce, they cant win.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:37 PM
Jan 2022

we all appreciate the headwinds we face, but something has to happen to stop this bullshit.
specifically, if they dont secure elections, we will hold them responsible next nov.

the coup is ongoing, and its' getting more obvious every day.

Ohio Joe

(21,755 posts)
23. It does
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 12:43 PM
Jan 2022

I'm on board with the care and deliberation Garland is taking in the matter. I think I'm starting to enjoy watching TFG slowly drown in his own lies.

 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
24. Let's hope so.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:03 PM
Jan 2022
Right now at least, it seems like the current powers-that-be recognize that this really is a truly dangerous moment that needs to be addressed head on.


It is a dangerous time. Extremists took unprecedented action to attempt to overthrow our duly elected government. Now those elected officials must take unprecedented action to hold the perpetrators accountable.

If we fail to hold those perpetrators to account, I’m afraid it will signal that it is open season on American democracy. The next coup attempt could be far more successful.

Let’s hope that, as you said, the pieces are falling into place. The time to take action is now.

Emile

(22,707 posts)
26. After President Biden's great speech I have no doubt TFG will be arrested
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:26 PM
Jan 2022

and prosecuted in the near future. Yes all the pieces are coming together!

Demsrule86

(68,556 posts)
27. Yes it does seem as if something really important is happening...and we are moving forward in
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:33 PM
Jan 2022

in order to save our Republic from truly evil forces. We will prevail.

MiHale

(9,721 posts)
28. During the last 48 hours I've felt hopeful and optimistic ...
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:33 PM
Jan 2022

I must be a Democrat.

Long live Democracy!

tekriter

(827 posts)
30. I'm OK with this playing out throughout 2022
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:48 PM
Jan 2022

We have eleven months to tie this to every Republican that had any part, however small, in this attempted coup.

If we had rushed into hearings, indictments and trials, the GOOPers would have had plenty of time to counter everything the Democrats accomplished. New GOOP candidates would emerge, if necessary, with those accused forgotten about.

These new candidates would not be tied to the coup, and the GOOP could claim they as a party learned their lesson. Don’t give them room to breathe. Kick them when they are down.

wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
33. Very good point
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:58 PM
Jan 2022

Let's not leave this all in February. It needs to be fresh for the election.

If the committee has already talked to hundreds of people, that gives us plenty of hearings over a period of several months.

wryter2000

(46,039 posts)
32. It does appear to be planned
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 01:56 PM
Jan 2022

A systematic presentation of the damning facts. But when, oh when, will we get hearings? I cannot wait!

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
35. And by this Post, EarlG, you have signalled DU is going to be at the forefront of the fight
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 02:07 PM
Jan 2022

to preserve We The People's Constitution and Democracy.

Not that we haven't been already, but like President Joe did today, you are formally letting us know our efforts are not in vain.

I thank you with all my heart and soul.

CaptainTruth

(6,589 posts)
37. Yes, they have been for a long time.
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 02:31 PM
Jan 2022

It may not always be apparent to folks who don't understand the details & strategy involved, but the pieces have been moving all along.

mcar

(42,307 posts)
43. I'm also hearing a different tone from the media today
Thu Jan 6, 2022, 03:07 PM
Jan 2022

They've gotten away from their Democrat-bashing to really call out not only TFG but Republicans.

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