I'm glad President Biden mentioned that tfg was sowing seeds of doubt, even before November 3

[Siwsan]

I can remember hearing that the only way he could 'lose' was if the election was stolen, and I seem to recall he was saying this even before we had our nominee.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

1. He was also saying it...

before the 2016 election.

[world wide wally]

5. And after!

Remember his "investigation" into an election he "won"?
He was working on his 2020 strategy even back then.

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

6. Yep.

[rockfordfile]

2. I agree

[uponit7771]

3. K&R, and the main place was through the postal system

[underpants]

4. I took that as him establishing a win beforehand

much in the same way to press told everyone 2016 was OVER thus diminishing turnout and giving Trump his fluke win. It was a fluke.

[pandr32]

7. I still believe he was installed

[Caliman73]

10. Perhaps, but we have insufficient evidence...

and unlike Republicans/Conservatives, we do not act on or hold out on beliefs that are not grounded in evidence.

There is no doubt and there is certainly evidence that Russia and others influenced 2016, but not enough to say he was installed. Too many people fell for the misinformation and did not show up to vote.

[agingdem]

11. Trump, Barr, DeJoy et al. were preemptively rigging the election

Barr questioning the validity of mail-in ballots..Trump insisting the only way he could possibly lose the election is if it was rigged ...DeJoy slowing the mail, removing mailboxes, confiscating sorters...the fix was in...but the unimaginable happened..the rigged election didn't stay rigged..on election night when he was prematurely in the lead, Trump jumped in front of the cameras declaring victory, confident the vote count would stop..it did not...and Biden won...I don't for one moment think Trump "knows" he lost because the people prevailed, I think his denial stems from the notion that Biden and his people did a better job at "rigging" the election than Trump and his people...

[moondust]

8. Deep roots

GET RID OF BALLOT HARVESTING, IT IS RAMPANT WITH FRAUD. THE USA MUST HAVE VOTER I.D., THE ONLY WAY TO GET AN HONEST COUNT!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 14, 2020

BBC: 'Stop the steal': The deep roots of Trump’s 'voter fraud' strategy

[Caliman73]

9. Oh yes, this started WAY before January 6th.

As you said and President Biden mentioned, Trump was talking about a "rigged" election from the beginning of the campaign season. He really ramped up as states decided to try to protect their voters by taking steps to have people vote by mail. Trump was attacking vote by mail incessantly throughout 2020 as the pandemic raged. He continually talked about how he had "the numbers" while President Biden sat in his basement. He was showing his hand throughout. He really went off the rails after the 3rd though. In the two months between the election and inauguration was when he did the most damage, when he deliberately incited violence, tried to influence state agencies, and plotted the insurrection.