These stories of "Former Staffers looking to derail Trump" and "Cheney runs for POTUS" are silly

[WarGamer]

One must only open their eyes and look at the State of the Nation.

Reality checks:

Liz Cheney isn't running for President... and if she is, she'll never get above 5%

In fact, Liz is either going to a) refuse to run for her House Seat in 22 or b) Lose her primary

If she runs for POTUS, she'll be the well funded candidate on the podium for way too long with 3% support until the networks won't allow her in debates



The Marquette Poll is the most recent I can find.

Trump has a 73% Approval Rating with Republicans. Trump is at 31% Approval with Independents, Biden is at 34%

60% of Republicans want him to run again

68% of Republicans are NOT CONVINCED the 2020 Election results were accurate







So... trust me on this. I'm right.

We're going to have to fight this battle again in 22 and 24.

Trump or no Trump, Trumpism is going to be there in 22 and 24, pissed off and aggrieved as always.

Liz Cheney, Former staffers, Pence, Kasich, Romney and a Unicorn and your Fairy Godmother aren't coming to save anyone.

I know we ALWAYS call the next election the most important election in history... but these next 2 actually MIGHT be.

[Irish_Dem]

1. Liz's political ambitions are not silly. But the hope she will save us is of course silly.

I agree with you on that point.

And I agree with you that we have not won anything yet.
The war is still ahead of us.

[WarGamer]

2. I guess let me clarify

Her chances of winning are ridiculous, it's silly.


As a voice at a podium trashing Trump and being at the debates... she's useful. Is that what you meant? Her symbolic value?

[Irish_Dem]

3. This is what I mean:

1. She comes from a very cunning, ruthless family who will win political power and financial gain by any means necessary. Dick Cheney was a master at turning apparent personal defeat to his advantage. It is foolish to trust her or count her out just yet. History is full of leaders who were defeated by such situations. I am as student of WWII and I can give you many examples of this.

2. War makes for strange bedfellows (FDR/Churchill vs Stalin). Right now Liz serves a purpose. So she is useful right now, but never go to sleep without one eye open as far as she is concerned.

3. Another lesson is that we can never gage the outcome of the war from battle to battle. Whatever our assessment is right now, it can change at any time. At this point, nothing is silly or ridiculous. We are just at the beginning of our war, nothing has been gained yet at all.

[WarGamer]

5. Ok... let me concede that "something could happen"

I mean an asteroid hurtling at the Earth would qualify...

But minus a significant new event...

The Cheney family expiration date was more than a decade ago. Most of Dicks "buddies" high up in Gov't are dead and/or gone.

Liz has no appreciable base of support.

Maybe Republicans who voted for Biden? And their vote will be split between any and all moderate Republicans who might run in 24.



And regarding Trump himself...

I keep going back and forth between he's running and not running.

A few of my thoughts, he IS running because:

1) He's an attention *&*&^
2) Running is great promotion for Truth Social
3) All he thinks about is Vengeance
4) Hates being a loser
5) Grift Potential
6) Adoration
7) Deflection from Legal Issues
8) Obvious front runner

And then I think he may not... because:

1) Too much hard work
2) Age/Health
3) Afraid of losing again
4) Running the TMTG is more lucrative
5) Playing Kingmaker is almost as fun with ZERO risk

[Casady1]

12. Don't look up

[WarGamer]

13. Funny movie, thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Any pronouncements of what will or will not happen are quite premature.

We are in a very fluid situation right now. Biden's rousing and historic speech marks the beginning of our war. Nothing has been gained yet.

My father was career military, flew combat in three wars. I am here to tell you that the early predictions of the outcome of any battle, any war are the ridiculous things. The twists and turns of the battles will be astounding and profound. Trust me, there will be future new events which cannot be discounted in the present.

If indeed we do actually roundly defeat Trump and his followers, with democracy restored for at least the time being, Liz Cheney may indeed be a rising star. A war has a way of redefining winners and losers.

Mary Trump in the past has said that her uncle would never run again as he fears defeat and humiliation. I believe that she is now incorrect as things have changed on the ground. Trump's mental status is worse. He appears to be more delusional and sure of himself. Which means he is more dangerous.

While we are looking elsewhere, Trump and his followers are in hand to hand combat in each state, trying to grab power. If he can control enough power at the state level to the point he can overturn votes, he will be emboldened to run again. And is delusional enough to see himself winning.

Your list of pros and cons are very good. It is my judgement as a retired mental health professional with 40 years clinical experience, that the items on your pro list most likely outweigh the con list items in Trump's mind. At least at this point in time. Given is age, he has only one last shot to get his wish list. And he is well known for doubling down. He also wishes to leave a dynastic legacy, paving the way for his children to take power.

[allegorical oracle]

4. About as silly is the Republican themed response of the day

"How DARE the Dems make such a politicized response to a political insurrection!"

[lame54]

6. What if she runs solely for the opportunity to...

Dismantle Trump face to face in front of a national audience

[WarGamer]

7. See post #2, I covered that

If she wants to be the 3% candidate at the podium in a debate of 13... who trashes Trump, yeah I see value there. And I will laugh at her comments at Trumps expense.

But other than that... her candidacy would be a joke.

[Achilleaze]

8. Liz can and will win her seat if she runs for it

Even the WY Republicans will finally have to admit they swallowed the BIG LIE hook, line, and sinker.

Voters across our fair land will toss the stinking Republican traitors out with the trump trash.

[WarGamer]

11. Liz is at 18% in the latest poll from a few weeks ago. Trails Trump pick by 20

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/liz-cheney-in-trouble-trails-trump-pick-by-18-points/ar-AARzude

[Achilleaze]

14. Time is on her side

[WarGamer]

15. I think you're mistaken about how many fucks the RW'ers give about 1/6

[Achilleaze]

20. Interesting. I think your mistaken about how many loyal Americans there really are

[WarGamer]

21. Looking out over the country... you see "loyal Americans"??

The ones who 73% still approve of TFG?

The 70% that think the 2020 Election was rigged?

I'm sorry but I don't share your optimism about your fellow citizen.

[Achilleaze]

26. Those "statistics" don't apply to all American voters

They apply to a slice, the repube slice, and thus give a fake impression.

So, no thanks, I reject your distorted stats.

Submit your "stats" Debbie Downer. She loves that kind of stuff.

[sunonmars]

9. By any legal means possible, Trump and his ilk needs to be removed of the political stage.

and they need to do it fast , no anesthetic, just cut the cancer out.

Its not a knife fight, bring a goddamn nuke.

[WarGamer]

10. His ilk is 70 million people... got a plan?

Even IF (very large if)

Trump is found guilty of a crime... by a Jury with 6 Trump voters on it... and he's tossed in jail

He'll just be replaced by someone equally crazy but likely less stupid...

And the rally cry will be "Do it For Trump"


You can NOT send 70 million people "to the cornfield" like a Stalin...

[brooklynite]

17. Cheney IS running for re-election, and the pro-Trump vote may get split by multiple candidates.

[WarGamer]

23. Well right now she's down more than 2:1 in polling.

[Fiendish Thingy]

18. The former staffers could sabotage Trump w/third party run in 2024

A third party candidate could peel off enough votes to block Trump returning to WH.

If only 60% want Trump to run again, that’s a lot of potential votes for a third party spoiler.

If Midas Touch and the Lincoln Project get behind this, and bring some big donors, it could become a force to contend with.

[Kingofalldems]

19. He can't run if he is in jail.

[WarGamer]

22. Which is why I wrote "Trump or no Trump..."

His involvement really doesn't affect the modern day GOP.

He has never been the leader of the movement, just the symptom of it. It predated him and will outlast him.

The Trumpists will be just as revved up by Noem, DeSantis or ??


IMHO, there is precisely ONE thing that can defeat the Trumpists.

And that is if they LOSE a leader who "speaks for them".

Nominate a Romney or someone like that and 40% of the GOP base disappears.

Problem is... the Trumpists are active, involved and vote. So getting a moderate on a ballot is... problematic.

[Kingofalldems]

24. Any comments on Jan. 6 2021?

[WarGamer]

25. What about it, be specific, KOAD.

What are you asking me?

[ProfessorGAC]

27. Reality Check

The 68% of Rs thinking the election was made up is being doubted by some statisticians. Simple anecdotal reviews have found few non-Rs who know TFG voters that think that on a 2:1 basis. Personally, I know 25-30 guys who vote R, reflexively. ONE thinks the election was rigged. That suggests I'm amazingly lucky. I doubt that's the case. Pew could not find confirmation of those values when they polled blue states.
So, all of your facts may not be as factual as you think. I don't know what the real number is, but there's reason to doubt those you presented.
I also question the 34% of indies approval number. If gas prices settle down, and meat prices fall back a bit, minds will change on a dime, giving 7¢ change.

[WarGamer]

28. It's just recent polling... polling changes all the time.

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