re: Maddow's show last night./ "It is conspiracy" ..JillWineBanks

[Budi]

I hope you guys can amplify this and somehow get it to @maddow.
It didn’t make any sense at the time and after watching her show it just came into focus he says they needed to certify “a corrected set a facts” And it looks like that’s exactly what they tried to do it
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BREAKING: At 4:10pm after 4 hours of mayhem, guy with a megaphone reads a tweet from Trump sent during the riot. The guy to his left was arrested and charged for 'allegedly' breaking into Nancy Pelosi's office. He is holding the piece of paper he stole from her desk.

Link to tweet

"..one of the coup strongman was parroting exactly what Meadows was talking about on show. Shows yet another dynamic of efforts."

"I also hear fraudulent! Of course, that statement is a lie. The ones presented to Congress and Pence were the real ones certified by each of the 5 states (so far - there may be others found), not the identical look-alike forgeries that the speaker wants to get before Congress."

Link to tweet

"Shows conspiracy.
He’s repeating the verbiage used by Trump in one of the tweets he sent that afternoon."

Link to tweet

[bucolic_frolic]

1. So they generate panic, fear, chaos

delay certification, or grab power to remove the real ballots, swap in fake ballots. No need to even return to the states if you can pull this off. Meanwhile no one has explained the bombs planted at RNC and DNC ... were they just to create chaos? But were discovered and defused instead? Multiple paths to delay certification, corrupt certification with fake ballots, all in confusion and chaos ....

Or are the fake ballots for reinstatement of TFG? Maybe declare everything invalid ...

Don't pay any attention to me ... I'm just watching TV to see which horse wins ....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. The bombs might be lone wolf / completely separate operation, no connection. Dunno. . . . nt

[gab13by13]

17. My gut tells me that was no coincidence.

[Bev54]

29. I am with you, this was no coincidence

[wnylib]

34. I agree. No coincidence.

Maybe they were meant as backup for a violent takeover if the fake ballots didn't work. Instead of the Nazi Reichstag fire, more like the British Gunpowder Plot.

They might still have been used after the Capitol was cleared out if there had not been a curfew imposed and a sweeping investigation of the area after the Capitol attack.

[canetoad]

36. It just hit me

How to explain the pipe bombs.

Think Anders Breivik, the nazi who shot up Utøya Island in 2011. He detonated a fertilizer bomb outside the Prime Minister's office, hoping to tie up the police and emergency services and to provide a reason for him to disguise himself and go shooting.

[bucolic_frolic]

40. Yup, diversion and chaos. /nt

[Dawson Leery]

2. kick

[crickets]

3. K&R for visibility.

[Kid Berwyn]

4. They act in concert.

They do the same criminal things.

They tell the same lies.

They answer to the same heinous anus.

Of course it’s a coincidence.

[Budi]

5. They were there to switch the real certs with their fraud certs

While all attention was on the chaos.

I mean, how damned badly did they NEED to install Trump?
They would stop at nothing.

[Cha]

14. But they were Stopped! How

damned pissed were they?!

[Budi]

35. Raging pissed. Things were thrown, threats became promises of death to the failed & sat stunned.....

...as Speaker Pelosi emerged from threats of her own death just hours earlier, calling her House in session she picked up her gavel & certified the vote for Joseph R Biden as our 46th US President.
.....

Here's a very worthy read that's defines the strength of purpose necessary to complete the task of that day.

[Cha]

41. Here's to our Brilliant and

Courageous Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi!

Mahalo, Budi!

[Budi]

7. Also, yes it was an inside job. It took someone with the knowledge..

..of the House procedure, where the certs were located & when the prime opportunity to make the switch would happen.

If, as they tell us, 100 Congresspeople are culpable, then they all knew the reason for what was going down.
Certs were to be switched.

I'd like to have seen their reaction the moment they realized the plan was a bust, & Pelosi called the House back to certify Biden that night.

[Kingofalldems]

6. Kick and rec

[LetMyPeopleVote]

8. Jill Wine-banks-DOJ should go after all the signatories and get to the top conspirators.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

16. They Know they Damn LOST..

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they had to Forge!

Rt TY!

[gab13by13]

18. The signatories have probably been appointed

to run elections, next stop Congress.

[joshcryer]

33. Every single signer needs to go to jail.

[CanonRay]

9. Three Federal crimes, at least

1 Mail Fraud
2 False Statements
3 Cospiracy

Paging AG Garland

[gab13by13]

10. Better wait, Michigan is investigating this,

no need for DOJ to get involved, just like is happening in Fulton County, Ga.

[Ford_Prefect]

11. And the people like DeVos who paid to make it happen.

[Xoan]

12. Jibberish always makes me go ...

meh.

[Duppers]

31. "Jibberish"??

[joshcryer]

37. Not jibberish...

...these idiots actually signed their name on an untruthful elector slate: https://www.americanoversight.org/american-oversight-obtains-seven-phony-certificates-of-pro-trump-electors

Their only saving grace is they didn't follow procedure with the national archives nor were their slates signed by the governor (or a forgery from the governor) so they can say it was a "political statement."

[ancianita]

13. Unfuckinbelievable. Thanks for this. Of course a switch. With forged copies at Nat'l Archives.

Which is why TFG's fighting so hard to not have National Archive documents turned over to the Jan6 committee.

DAMN. The brazen conspiracy. Not just to obstruct but to commit seditious fraud.

[gab13by13]

19. One bit of evidence that won't be found in the Archives,

are the phone calls that Meadows made from his burner phone, which is also a crime.

[ancianita]

26. Sure. But to have all that conspiracy, forgery and fraud as evidenced on PAPER? DAMN.

That's the largest networked conspiracy in the history of the United States. It's almost as if it was planned by a foreign power, or a global network -- because these gopers couldn't think this up -- man, if Bannon's brain was behind this...

[gab13by13]

28. This Jeffrey Clarke guy is definitely involved,

Lawyers were involved, like John Eastman.

[joshcryer]

39. No, I don't think it is controversial, they told them to do it...

...and as GOP is known, they went in lock step.

Imagine being an elector for a state and your party comes to you with an obviously fraudulent document that is completely untrue, because they are *not* duly elected electors, because they elect themselves upon the fate of the results of their respective state elections, so simply signing as an elector in and of itself is conspiracy.

I can't imagine that level of blind loyalty. I would never in my life put my name or signature on a document like that.

[ancianita]

42. No, not to them. But without American Oversight's FOIA work, the nation might have learned

about this too late to connect it to the other concentric circles of Big Lie actions.

I heard last night that only one replacement elector refused to sign the document.
They have come to believe their cause is just, and so yes, seven states of electors showed stupid, blind loyalty around that.

The unaware will be treated as first timers with no priors. I hope it keeps them from ever owning arms (no militia life for them) or seeking elected office (no puffed up doofuses in state legislatures).
Their numbers could end up in the hundreds.

[joshcryer]

43. Yep, Garland is looking at this.

Transmitting it to the archive is the most madness I have ever thought possible. I thought they just sent it to DC to Pence. They may not even be able to make a political statement claim by literally signing a document with their names on it claiming to be electors.

[ancianita]

44. They even sent forged documents to federal courts!! That right there is the worst!

They had NO idea what their bosses were up to, apparently. But ignorance is no excuse.

This coordination from someone (likely the Bannon team for Trump) sent copies to

-- the President of the Senate (Pence),
-- the Archivist of the United States,
-- their Secretaries of their states, and
-- the Federal District Courts of their states.

Unfuckinbelievable. They actually think investigators on our side are like theirs, and so they didn't think anything would come of it.

I daresay we could see the dismantling of the Republican Party this year.

[joshcryer]

45. Wow, that is insane.

Utterly insane. I can't imagine being that stupid.

[malaise]

21. Shit is getting real

Lock them up!
It was a full blown coup that failed

[gab13by13]

23. It is clear evidence of a conspiracy,

between state GQP officials, federal GQP officials, and the White House. Shit, I can prosecute these traitors with the evidence we have now, and I'm just an internet prosecutor.

[malaise]

25. Indeed

Lock them up

[wnylib]

38. Everyone involved should be

arrested and charged, from state officials to Congressional representatives to TFG's staff and "advisors."

[gab13by13]

22. DOJ needs to hire more agents.

[FakeNoose]

27. Smoking Gun right here folks

Conspiracy to commit election fraud.

Lock them all up!

[gab13by13]

30. Yeah but

will this seem partisan? It is freaking partisan, one side tried to overthrow our government, enough of this we must be non-partisan bs.

[Duppers]

32. F'n Amen.

& +100 to "DOJ needs to hire more agents."