Who's Sweating Now? Ghislaine Maxwell Ends Fight to Keep John Doe Names Sealed

[Ohio Joe]

A whole lot of John Does are likely more nervous this morning.

At issue? Virginia Giuffre’s request to unseal documents that name names in her since-settled civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell, which led to a lengthy and ongoing open-records battle.

In December of last year, a Manhattan jury in Maxwell’s trial returned guilty verdicts in five of the six charges against her after six days of deliberations. Maxwell faced federal charges that included conspiracy, violations of the Mann Act, and sex trafficking a minor for her role as Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime confidante and now-convicted accomplice, related to what prosecutors described as Epstein’s “Pyramid scheme” of sexual abuse of minor girls.

Depending on what lies underneath the redactions, the unsealed information could make waves inside the same courthouse, and around the world.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/who-s-sweating-now-ghislaine-maxwell-ends-fight-to-keep-john-doe-names-sealed/ar-AASKacM?ocid=msedgntp

All involved should be prosecuted, no exceptions.

[RockRaven]

1. See also the story today about Prince Andrew losing his royal titles, etc.

Pure coincidence, the timing of that...

[FSogol]

6. I wonder if he mysteriously dies of a stroke in a week or two?

[2naSalit]

12. +1

[live love laugh]

23. Why would that happen? He's a perfect decoy while the black book names are disclosed. nt

[ZonkerHarris]

55. They did promise him he'd never spend a night in jail..... loose ends get wrapped up.

[IronLionZion]

45. Maybe prison next

Even a prince can't be above the law

[padah513]

2. "All involved should be prosecuted, no exceptions."

I'm with you there. No matter their social standing, no matter their party affiliation. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

[Duppers]

15. The Queens is stripping Andrew

of ALL his military titles and royal patronages.

Queen cuts Andrew adrift: Duke of York is stripped of ALL his military titles and royal patronages, will no longer use HRH in official capacity and is told he will have to face sex assault lawsuit as a 'private citizen'

More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10399083/Veterans-demand-Queen-strips-Andrew-military-honours.html

[Hekate]

36. "It was widely discussed within the family" "150 veterans...wrote to demand... his removal"

It comes after a day after a US judge unequivocally rejected the prince's bid to have his sex abuse case thrown out, leaving him facing the prospect of being cross-examined for seven hours on camera with embarrassing questions on everything from his sex life and 'private parts'.
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'With The Queen's approval and agreement, The Duke of York's military affiliations and Royal patronages have been returned to The Queen,' it read. 'The Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending this case as a private citizen.'

A royal source said the issue had been widely discussed with the royal family, making it likely that the Prince of Wales, as well as Andrew, were involved in crisis talks over the matter. The source said the military posts would be redistributed to other members of the royal family.
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It comes after more than 150 veterans joined forces to express their outrage, writing to the Queen to demand Andrew was removed from the honorary military positions.

Accusing the duke of bringing the services he is associated with into disrepute, the 152 former members of the Royal Navy, RAF and Army said that 'were this any other senior military officer it is inconceivable that he would still be in post'. The Queen is head of the armed forces and honorary military appointments are in her gift.

Holy cow, Randy Andy is truly up the well-known creek without a paddle. Apparently he has not got a friend left, in or out of the family.

[calimary]

38. I feel sorry for his mother.

[Blue_playwright]

40. I do too

No mom should have to deal with that. Ironically she was apparently a better, more hands-on mom for Andrew and Edward.

[Dorian Gray]

76. Maybe

That's the problem.

[Hekate]

41. I do too, actually. She has spent a life of duty to country, above all.

Young men can be forgiven by their mothers for sowing their wild oats. But he’s not a young man and this isn’t wild oats; this is the harvest of nettles.

In the end, she has a duty to protect The Family as well. This is the Queen.

[ShazzieB]

46. Yes!

She does NOT deserve this.

Nor do his siblings or his daughters. I feel very sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie, in particular.

[Dorian Gray]

77. I absolutely

feel sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie. They aren't at all responsible for the culture of the royal family or their father's sins.

I don't feel bad for the Queen. She enabled him their whole lives. This is the harvest that she reaped.

[Jakes Progress]

54. If the names come out, there are a lot of mothers,

wives, daughters and such that won't have deserved it.

[soldierant]

73. I do too. But she had no choice.

I don't mean by that that she was under pressure from anything except her own conscience, which apparently is formidable.

She has spent a lifetime not just talking about how her role as monarch is one of service to the people, but deomnstarting she neans it from voluntarily serving in the military in WWII as a driver and auto mechanic to voluntarily having the crown startpaying taxes, and beyind.

And it isn't that long since she lost her husband.

[3catwoman3]

58. Wow!

Talk about, "If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."

[Miguelito Loveless]

17. Trouble is,

the rich and powerful, especially the White, rich and powerful, seldom face consequences.

[Irish_Dem]

33. He will still live a privileged, wealthy life with every comfort.

[XanaDUer2]

44. Yup nt

[Mme. Defarge]

3. NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

[hedda_foil]

62. Unfortunately, it's unpleasantly likely that Bill Clinton's name will be among them.

I hope not, but it's best that we're prepared.

[stollen]

66. Bill Clinton was an idiot to even be on the "Lolita Express"

let alone having affairs--yes, even consensual with adult women--when he knew the GOP had already established an impeachment inquiry before anyone had even heard of Lewinski.

[AllyCat]

81. Yup. I do not understand why anyone in public light

Does that kind of thing. Anyone on that list needs to face consequences.

[OldBaldy1701E]

82. Arrogance. Out of control, overblown-ego-induced arrogance. (n/t)

[stollen]

92. ...if one of the now women can testify to underage sex.

So far, Clinton hasn't been named by any of the women.

The public needs to be informed. Who broke the law? Let's see some accountability.

[azureblue]

85. Let's get this one straight once and for all

so please pay attention:

The GOP is trying to smear BC because he used Ep's jet to go to conferences in Europe. The concert violinist Perlman also used the jet. What the GOP is trying to do is trying to confuse "A little black book" with the jet's flight logs. "BC used the jet so he must be a pedo." No. Ep loaned the jet out to charities and other people who needed a private jet to get somewhere, too. A jet costs a ton of money just sitting on the runway, so if the owner rents / leases it out, he is offsetting those static costs. So to use the same logic, Perlman and those charities, etc., are also pedos. Nope.

Here is the part the GOP is trying to hide: Flight logs, BY LAW, must show origin, destination, length of flight, and passengers on the flight. And those are public records. And the logs show where BC, as well as any other person on the jet, flew to. So flights to Epstein's pedo island will show who was on that flight, and when. Pretty incriminating.

The black book will show any person who was in that circle including Trump, who was a pedo with Epstein (T even admitted it), from Studio 54 days. Sp his name will be in there a LOT. Along with a bunch of other GOP luminaries - names and contacts. This is what got Epstein suicided. But her book is now going to be made public and you will notice the huge silence from the GOP about it...

[stollen]

91. Thanks for taking the time to write this

I hadn't known.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Vast power and wealth affords immunity from wrong doing.

This fact has been the reality for most of human history.
I will be shocked if names are made public.

[Sherman A1]

5. Agreed

I will believe it when I see it.

[Midnight Writer]

7. Still waiting for names of DC Madame's clients.

Reminder: DC Madame was found hung, ruled a suicide, just like Epstein.

Thousands of clients in her lists, but Court decided there was no compelling reason to name them.

[Ford_Prefect]

16. In an interview given the week before she died she said "If you see I've died by suicide don't

believe it". Her attorney said the same thing. They were terrified of what she could say and prove.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Exactly. DC Madame's story is a prime example of my point about power.

So is Epstein's story.

[live love laugh]

25. +1

[2Gingersnaps]

31. Which is why Maxwell will not spill the beans.

That would make her a "class traitor." They do love their entitlements.

[Tommymac]

8. Oh, they'll throw out some sacrificial lambs to divert attention from the really powerful.

Prince Andrew seems to be one so far.

My bet is that the DFP will be another.

The truly powerful will continue to pull the strings from behind the curtains, and nothing will touch the quite perverted but powerful 1%'ers.

[evolves]

29. DFP?

[calimary]

32. Yeah, what does that stand for?

Couldn’t be donald fucking putz, could it?

[rootin tootin]

37. My guess...

Defeated Former President

[Sanity Claws]

39. Defeated Former President

to replace earlier reference to The Former Guy.

[ShazzieB]

48. Ah, yes.

I kind of like Donald AKA THE LOSER Trump, but that's a lot of characters to type.

[calimary]

53. Got it.

Although I kinda like calling him the “defeated ex-president.”

“Former president” seems a bit too “tidy.”

[3catwoman3]

57. Unfortunately, he's not a ex because he did complete his term.

AFAIK, Nixon is the US's only ex-president because he resigned/quit.

I wish he were an ex-president.

[calimary]

74. Aha! I did not know that!

Learn something new every day!

[evolves]

70. Thanks!!

[mathematic]

52. On what planet would trump (DFP) be a diversion from the "really powerful"

This line of thinking almost seems like a grift. There's always somebody bigger or shadowier that's really behind all the bad things that happen in the world. Subscribe to my newsletter to find out! Tune in next time!

[modrepub]

9. Q-Anon Pedophiles

Kind of strange how one of the pillars of the QAnon craze may just have a grain of truth to it. If this list ever sees the light of day, it will probably be populated with a lot of "elites" (regardless of party).

[FSogol]

11. Projection by the GOP. n/t

[Irish_Dem]

28. Criminals typically accuse others of their own crimes.

It confuses the public and juries. People don't know who to believe or trust.

[oldsoftie]

47. But QAnonidiiots think its ONLY Democrats. Time for that to be dispelled.

And time for the chips to fall where they may

[plimsoll]

51. There only needs to be one democrat for them to be "vindicated"

So the list could be 99% GOP, but they’ll say they were right.

They’ll also probably point out that Dershowitz was a Dem at the tim.

[Sur Zobra]

59. We know of at least one high ranking

Democrat whose dirty deeds will come out: Bill Richardson. I think there will be more Dems whose names will come out.

[Sneederbunk]

10. May have Dershowitz' underwear in safe deposit box.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

78. Ewwwwwww

[Evolve Dammit]

86. That's what I was wondering... It's as bad as "I didn't inhale"...."had my underwear on." Sheesh

[FakeNoose]

13. Virginia Roberts Giuffre is only the tip of the iceberg

She can name a few big names for sure, and the rumors of who she has already named have been flying around for years. However we need to remember that Ms. Roberts Giuffre was only one victim of Epstein's illegal trafficking scheme. And she was active for only a few years before she was able to escape in Thailand and eventually land in Australia where she now lives. The book "Perversion of Justice: The Jeffrey Epstein Story" by Julie K. Brown (the investigative reporter for the Miami Herald) reveals a lot of the details about Roberts Giuffre and her quest for justice.

Jeffrey Epstein was active as a trafficker and a probable blackmailer for over half his life, and the girls' names have been shielded for privacy. Only a few have come forward and some or many have refused to reveal anything about their time with Epstein. We'll never really know the total extent of his debauchery. For that matter Ghislaine Maxwell didn't have contact with Epstein after his misdemeanor conviction in Florida in 2005. He was still doing the same stuff after that (without Maxwell), but he maintained his home in the Virgin Islands for the illegal activities. After Epstein's death, the feds raided his home in the Virgin Islands for the videos, documents and blackmail materials, but none of it has ever seen the light of day.

[inthewind21]

21. Netflix

Has a documentary "Filthy Rich" that tells the whole story.

[msfiddlestix]

84. watched that doc a year or two ago,

can't remember if it was before or after Epstein's death.. probably after. It was well done I think.

Presumably it covered the most important particulars.

[Evolve Dammit]

87. You wonder who has the evidence or accessed and destroyed it? Didn't Bill Barr visit Epstein in

prison multiple times, or is that an internet conspiracy theory?

[FakeNoose]

89. Snopes says no

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/epstein-barr-visit/

They knew each other for a long time but I don't think they were ever "buddies."

[grantcart]

90. Didn't his father hire Epstein for entry level position way back?

[Evolve Dammit]

93. thanks. All the cameras malfunctioing and guards on the internet or asleep? It is weird.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Queen E2 just stripped Andrew of title and roles. . . . nt

[ShazzieB]

42. Military titles and charities

Plus he's no longer "HRH."

Britain's Prince Andrew has been stripped of his military titles and charities, Buckingham Palace announced on Thursday, a day after a judge ruled a sexual abuse civil lawsuit against the Queen's son could proceed.

Andrew will also no longer use the style "His Royal Highness" in any official capacity, a royal source told CNN on Thursday. The source said the decision was "widely discussed" among the royal family.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/uk/prince-andrew-military-titles-charities-intl-gbr/index.html

This is a significant step, that makes me think something REALLY bad is about to come out concerning him, and HM the Queeen knows it.

[Moebym]

60. He's reportedly her favorite.

She must be distraught.

[inthewind21]

22. Maybe

She's doesn't want to end up hanging in her cell.

[calimary]

34. OMG - you're probably right.

Gruesome even to think about!

[ShazzieB]

50. Isn't telling all she knows the best way to avoid that?

Epstein died before he had a chance to reveal anything. If she was going to be killed for the same reason, why wait until she's been tried and convicted?

[Ohio Joe]

26. Agreed...

I've wondered the same.

[childfreebychoice]

20. Two names won't be on that list, pres Biden and VP:

Harris' husband. Wanna bet fox personalities like kkklanity, o' oily, Bannon, and sadly a few dems

[calimary]

35. Yep. I think one thing we can count on is our President and VP's husband

will not be on the list. They’re just not the type.

Frankly, I’d expect the donald’s name to be on that list.

[ShazzieB]

43. Oh, please, please, please, let the Donald's name be on that list!

PLEASE! 🙏

[calimary]

75. Wouldn't that be sweet?

Certainly wouldn’t be surprising.

[KS Toronado]

24. I'm sure FailedCoupGuy will be on the list

because of his friendship with Epstein. And reQublicOns will have dozens of excuses why it is just another
Democratic lie out to harm their Orange Fuhrer, and he'll lose no followers.

[FakeNoose]

61. Actually she didn't ever have a "date" with Chump

Virginia Roberts Giuffre has spoken with reporters such as Julie K. Brown of the Miami Herald. Roberts Giuffre probably does know the names of some women who had "dates" with Chump while they were under-age, however she has already said that she wasn't one of those girls. She said she couldn't stand him, and apparently he wasn't attracted to her either.

It remains to be seen how many women will actually step forward to tell their stories the same way Roberts Giuffre has. But we need to remember that she was also awarded about $500K in damages, while the other women received nothing from Epstein (yet). There are probably several women who would rather remain silent and maintain their privacy and avoid getting hounded by reporters and lawyers.

Things could change when the Epstein estate pays out damages to the women that have made claims that they were "trafficked" while under the age of consent.

[2Gingersnaps]

30. "All involved should be prosecuted, no exceptions."

Absolutely.

[stollen]

65. Fortunately it's a female judge

otherwise, forgetaboutit.

[PatrickforB]

49. No exceptions. A lot of rich and powerful men and possibly women will be

going to grey-bar city.

[liberalla]

56. I don't believe they'll make the names publicly available to *everyone* - - - no matter how

much I want to see them! The BIG, IMPORTANT people are always protected. I hope I'm wrong.

[Gore1FL]

63. That might explain the actions by the Queen on Mr. Andrew Windsor, today.

There was a Duke of York
He had some shady friends.
They took underage girls
And they used them for their ends.

He took Jeff's airplane up.
He took Jeff's airplane down.
That island trip seemed wonderful
Until he lost his crown.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

79. DUzy

[stollen]

64. I so hope Derschowitz' name comes up

I can't stand the little liar.

[ancianita]

67. The cucarachas hate sunlight.

[Mike Nelson]

68. Well...

... I did not follow the trial very closely, but I believe it was likely proved she participated in the sex abuse. I don't care how - she's a sex abuser. That being said, I would deal with her... I would want to know the names of any people on the list who abused the girls. I'm not interested in who rode on the plane... only the names of other abusers. Generally, these people don't stop! If they are wealthy and powerful, they are a continuing danger...

[Goodheart]

69. How is it that the enablers have been convicted, but not the creeps who sexually abused the girls?

Sealed names of clients? Wouldn't the justice department already know those names? Where are the arrests ALREADY?

[former9thward]

72. Yes, the DOJ and FBI would know the names.

Why no arrests? It depends on what people on the list actually knew at the time.

[Blue Owl]

71. I wanna see Dump's makeup streaming down his face a la Tammy Faye Baker

You know there's some dirt on Dump somewhere in the Epstein case... FF45 could never help himself...

[leftyladyfrommo]

80. This could get really good.

She doesn't have any thing to lose now.

I bet she dies mysteriously.

[BeckyDem]

83. Fingers crossed for justice.

The names of those who participated, if exposed, will bring attention to this behavior some people believe is acceptable if you have enough money.

[flying_wahini]

88. This is from the very old article about Epstein and connections he had....

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303



…His current fan club extends to Cayne, Henry Rosovsky, the former dean of Harvard’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences, and Larry Summers, Harvard’s current president. Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz says, “I’m on my 20th book…. The only person outside of my immediate family that I send drafts to is Jeffrey.” Real-estate developer and philanthropist Marshall Rose, who has worked with Epstein on projects in New Albany, Ohio, for Wexner, says, “He digests and decodes the information very rapidly, which is to me terrific because we have shorter meetings.”

Also on the list of admirers are former senator George Mitchell and a gaggle of distinguished scientists, most of whom Epstein has helped fund in recent years. They include Nobel Prize winners Gerald Edelman and Murray Gell-Mann, and mathematical biologist Martin Nowak. When these men describe Epstein, they talk about “energy” and “curiosity,” as well as a love for theoretical physics that they don’t ordinarily find in laymen. Gell-Mann rather sweetly mentions that “there are always pretty ladies around” when he goes to dinner chez Epstein, and he’s under the impression that Epstein’s clients include the Queen of England. Both Nowak and Dershowitz were thrilled to find themselves shaking the hand of a man named “Andrew” in Epstein’s house. “Andrew” turned out to be Prince Andrew, who subsequently arranged to sit in the back of Dershowitz’s law class.