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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:57 AM Jan 2022

Florida bill would allow cameras in classrooms and microphones on teachers

Republican state legislators in Florida are mulling passing
a bill that would force teachers to wear microphones in class so that parents could monitor the lessons they're teaching students. The legislation is being pitched by Florida State Rep. Bob Rommel, who says that he believes that teachers can be monitored constantly without any infringements on privacy.

"I think if we can do it in a safe way to protect the privacy of students and teachers, I think we should do it," Rommel said. "I haven't heard a response good or bad from any teachers, but … it's not their private space. It's our children's space, too."

But Broward Teachers Union President Anna Fusco tells CBS that she's worried that people will be discouraged from entering the teaching profession if parents can monitor them at all times and criticize the lessons they're giving.
"You want to play Big Brother every moment?" she asked. "That's not how society should be. We need to get back to where we have trust, we have value, we have faith and we have conversations and we can work things out if something happens."

"If one parent wants it, the camera goes in the room. If the other 10 parents don't want it, they don't have a say," she said. "It can be looked at any time. We don't know how they're going to keep in in record, so they never get that piece out. And also the funding -- there is no funding," Fusco said.

She warns that the proposal could discourage even more people from turning to teaching in Florida.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-bill-would-allow-cameras-in-classrooms-and-microphones-on-teachers/
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Florida bill would allow cameras in classrooms and microphones on teachers (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 OP
everyone at home watching and filming, not just the teacher but the students. putting funny stuff on Demovictory9 Jan 2022 #1
Freedumb! . .. Lovie777 Jan 2022 #2
"The Latins". ? n/t left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #3
I don't know we do this in kennels for our animals jimfields33 Jan 2022 #5
Do you think that's what this is about? róisín_dubh Jan 2022 #6
If it's that safe,do you believe every American should wear one? Torchlight Jan 2022 #12
lol obamanut2012 Jan 2022 #15
Right. Because teachers in classrooms are such a hot spot for molestation. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #19
That's some 1984 shit right there! CrackityJones75 Jan 2022 #22
Who the hell are you referring to? róisín_dubh Jan 2022 #7
WTF does this have to do with Latinos? Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #20
wtf Latinos? obamanut2012 Jan 2022 #27
Who gets to see the audio and video. Can anybody request it and post it online any part of it ? Walleye Jan 2022 #4
That was my first thought as well Hav Jan 2022 #9
Do they really want their stupid kids stupid questions posted online and ridiculed? Walleye Jan 2022 #13
They'll be a skeezer paywall to help fund Florida. Next up dress code requiring girls to wear skirts TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #39
The Stasi would be proud. GoCubsGo Jan 2022 #8
Look at these small government repubs Hav Jan 2022 #10
Some teachers may actually like some aspects of having video and audio madville Jan 2022 #11
Uh. Cops and Teachers aren't the same. Mad_Machine76 Jan 2022 #14
Of course not madville Jan 2022 #24
I assume that that is a service voluntarily provided by the Pet Hotel Mad_Machine76 Jan 2022 #26
I know, I'm just half joking but still madville Jan 2022 #29
I'm not sure I agree with all that personally Mad_Machine76 Jan 2022 #32
lol obamanut2012 Jan 2022 #16
Creepy intrusions into the lives of others seems a badge of honor for conservatives. Torchlight Jan 2022 #17
They demand "transparency" for everybody else Mad_Machine76 Jan 2022 #28
These are teachers who are risking their lives and their family's lives every day to go to school. Scrivener7 Jan 2022 #18
+1 2naSalit Jan 2022 #25
One more Repub nail in the coffin of public education HAB911 Jan 2022 #21
So glad SO is retiring after this year mcar Jan 2022 #23
Could any pedophile just dial up a kindergarten and watch for shits and giggles? NightWatcher Jan 2022 #30
I thought of that too left-of-center2012 Jan 2022 #33
Text of bill: dalton99a Jan 2022 #31
Hideous Idea RobinA Jan 2022 #34
This is a BRILLIANT idea gratuitous Jan 2022 #35
Does Communist China do this? moondust Jan 2022 #36
Monitor teachers not cops. OK. n/t OneGrassRoot Jan 2022 #37
Since everything is recorded, not only will the brats be exposed, but teachers forced to flunk them. TheBlackAdder Jan 2022 #38

Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
1. everyone at home watching and filming, not just the teacher but the students. putting funny stuff on
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 07:59 AM
Jan 2022

youtube.

why not put microphones on the parents in the workplace? just as invasive

Lovie777

(12,262 posts)
2. Freedumb! . ..
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:02 AM
Jan 2022

I guess the Latinos are ok with that too. Many Latinos fled their country because of bullshit like this.

Anyone seen the movie "Eyeborgs".

jimfields33

(15,801 posts)
5. I don't know we do this in kennels for our animals
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:23 AM
Jan 2022

Our children should have as much safety measures. If it stops even one molestation or worse, it’s worth it.

Torchlight

(3,336 posts)
12. If it's that safe,do you believe every American should wear one?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:17 AM
Jan 2022

As you stated without qualifier: If it stops even one molestation or worse, it’s worth it.

(to keep it honest, please bear in mind your point was safety-- nothing else)

Walleye

(31,022 posts)
4. Who gets to see the audio and video. Can anybody request it and post it online any part of it ?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:20 AM
Jan 2022

Are parents ready for their children in the stupid things they say being posted and laughed at by vindictive other children?. Just like everything the right wing does, they did not think this through

Hav

(5,969 posts)
9. That was my first thought as well
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 08:51 AM
Jan 2022

Especially as an introvert, the thought of being under constant observation would be terrifying.

TheBlackAdder

(28,194 posts)
39. They'll be a skeezer paywall to help fund Florida. Next up dress code requiring girls to wear skirts
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:48 PM
Jan 2022


but am I far off?

madville

(7,410 posts)
11. Some teachers may actually like some aspects of having video and audio
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:14 AM
Jan 2022

At all times in the classroom, it can protect someone like a cop or teacher way more than hurt them. I worked for a company at one time that sold and maintained the camera systems and data storage for large law enforcement agencies. 90% of the cops grew to love the cameras because it quickly wiped out most of the false complaints they used to get.

When parents see video and hear audio of their little sweet angel bullying other students or cussing out the teacher, they will say the cameras and mics are an invasion of privacy then lol.

madville

(7,410 posts)
24. Of course not
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:35 AM
Jan 2022

The Pet Hotel I take my dog to has live cameras with audio where you can check on your pet through an app anytime, is that an invasion of privacy for the human staff there?

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
26. I assume that that is a service voluntarily provided by the Pet Hotel
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:52 AM
Jan 2022

Not being imposed on them by law. At any rate, I think we know that this particular legislation is being pushed for malicious purposes.

madville

(7,410 posts)
29. I know, I'm just half joking but still
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:57 AM
Jan 2022

There will eventually be cameras everywhere, we are already well on our way, especially all government institutions, urban areas and places of business.

Are cameras in school buses mandated by law in some areas? I don’t know, but many school buses have cameras nowadays regardless of how the driver feels about it.

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
32. I'm not sure I agree with all that personally
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:07 PM
Jan 2022

but I know what you mean. I just am wary of it being pushed by bad actors for seemingly political and/or ideological reasons. There is nothing good coming out of Florida and/or De(ath)Santis.

Torchlight

(3,336 posts)
17. Creepy intrusions into the lives of others seems a badge of honor for conservatives.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:40 AM
Jan 2022

As well, it opens so many avenues to abuse, especially in a school setting with so many children around; though I suspect for the creepy, that may well be a design feature rather than an argument against it.

Now, if Bob Rummel wants to put his money where his mush-mouth is, he can demonstrate the effectiveness of this concept by also wearing a mic and camera during every discussion, meeting, closed-door speech, strategy session, luncheon, dinner, fund-raiser as well as each and every word, movement and deed done in his capacity of representative.

If he believes that's too much, he may be on to something.

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
28. They demand "transparency" for everybody else
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 11:53 AM
Jan 2022

they are unwilling to provide themselves. Even when transparency is required by law, they still fight about (i.e. Arizona GOP)

Scrivener7

(50,949 posts)
18. These are teachers who are risking their lives and their family's lives every day to go to school.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 09:46 AM
Jan 2022

They get paid crap, their benefits are crap. There is little help for them in dealing with children who have special needs. They could go almost anywhere else and be paid a lot better.

The lot of teachers and school personnel around the country is deteriorating very quickly, but perhaps nowhere as fast and as badly as Florida.

I suspect Florida is about to lose a lot of teachers.

mcar

(42,331 posts)
23. So glad SO is retiring after this year
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 10:27 AM
Jan 2022

They also are proposing that parents who object to something in the curriculum will be able to have the teacher develop an entirely different curriculum for their little darling. Which means that a teacher with 30 students per class could be required to have 30 different lesson plans for each class. For high school teachers who have 100+ students each day, that could be 100 different plans.

That said, parents don't come to open houses, skip out on parent-teacher meetings, don't join the PTA. The performance artists who show up to scream at school board members are small in number (and in brains).


NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
30. Could any pedophile just dial up a kindergarten and watch for shits and giggles?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:04 PM
Jan 2022

If only parents could watch, they wont. Most parents don't read weekly emails, how do they think that they'd watch hours of footage each day? This is intimidation of teachers, but don't worry, we're short staffed and teachers are leaving everyday.

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
34. Hideous Idea
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:22 PM
Jan 2022

I can't believe this would even be a consideration. I certainly wouldn't consider teaching if that was happening and I would quit if I were a teacher and this went into effect. I thank god I am 64 and can retire soon. This is the way the working world is going and I don't want any part of it.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
35. This is a BRILLIANT idea
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:23 PM
Jan 2022

It's so good, in fact, that we shouldn't waste time bugging teachers, but we should absolutely, 100% have camera crews following around Florida elected officials day and night, making them wear wires 24-7, and let every citizen monitor their daily shenanigans.

In other words, Florida legislators casting about for something useful to do, "You first."

moondust

(19,981 posts)
36. Does Communist China do this?
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:33 PM
Jan 2022

They use facial recognition cameras on the streets but I haven't heard of them monitoring classrooms. Maybe they just need some totalitarian advice from the GQP.

TheBlackAdder

(28,194 posts)
38. Since everything is recorded, not only will the brats be exposed, but teachers forced to flunk them.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:42 PM
Jan 2022

.

This is a double-edged sword that will come back on the parents and students alike.

The students will reveal themselves as assholes, something that is currently masked because teachers mentioning how fucked up parent's dear little ones are would get yelled at. Now, the whole world can see how fucked up their spawn is and there will be recorded evidence that can be used against the kids.

Teachers won't be as likely to give free passes to students, since they will reveal themselves.

Teachers should make the kids stand up in front of the class and read aloud their names and scores on each test.


Say goodbye to those Ivy schools, unless you're one of the good ones.

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