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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,176 posts)
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:34 PM Jan 2022

Hey, Virginia lawmakers, the Lincoln-Douglas debates did not involve Frederick Douglass

The Washington Post is having fun here




Section B3 of the bill, which was sponsored by Republican freshman Del. Wren Williams, defined what could be taught as “the founding documents,” like the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, excerpts from the Federalist Papers, the writings of the Founding Fathers and Alexis de Tocqueville’s classic “Democracy in America.” Oh, and one more thing: “the first debate between Abraham Lincoln and Frederick Douglass.”

It was a clear reference to the famed Lincoln-Douglas debates, one of the high points in this country’s intellectual, moral and civic history, but there’s just one problem: Lincoln did not debate Frederick Douglass.

By Friday morning, Frederick Douglass was trending on Twitter, and the bill had been withdrawn.



......The Lincoln-Douglas debates took place in the late summer and fall of 1858, when Lincoln was the Republican candidate for Senate challenging Democratic incumbent Stephen A. Douglas. At the time, senators were chosen not by popular vote but by state legislatures; their respective campaigns were designed to help their parties win control of the Illinois legislature, which would then install one of them as senator.
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Hey, Virginia lawmakers, the Lincoln-Douglas debates did not involve Frederick Douglass (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2022 OP
Good call. I noticed a similar thread earlier today and never twigged to it. nt abqtommy Jan 2022 #1
Lincoln has the selfie to prove it. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2022 #2
What a moron. grumpyduck Jan 2022 #3
It took me a little bit to remember who the right "Douglas" was AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2022 #5
Yeah, but this guy is a lawmaker. grumpyduck Jan 2022 #8
The Lincoln-Douglas debates were historic enough, but... patphil Jan 2022 #4
Super Trumper name on the bill keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #6
Don't forget about Trump's dumbass underpants Jan 2022 #7
At least he didn't call him Fred. LOL. Vinca Jan 2022 #13
"Founding documents" even. DeeNice Jan 2022 #9
Wait! You Didn't Know.... ProfessorGAC Jan 2022 #11
Hey, Wren! Thank God you republicans won that war back in the 1860s. keithbvadu2 Jan 2022 #10
The really sad thing is this was not the mistake of one man. Mr.Bill Jan 2022 #12

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,010 posts)
5. It took me a little bit to remember who the right "Douglas" was
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:57 PM
Jan 2022

I knew Frederick was wrong, but I couldn't remember Stephen right away. I think there is a "Mandela Effect" thing with this - but it's probably just bad history education in the US.

patphil

(6,172 posts)
4. The Lincoln-Douglas debates were historic enough, but...
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 12:56 PM
Jan 2022

if there were Lincoln-Douglass debates back then it would have been several orders of magnitude more historic.
Imagine, a former slave representing the Democratic Party in his debates with Lincoln!

This is what happens when ignorant people get into government.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
9. "Founding documents" even.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 01:46 PM
Jan 2022

I wasn't aware that our 16th president was involved in the founding of our nation.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
11. Wait! You Didn't Know....
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:12 PM
Jan 2022

...Lincoln helped write the constitution when he was negative 20 years old? What was your schools teaching?

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
12. The really sad thing is this was not the mistake of one man.
Fri Jan 14, 2022, 06:13 PM
Jan 2022

He likely has a staff that assisted in writing this law. And none of them caught it.

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