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Arizona state officials send out a statement prior to Trumps rally re stating Trump lost the election again! Bannon said that Trumps rally would force Arizona to decertify the states election and it would hand Trump the state electoral vote! Arizona says NOPE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, Paraphrasing their words!
Cha
(297,190 posts)that on tv?
TY!
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)"force" Arizona to decertify the state's election?
Why would they even believe that could happen, and why would anyone else believe it would happen?
Bannon has to stop eating urinal cakes.
wryter2000
(46,039 posts)That a huge crowd would rise up and take over the state house and force the government to do the right thing. How did that work out for them?
SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)llashram
(6,265 posts)the 'officials' of the rally passed the plate among their unwashed brethren and clears some decent $$$. That's the only reason for trump continuing this kabuki theatre. The only reason he even speaks up. He agitates his mob and then begs for dollars. He's a grifter, con artist and sexual predator. Yet millions love this POS. What's that say about this country we live in?
I'm kinda worried. But I still believe there are millions upon millions that are decent, strong and committed Americans. We believe in equal treatment of our citizens. Fairness in trade4. And the basic goodness in many many hearts. AND be WILLING to stand up for what is a sane and reasonable government. To stand at the barricades and say HELL NO! Up yours to any in that RW cult.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,956 posts)SergeStorms
(19,199 posts)you know, as an alternative to the vaccine.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)by the muck all over them.
comradebillyboy
(10,144 posts)Steve Jobs and Bill Gates did. But Bannon is a faker.
cab67
(2,992 posts)He doesn't give two shits about reality, as long as everyone is fighting over it.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)is that legal?
dchill
(38,482 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)That big fat slob sits there and tries to cause riots, yet if someone is caught stealing a candy bar at a store they go to jail for 6 months. Something is off there.
DBoon
(22,363 posts)It made crossing state lines to incite an insurrection a Federal offense
ancianita
(36,051 posts)However, in June 2019, a federal district court in California, overseeing the case of members of the Rise Above Movement related to both the Unite the Right rally and other protests in California, ruled that the Anti-Riot Act was unconstitutional in that it was "overbroad in violation of the First Amendment."[72]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968#Title_XCivil_Obedience
https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-hb-ram-charges-dropped-20190604-story.html
Judge Cormac Carney granted a defense motion Monday to dismiss the two-count indictment, concluding that the federal Anti-Riot Act is unconstitutionally overbroad in violation of the First Amendment.
The three defendants are Robert Rundo, 29, of Huntington Beach who authorities say is a founding member of the Rise Above Movement Robert Boman, 25, of Torrance and Aaron Eason, 39, of Anza in Riverside County. A grand jury indicted them Nov. 1 on one count each of conspiracy to commit rioting and one count of use of interstate commerce with intent to riot.
We are disappointed with the courts ruling and we are reviewing the possibility of an appeal, U.S. attorneys office spokesman Ciaran McEvoy said Tuesday.
Attorneys for Rundo did not respond to a request for comment.
A fourth defendant, Tyler Laube, 22, of Redondo Beach, pleaded guilty Nov. 20 to one count of conspiracy to violate the Anti-Riot Act.
On Tuesday, his attorney, Jerome Haig, filed a notice of a motion to withdraw Laubes guilty plea. If it is granted, he will motion to dismiss the charges against his client, Haig said. Those motions would be heard by Carney.
I cant imagine the judge wont grant it, Haig said. He wouldnt sentence a defendant on a statue that he has found as unconstitutional.
Two other members of RAM pleaded guilty to federal charges last month.
In his ruling Monday, Carney said the Anti-Riot Act doesnt just criminalize violent acts or acts committed during a riot situation. No violence even need to occur, he wrote.
A defendant could be convicted for posting about a political rally on Facebook or texting friends about when to meet up, the judge stated.
One persons protest might be another persons riot, he wrote. It is easy to champion free speech when it advocates a viewpoint with which we agree. It is much harder when the speech promotes ideas that we find abhorrent.
Carney noted that prosecutions under the 1968 riot statute enacted at the height of demonstrations addressing civil rights and the Vietnam War have been rare and that the laws constitutionality hasnt been widely evaluated.
Know what seems really bothersome here?
That this Title X anti-riot act's dismissal arguments could be used as a motion for all the holdouts charged and indicted and still awaiting trial or going through trials. I don't know if they're all being tried and are waiting to take up this argument on appeals, or what.
79 out of 177 convicted have been sentenced. None of those sentences have been overturned. None of the convictions have been overturned, but it appears to me that they could be if enough of those left to be sentenced -- 98 to-date -- could win their cases based on this argument, and thus overturn the sentences of the 79. I find it hard to believe that people would still plead not guilty when there's ample evidence brought forward, but among the 700+ who were arrested, they might very well be, evidence or no evidence, using these arguments.
zaj
(3,433 posts)Sentath
(2,243 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,788 posts)Bannon/Trump can just send more tourists to the state capital to break in, attack police, smear poop on the walls and seek to assassinate gov't officials.
With armed vigilantes nearby to back them up.
lees1975
(3,850 posts)had to let people in for free.
ShazzieB
(16,389 posts)That's terrific!
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)How many times does he want to lose? Just keep it up loser!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)This rally was in a remote town, not an expensive urban stadium, and likely was designed to profit on the gullible. I was a college educator in that county, and some of my college algebra students graduated high school without knowing fractions. Florence AZ is a prison town and prisons are the number one industry in the county.
kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)Not much of a place. The wedding was in the evening and there wasnt much there to do during the day. We had a good laugh knowing a bunch of attendees stayed at the motel we stayed at and would freak out knowing two old liberals from SF stayed there! I bet the owner of that arena did not charge him for the event. And he probably used the local police financed by tax payers to do the security. All his supporters are major suckers.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)and sooner or later it's going to cause him trouble. I hope no secret service agents are killed when something happens.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)are controlling "lizard DNA Trump" via remote control from an adrenochrome bar under the Space Needle.
They'll appoint themselves the savior of children/USA/Trump/God/clean underwear and bald eagles and try to put a plug in "lizard Trump."
GB_RN
(2,350 posts)But, there's no mechanism in the Constitution for decertification. So, it can't happen, regardless of what that fat slug says.
Granted, I'm not an expert on constitutional law and whatnot, but as to a previous comment about Bannon making seditious comments, I don't necessarily see this as falling under sedition*. But he is definitely lying - and that's covered under 1st Amendment grounds. Unfortunately, like Faux Nuz, the bastard can lie all he wants and is legally allowed to do so, right up until he uses those lies to directly provoke someone to kill, etc: The oblique references to violence like Empty Greene uses give them plausible deniability.
*If someone can show me the relevant statutory and/or case law that proves otherwise, I'll be more than happy to admit I'm wrong as I would love to see his ass prosecuted for each and every criminal count he's entitled to! 😉😁🖖
Sentath
(2,243 posts)Paywalled. They don't like my adblocker(s). lol
At any rate, Batshit Bannon's talking out of his ass, and he knows it. It's just too bad he can't be indicted for deliberately lying to people. We'd damn sure have had Faux Nuz shut down for that a long time ago...