All of the Trump investigations now have smoking gun evidence.

[fightforfreedom]

Documents, e-mails, text messages, hand written notes, recorded phone calls, witnesses. When prosecutors have smoking gun evidence they do not give up and go home. They keep investigating and then they present the smoking gun evidence to a jury.

We have all witnessed the crimes, there is smoking gun evidence that backs up what we witnessed.

The NY investigations, the AG just showed us some of the documents that proves fraud. They are not going to give up. There will be trials.

The Georgia investigation, Trumps recorded phone call to the secretary of state is smoking gun evidence. He broke state election law, he is guilty. That crime will also become part of the investigation into the attempted coup.

We all know the Jan. 6th committee has smoking gun evidence. Documents that prove there was a conspiracy to over turn the election, to over throw the government. The committee will turn all the evidence they have to Garland when they finish up this summer. Nothing can stop the Garland investigation. People will be indicted, there will be trials. Does anybody really believe people like Rudy will not be put on trial?

I know some people believe nothing will come of these investigations. I believe they are wrong. This time things are different, these investigations have taken on a life of their own.

[we can do it]

1. Too many here prefer tearing down over building up.

[mucifer]

2. What makes me so angry is the prosecutors in the state of NY let him get away with crimes decades

before he ran for President.

[FalloutShelter]

6. NY real estate market is a

cesspool if corruption. Everyone gets greased.
It’s go along to get along and has been for a generation. I have a close friend with family connected. You have no idea.

[mucifer]

7. that is exactly what I am saying.

[wnylib]

18. But at least the Republican Party in NY

rejected Trump's attempt to run for governor.

In 2014, Trump announced that he would run for NY governor as a Republican on one condition. The party had to accept him as THE candidate, without any other primary candidates. The Party leaders said, "No way."

[Chainfire]

3. I would love to believe that one day, the FBI will show up and serve and arrest warrant on Trump.

I don't think it is going to happen. The only true thing that I can Remember Trump saying is that, “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and wouldn’t lose any voters, okay?” Trump said, mimicking firing a gun with his fingers. “It’s, like, incredible.” It was also inferred that he would escape justice from the courts. After all, he has been running a criminal enterprise all of his adult life and never faced justice.

We better be careful what we wish for. A Trump trial would initiate violence in the country that we have not known since the Civil War. What I wish is that God would send the man a ticket on the River Jordan cruise.

[fightforfreedom]

4. If putting Trump on trial leads to violence, so be it.

Fuck him, fuck his voters.

[empedocles]

5. The trump/trumper cases are getting stronger every week.

[FalloutShelter]

8. My thought is that it is not out of fear for violence...

But rather international image and use for possible propaganda. Jailing a former leader is not a good look for a healthy democracy. JMHO.

I say no jail needed. Just bankrupt the MF.
Take money and holdings. Fate worse than death for these people.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

10. I look at it the other way,

putting Trump and his minions on trial would show the world that the rule of law applies to even former Presidents.

Yes, shame and bankrupt him, but also put him on trial and if convicted, then prison.

[WA-03 Democrat]

16. 100% Agree!

[dameatball]

17. We sometimes hear about Democrats and "messaging" and it is not always in a postive manner.

Just my opinion, but we need a message that no one can misinterpret, twist or ignore. That is that the rule of law applies to all, just as you are saying. If we want to conduct the people's business then we need to mean business. This is the time to make that clear.

[wnylib]

20. Put them in a migrant detention center cage.

[uponit7771]

41. +1

[WillUSAF]

21. Completely agree!!

[Ferryboat]

26. Agree 100%

Putting TDFG in prison sends a message. No political figure is above the law. His base may very well erupt in violence. So what, lock them up with him, or as in the past blindfolded with a cigarette against the wall.

As to those involved with this, the supporting cast of misfits, Stone, Bannon etc. After bankruptcy, loss voting rights, firearm possession, banning them from participating in any form of government services as an adviser, staff member or god forbid an elected official.
If they survive prison let them collect social security, participate in our wonderful health care system. They maybe able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[uponit7771]

39. +1

[fightforfreedom]

12. I believe the opposite.

Jailing a former president who attempted, is still attempting, to destroy our democracy is good for our democracy. Not charging Trump for what he has done gives all future presidents the ability to do the same.

[Chainfire]

13. I am not sure how healthy our Democracy is right now.

Perhaps putting the man behind bars would be a good lesson to the rest of the Fascist bastards that are fighting to destroy our Representative Democracy.

[ificandream]

24. I think if we were to put Trump in handcuffs ....

... it would make the Democracy a lot stronger. We need to end this Republican corruption. I read (for what it's worth) is that the upcoming voting public is progressive. I hope that's true.

[lagomorph777]

15. Wrong. Letting a despot get away with murder (COVID genocide) is not a good look.

Nor does it polish our image on the international stage to allow an insurrectionist to get away with it.

How could we claim to be a democracy if we don't do anything about an attempt to steal it?

[onecaliberal]

31. Letting a former potus try to overthrow the government without consequences

Is the worst possible thing we could do. If we say the laws apply to everyone, that includes the soulless bastards who tried to disregard the votes of 81 million people.

[70sEraVet]

9. If Trump is led to prison in manicles, he still won't lose his fanatic base.

It's scary.

[Chainfire]

14. Losing Trump does not lose our slide into Fascism among his base.

There are dozens of national figures vying for his position with the goal of eliminating the ability of the people to govern themselves. Trump is a symptom of a bigger disease. Some of the ones, DeSantis in particular, are more dangerous because they don't come across as a being a painted clown.

That said, I want him gone, if for no other reason, that he is the poster boy for what is wrong with our nation. I am afraid that so many of us have fallen for the big lie, that the only way we will recover will after they have taken over and run things so badly into the ground, that they begin to see the error of their way. It could well be a long, drawn-out and painful solution.

We have not taken good care of our Democracy and it is slipping away from us.

[wnylib]

23. In fact, some members of that base are

people who work as prison guards. They would give him preferential treatment. Might even help in trying to pull off an escape.

[LaMouffette]

27. The MOST fanatical true believers (not just Republicans in office kissing his ass out of fear) will

stick with him to the very end. But I bet that when TFG finally goes away, either when he is finally locked up or his dementia becomes incapacitating, that almost all of the Republicans in office will heave a collective sigh of relief, and then do their trick of pretending that the bad thing (i.e., the Trump Years) never happened. Their voters will sputter in confusion for a very short while, and then they, too, will carry on as if Trump never happened.

That's my prediction, anyway.

[Scrivener7]

30. I think you're right. It'll be like Warren Jeffs, where the die-hards double down.

But even Warren Jeffs lost a lot of his sheep when the evidence (the tape of the little girl) came out.

[NCjack]

42. I think his base would be shattered if he presents a defense that

he was from the beginning of his failed term and is currently insane.

Imagine the embarrassment of blindly following a self-confessed insane person.

[Straw Man]

47. Remember that the key to his appeal ...

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... is his image as a "winner." He swaggers around the rally stages in his big coat, sticking his jaw out and doing his weird fist-pump dance to "YMCA." He's the Teflon Don who can't lose. Thumbs-up all around.

Now picture him in an orange jumpsuit. Take away his $1000 comb-over and his spray-painted tan. His bluster will start to sound like whining, and his fan-base will evaporate. A few die-hards may stick with him, but for all intents and purposes the Trump Show will be over.

That's my prediction.

[fwvinson]

11. We have the Army, the National Guard.

Any violence won't be coordinated, that takes alot of money. I'm thinking people aren't giving tfg much money anymore.

[jmowreader]

29. I don't think so

The vast majority of Trump’s supporters see him as an honest man and a successful businessman. If we can PROVE what a piece of shit he is before the trial, they’ll drop him like a hot rock.

This includes a lot of the militia people. They fell in behind Trump because they believed he was a different kind of politician. They “know” all politicians are crooks, and “knew” Trump wasn’t a crooked politician. If he turns out to be the worst crook of all, which is what we suspect…

The secret is making sure these people know Trump was using them in an attempt to escape Justice. Y’see, if Trump would have been able to slicky his way into a second term, the statutes of limitations on all the crimes he committed before 2017 would have expired, and he PROBABLY could have convinced a follow-on Republican administration to declare his actions on 1-6-21 were covered by executive privilege.

However…if his crimes are revealed before he goes on trial for them, any violence will be directed toward Republicans as punishment for allowing that piece of shit to soil the office of the president.

[Chainfire]

44. If his people haven't figured it out by now, no amount of evidence will convince them.

Massive amounts of physical evidence and witness testimony will prove to them the massive conspiracy to persecute their hero. Keep in mind, these are folks who are still sure the election was stolen and that Covid has never been a serious issue. They don't love Trump because he is an apparent business success, they love him because they see Trump as one of them. They love him because he brings grief to their enemies. (you and me)

I recently read another story of a German soldier who served in WWII. He grew up listening to nothing but Nazi propaganda, because the Nazi's controlled the media. His school teachers had to spread the party word, his preachers followed. He accepted that the Jews were the enemy of the people. He was intimidated to join the Hitler Youth and he admits he was a full believer based on that was all that he ever heard. He only begin to doubt when the Thousand Year Reich was in ashes. I don't know why Americans can not see that we are following in the same path. We are just in the early phases.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

45. +1! As some wise person once said,

"It is far easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been been fooled."

And even if you do convince them, good luck getting them to admit it.

Anyone paying attention to Pissolini has seen loads of evidence that he is a blatant liar and a hypocrite, a rude crude, and nasty operator. It doesn't bother them. In fact, it's a big part of why they love him.

[DownriverDem]

19. Patience is not a virtue for some.

I live in Michigan and we are now finding out about the fake trump electors. Our AG Dana Nessel is a strong Dem. She will not let this go.

[doc03]

22. I am looking for a "John Dean" to come forward with the evidence to

put him away for the rest of his miserable life. I don't think he will serve one day in any cell but at least
it may stop him from running for any office again.

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. He/she may have already come forward in closed hearings

In the committee’s letter to Ivanka yesterday, they alluded to the fact that they already had testimony confirming that WH counsel advised Trump that his scheme to have Pence count the false slates of electors was illegal, and Pence’s COS Marc Short has testified that the WH/Trump campaign sent copies of the fake elector certificates to Pence.

Rudy appears to be at the Center of the scheme, and I don’t think he has Roger Stone-like loyalty to Trump, and he doesn’t have Trump in power at this point to pardon him.

[bucolic_frolic]

25. Still awaiting the reveal

of the RNC/DNC bomb plot. Don't know why, but I suspect it's all connected.

[childfreebychoice]

32. I am still waiting for some enterprising " journalists"

To dig into what was in those never released, computer hacked rnc emails

[AllaN01Bear]

36. same here .

[KS Toronado]

28. I hope these investigations take on an afterlife........

Rs have trouble finding anybody who wants to even listen to them.

[childfreebychoice]

33. If they take back Congress, only investigating going

On will be done by fbi and doj, cuz rethugs will end all committee investigations

[KS Toronado]

34. Thank goodness we'll never have to worry about that.

As the Grand Juries and Select Committee expose R's evil doings, independent voters will shove elected Rs
out the window, and history shows they are the ones who decide elections.

[uponit7771]

37. K&R, there would have ALREADY been arrest if this was a GQP AG and dems THOUGHT of doing J6

[PatSeg]

38. K&R

[Sherman A1]

40. Believe it when I see it

Not before.

[malaise]

46. Great Post

Rec
The party’s over!

[Progressive Jones]

48. I agree 100%. nt

[Emile]

49. In the mean time he is still breaking laws and Republicans because of the big lie

are changing voting laws all across the United States.

[denbot]

50. From your mouth to my cat's ear..

This can't be ignored like so many other things in the past. This time shit got real.

[Emile]

51. +1 Lock Him Up!