Fri Jan 21, 2022, 02:40 PM
turbinetree (23,960 posts)
Rejoice--Kyrsten Sinema's Political Career is Already OverLast edited Sat Jan 22, 2022, 12:26 AM - Edit history (1) ![]() By Josh Marshall | January 21, 2022 12:16 p.m Amidst all the disappointment and tribulation of recent days please join me in taking a moment to step back, in a posture of mindful gratitude, to contemplate the fact that Kyrsten Sinema’s career in electoral politics is already over. Yes, the damage she’s already done will be difficult to remedy. She still has three solid years to do yet more damage. And she probably will. But none of that damage, none of the hijinks and characteristic game-playing to come, will or can change her electoral fate. In political terms, she’s already dead senator walking. And the most perplexing but paradoxically delightful part of it is that she doesn’t even seem to realize it yet. How can I be so sure she’s a goner in such an uncertain time and in a reelection campaign almost three years away? It’s not just the increasingly likely primary challenge, which could end her Senate career on its own. Her problem runs much deeper. She has already made herself essentially unelectable, whether her quest for reelection ends in a primary or the general election. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rejoice-kyrsten-sinemas-political-career-is-already-over I know Josh Marshall added the cartoon metaphor about a person jumping off a building.... but I think I will add this....
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turbinetree | Jan 2022 | OP |
tikka | Jan 2022 | #1 | |
Trueblue1968 | Jan 2022 | #53 | |
Celerity | Jan 2022 | #58 | |
Polybius | Jan 2022 | #70 | |
madville | Jan 2022 | #66 | |
Raster | Jan 2022 | #2 | |
JustAnotherGen | Jan 2022 | #8 | |
LittleGirl | Jan 2022 | #27 | |
DENVERPOPS | Jan 2022 | #30 | |
Carlitos Brigante | Jan 2022 | #3 | |
Goonch | Jan 2022 | #4 | |
XanaDUer2 | Jan 2022 | #6 | |
Post removed | Jan 2022 | #13 | |
Post removed | Jan 2022 | #22 | |
IronLionZion | Jan 2022 | #14 | |
oasis | Jan 2022 | #24 | |
tanyev | Jan 2022 | #54 | |
Polybius | Jan 2022 | #71 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Jan 2022 | #5 | |
tinrobot | Jan 2022 | #7 | |
IronLionZion | Jan 2022 | #16 | |
FakeNoose | Jan 2022 | #40 | |
Budi | Jan 2022 | #11 | |
SergeStorms | Jan 2022 | #28 | |
Budi | Jan 2022 | #55 | |
Traildogbob | Jan 2022 | #29 | |
homegirl | Jan 2022 | #33 | |
Torchlight | Jan 2022 | #19 | |
DENVERPOPS | Jan 2022 | #35 | |
Fiendish Thingy | Jan 2022 | #63 | |
uponit7771 | Jan 2022 | #57 | |
keep_left | Jan 2022 | #9 | |
Efilroft Sul | Jan 2022 | #10 | |
DENVERPOPS | Jan 2022 | #64 | |
FBaggins | Jan 2022 | #12 | |
Ray Bruns | Jan 2022 | #15 | |
NNadir | Jan 2022 | #17 | |
Silent3 | Jan 2022 | #18 | |
NNadir | Jan 2022 | #20 | |
housecat | Jan 2022 | #21 | |
BadgerMom | Jan 2022 | #26 | |
dobleremolque | Jan 2022 | #32 | |
xxqqqzme | Jan 2022 | #42 | |
sarge43 | Jan 2022 | #49 | |
CrispyQ | Jan 2022 | #23 | |
Name removed | Jan 2022 | #25 | |
themaguffin | Jan 2022 | #36 | |
ShazzieB | Jan 2022 | #37 | |
radius777 | Jan 2022 | #43 | |
Sherman A1 | Jan 2022 | #31 | |
themaguffin | Jan 2022 | #34 | |
YoshidaYui | Jan 2022 | #38 | |
Stuart G | Jan 2022 | #39 | |
Joinfortmill | Jan 2022 | #41 | |
Scalded Nun | Jan 2022 | #44 | |
patphil | Jan 2022 | #45 | |
radius777 | Jan 2022 | #46 | |
Bristlecone | Jan 2022 | #47 | |
Progressive Jones | Jan 2022 | #48 | |
aggiesal | Jan 2022 | #50 | |
Celerity | Jan 2022 | #59 | |
JI7 | Jan 2022 | #60 | |
aggiesal | Jan 2022 | #61 | |
wellst0nev0ter | Jan 2022 | #69 | |
aggiesal | Jan 2022 | #72 | |
shanti | Jan 2022 | #51 | |
Javaman | Jan 2022 | #52 | |
madville | Jan 2022 | #67 | |
mucifer | Jan 2022 | #56 | |
brooklynite | Jan 2022 | #62 | |
halfulglas | Jan 2022 | #65 | |
wellst0nev0ter | Jan 2022 | #68 |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 02:51 PM
tikka (718 posts)
1. At the end of her six year term she will be eligible for a pension.
The Republican network may or may not find her a cushy job. I doubt that she will have any luck as a lobbyist.
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Response to tikka (Reply #1)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 06:13 PM
Trueblue1968 (16,338 posts)
53. maybe she won't serve her term, maybe AZ will remove her. Is that possible?
Response to Trueblue1968 (Reply #53)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:16 PM
Celerity (35,430 posts)
58. no recalls for Congresspeople
Response to Trueblue1968 (Reply #53)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:12 AM
Polybius (12,342 posts)
70. Yes, if she commits a high crime and gets expelled
But then the Republican Governor Doug Ducey picks a replacement.
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Response to tikka (Reply #1)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 12:51 AM
madville (7,075 posts)
66. The FERS pension kinda sucks, even for Congress
Especially since she joined Congress in 2013. If she goes 12 years until the end of 2024 (6 years in the House and 6 in the Senate), she’ll get about 12% of her high three salary years when she turns 62. So say $175k a year, 12% of that would be about $21k a year at age 62, or about $1750 a month. She could draw it early at age 57 with a 25% penalty, so that would be $1300 a month about 12 years from now since she is only about 45 years old.
Not really all that great, they reformed the congressional pensions years ago and made it similar to most other federal employees. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 02:53 PM
Raster (20,982 posts)
2. Hallelujah!!! Not. A. Fan.
I voted for Sinema. I campaigned for Sinema. I donated to Sinema. All because she was a Dem and a woman in Arizona.
I have never been more disappointed in a vote I have cast. I will do EVERYTHING in my power and pocketbook to make sure this is the first and only term for Sinema. #ArizonaDeservesBetterThanSinema. And to the DU member I had "discussions" with before the election and I voiced my Sinema concerns... So it really didn't matter all the fancy dinners you attended and functions where you spent "quality time" with the Senator-to-be, it was all crap. She turned out to be the arrogant, self-aggrandizing, cluster-fucking traitor we suspected she would become. Told you so. |
Response to Raster (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:02 PM
JustAnotherGen (30,460 posts)
8. On point - and thank you
![]() My thank is for doing the hard work - all of the fancy fundraisers in the world can never replace door knockers, door hangers, voter registration drives, working a booth at a local event, calling, texting, and driving people to the polls. You earned the right to post what you did. |
Response to Raster (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:10 PM
LittleGirl (7,732 posts)
27. Same, same! Total regret voting for her. Never again. eom
Response to Raster (Reply #2)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:30 PM
DENVERPOPS (7,571 posts)
30. We must be careful
to screen our candidates much better, so we don't end up with DINO's...............
All the rhetoric the candidates throw around pre-election is usually pure crap, intended only to get votes, and often lies. You need to study their past history to see where they really stand on issues. It is an old game. A person runs as a Dem, gets elected because all of the Republican Voters realize he/she is truly a Republican underneath all his/her Dem rhetoric he/she says to get elected. He/she has a D under their name, so all the Dems vote for him/her and the Repubs do the same knowing he will shift to his/her true self once elected. It happens all the time, Manchin and Sinema are just the most egregious....... |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 02:55 PM
Carlitos Brigante (25,850 posts)
3. He must not have watched her speech, in which she put on that middle school
drama club performance. Pulling back tears and everything...... in the least convincing way possible.
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Response to Goonch (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 02:57 PM
XanaDUer2 (7,430 posts)
6. She looks like an idiot nt
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Response to Goonch (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:45 PM
IronLionZion (41,983 posts)
14. Her way of letting corporate lobbyists know she is for sale
or trying to keep those legs warm. or something
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Response to Goonch (Reply #4)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 06:24 PM
tanyev (39,394 posts)
54. LOL, just squeezing in some Senate business during a break in Pirates of Penzance rehearsals.
Response to Goonch (Reply #4)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:13 AM
Polybius (12,342 posts)
71. She's got sex appeal
I don't agree with all of her positions though.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 02:57 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,166 posts)
5. I predict she will run as an independent spoiler in 2024
Since AZ has a Sore Loser law that would prevent her from running if she lost the Dem primary, I predict she will skip the primary and run as an independent, in the hopes of peeling off enough independent voters to get the GOP candidate elected. I’d bet the GOP will even fund her independent campaign…
Unless she decides to go for broke and run for president, again as an independent/third party spoiler. Her senate career may indeed be over, but her role as a political disruptor is likely not. |
Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #5)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:02 PM
tinrobot (10,017 posts)
7. Spot on, except I suspect she'll run for president instead of Senate.
She'll become yet another spoiler in the tradition of Jill Stein.
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Response to tinrobot (Reply #7)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:46 PM
IronLionZion (41,983 posts)
16. Who would vote for her?
She doesn't seem that popular with anyone on the left. The right would vote for DeSantis or whoever the GOP nominates.
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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #16)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:00 PM
FakeNoose (28,357 posts)
40. Exactly right - the Dems hate her and why would the Repukes want her?
She's done. Let her go work at Faux Noise.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #5)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:14 PM
Budi (15,325 posts)
11. Back to her roots. Green Stein Party.
She'll land where she began.
Thanks for the generous lift anyway, Emily's List, NARAL... ~Misson Accomplished! There's a few more just like her...fyi Like suckerfish riding on the back of the great blue whale. |
Response to Budi (Reply #11)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:27 PM
SergeStorms (18,185 posts)
28. I'm not sure they'd want to associate with her anymore.
She used them once to get what she wanted, she got it, and she didn't even wave goodbye in her rear-view mirror. I don't think they'd even lower themselves to taking her back into the fold. There are many more viable candidates for their support.
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Response to SergeStorms (Reply #28)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 06:30 PM
Budi (15,325 posts)
55. It doesn't matter where she ends up at this point. Somewhere a fascist is already making a deal
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Response to Budi (Reply #11)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:28 PM
Traildogbob (6,680 posts)
29. How can
She be considered Green when she is totally against all the Green in BBB? She only cares for two greens, cash and being as self important as Margery Traitor. How would she run for President, she will not meet her constituents, how would she face a trump like GQP rally?
I mean look At all the hard work Stein has been doing for Green issues. Endless efforts to protect our environment. (🤢? ![]() |
Response to Budi (Reply #11)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:35 PM
homegirl (1,237 posts)
33. Emily's List
has already denounced her, more to come.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #5)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:50 PM
Torchlight (2,000 posts)
19. Given the regional environment, I suspect she'd siphon off as many GOP votes
if not more than Democratic votes were she to run as an independent.
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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #5)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:36 PM
DENVERPOPS (7,571 posts)
35. Sore loser is very pertinent here in Colorado
Years ago, Josie Heath ran against Dottie Lamm. Lamm beat her soundly. Josie went off pouting until someone suggested that if she wanted to get even with Lamm, all she had to do was run as an independent and it would steal enough votes that Lamm couldn't win.
Spiteful Josie Heath, single handedly handed the election to a Republican............. |
Response to DENVERPOPS (Reply #35)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:41 PM
Fiendish Thingy (12,166 posts)
63. But Sinema will have choose, she can't run in primary, lose, then run in general. Nt
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:02 PM
keep_left (1,092 posts)
9. It's pretty clear she doesn't intend to run again. What's next? A sinecure...
...think tank job or media gig? Who knows. And now she is tripling down on the antics.
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Response to keep_left (Reply #9)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:06 PM
Efilroft Sul (3,420 posts)
10. A show on RT seems perfect for her experience as a saboteur.
Response to keep_left (Reply #9)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:45 PM
DENVERPOPS (7,571 posts)
64. the Republicans
will kick her to the curb the minute she doesn't serve their purposes anymore........
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:35 PM
FBaggins (25,621 posts)
12. So she's entirely unshackled from any influence for the next three years?
Doesn't seem wise to me... but what the heck? If we don't care about her votes going forward I suppose the OP makes sense.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:46 PM
Ray Bruns (2,793 posts)
15. Kyrsten Sinema
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:49 PM
Silent3 (13,557 posts)
18. There's no amount of shadenfreude sufficient to compensate for the end of democracy
And besides that, Sinema has probably cashed in well enough already that she'll do quite well under the Republican Reich.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:50 PM
NNadir (31,047 posts)
20. I note that she started her political life as a "Green."
We have to be careful of people who begin their careers opposing Democrats.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:50 PM
housecat (2,070 posts)
21. I like her snake outfit. Good choice.
Response to housecat (Reply #21)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:09 PM
BadgerMom (2,610 posts)
26. Came to say this.
Glad I checked comments first.
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Response to housecat (Reply #21)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:33 PM
dobleremolque (342 posts)
32. Thoroughly appropriate fabric choice. n/t
Response to housecat (Reply #21)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:21 PM
xxqqqzme (14,887 posts)
42. I thought it was Spiderman.
She does have that trendy middle school wardrobe thing going on.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 03:51 PM
CrispyQ (33,845 posts)
23. She will leave office a millionaire. I think that was her only goal, to enrich herself.
She'll probably land a cushy job, too. Our system is so broken & corrupt.
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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:38 PM
themaguffin (3,430 posts)
36. She would lose. 100% Here's why...
Anyone actual Republican would primary her and say that they're the "real thing and didn't switch parties."
She's done either way, but she will fuck us all the way until the end. |
Response to Name removed (Reply #25)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:42 PM
ShazzieB (10,363 posts)
37. Did you read the article?
I did, and I recommend it as a very interesting read.
The author very clearly lays out why none of the options open to her can save her political career at this point. Here's what he says about her becoming a Republican: Some people say she’ll have the last laugh if she just switches parties and throws the Senate into GOP hands even before the 2022 election. That’s entirely possible, given her reported egomania. But while she can become a Republican she can’t win reelection as a Republican. Sinema is pro-choice. She’s affirmatively irreligious. She’s openly bisexual. On virtually every hot-button culture-war issue she has standard Democratic positions. There’s no place for her in the GOP and no way to win a Republican primary. Perhaps Mitch McConnell might offer to clear the field for her in exchange for making him Majority Leader. But it’s just not in his power to do. There’s a backlog of Arizona Republicans who want that seat. They’re not going to stand aside to let her take the seat as a Republican. And the state’s Republican voters won’t either.
She's in the Senate now, and we're stuck with her through 2024. But I think this article makes a good case for her Senatorial career being over after that, no matter what she does. |
Response to ShazzieB (Reply #37)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:22 PM
radius777 (3,406 posts)
43. She also voted to impeach Trump twice.
Same as Manchin, neither have a chance winning as a Repub.
She also has zero appeal to independents who tend to prize 'getting things done'. She's an obstructionist who stood in the way of a core right such as voting rights. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:31 PM
Sherman A1 (38,958 posts)
31. Hopefully that is the case, but we will see
if it happens in three years.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:36 PM
themaguffin (3,430 posts)
34. She's still in office & will scorch the Earth until her term is up, so I don't feel celebratory.
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:53 PM
YoshidaYui (40,252 posts)
38. i SURE hope he is right....
not impressed by her at all.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 04:56 PM
Stuart G (36,578 posts)
39. i must inform you- Wile E. Coyote is an outstanding comedian..Kyrsten Sinema is not outstanding..
...in any way shape or form. Wile must not be compared with Sinema ...EVER AGAIN!!!!
The cartoon community and the courts have ordered that Wile E never be in the same sentence with that fool.... The courts refuse to even mention the lady's name.. .........And I don't blame them at all............... ![]() and...........Chuck Jones ..who created Wile E Coyote..was a truly great animator working for Warner Brothers. I met Chuck Jones once and proud to have shaken his hand and got his autograph... |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:01 PM
Joinfortmill (10,639 posts)
41. Let her be a warning: Make sure you're voting for a REAL Democrat.
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:25 PM
Scalded Nun (1,129 posts)
44. She does not care about any of the politics
Her killing of democracy on this country at the behest of wealthy corporations and individuals has earned her enough money to last a lifetime. That she does care about.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:32 PM
patphil (4,662 posts)
45. It would be better if she was up for reelection in 2022, not 2024.
Unfortunately this mentally unstable, egomaniac has 3 years of playing Senator left.
She's too into herself to realize how toxic she has become to both parties. At this point, she's basically worthless as a candidate for Senate. I don't think she could come close to winning either primary, and would have a hard time getting enough signatures to run as an independent. In Arizona, party members must vote for candidates from their party. Only independents are allowed to choose which party's primary they'll vote in. Standing against Biden's agenda may be a huge ego trip for her, but it's political suicide. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:34 PM
radius777 (3,406 posts)
46. Rep. Ruben Gallego is the perfect candidate
to primary her. He's a charismatic Latino and miltiary veteran with appeal to the Dem base as well as independents.
Voting rights and Civil Rights are a litmus test for any Dem - you see that 48 of them voted for the carve out, even Dems from red and purple states like Mark Kelly from her state - because they know what it means in the context of the past 60 years and what the modern day Dem party stands for. There can be disagreement on other issues but not core rights such as voting rights. She (and Manchin) sided with Jim Crow instead of MLK and John Lewis. She's finished. Manchin could also be finished as the Dem base won't come out for him and neither will the pro Trump voters (he voted to impeach fatass twice). Basically Manchinema's instincts are bad and are rooted in outdated thinking about their being some large centrist bloc in America that values 'bipartisanship'. The reality is that we live in a base driven country now with both sides being dug in, and you're either on one side or the other. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:35 PM
Bristlecone (9,476 posts)
47. It would not surprise me if she changed parties when it becomes apparent to her
She has no integrity. She’ll switch on a dime imo.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:37 PM
Progressive Jones (6,011 posts)
48. How long until Krusty The Trojan Horse completely flips to the GOP? nt
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:45 PM
aggiesal (7,952 posts)
50. It's only over if she runs as a (D) ...
She'd no doubt get elected if she ran as a (R).
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Response to aggiesal (Reply #50)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:19 PM
Celerity (35,430 posts)
59. bi-sexual, pro-choice, atheist equals doom in Rethug primary nt
Response to JI7 (Reply #60)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:29 PM
aggiesal (7,952 posts)
61. As the old saying goes ...
Never under estimate the stupidity of the American voting public!
I don't know how made this quote, but it's pretty accurate. |
Response to aggiesal (Reply #50)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:10 AM
wellst0nev0ter (7,509 posts)
69. What trumpanzee
would vote for a dem who voted to convict the former guy twice?
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Response to wellst0nev0ter (Reply #69)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:15 AM
aggiesal (7,952 posts)
72. A stupid one. n/t
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:46 PM
shanti (21,570 posts)
51. Yes, she's a snake
and that dress proves it.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 05:55 PM
Javaman (60,928 posts)
52. she doesn't care.
she made her money and her contacts
she carpet bagged herself into a pension and now can skate off very much wealthier than when she first got into office. sociopath. |
Response to Javaman (Reply #52)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:01 AM
madville (7,075 posts)
67. It's a crappy pension these days
Especially since she entered the House in 2013. Only 1% a year so if she gets 12 years of service she’ll get a 12% pension at age 62 and she’s only about 45 now. At age 62 she’ll get around $1700-1800 a month based on her current high-3 years salary, not really a windfall.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:02 PM
mucifer (22,252 posts)
56. she will make millions as a lobbyist
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Fri Jan 21, 2022, 09:41 PM
brooklynite (85,525 posts)
62. Nope...her career isn't over
It MIGHT be over in 2024 if she loses her Senate race, and it MIGHT be over in 2022 if Democrats elect 2 more Senators AND hold on to three at-risk seats. In the meantime, we need her vote.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 12:22 AM
halfulglas (1,474 posts)
65. She kind of reminds me of the plain middle school girl whose mother took her for a makeover.
Trying so hard to be popular with the rich kids and turning her back on any of the kids who stood with her before. She's trying to please the mean rich girls but she won't ever really be one of them.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sat Jan 22, 2022, 01:03 AM
wellst0nev0ter (7,509 posts)
68. Traitor Joe Lieberman was forced to retire after ratfucking Obama
That's the same fate awaiting for Sinema now—unless she wants to be a third-party presidential spoiler in 2024.
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