Just what is the antiabortion crowd's plan for supporting pregnant people?

[sinkingfeeling]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/01/21/roe-wade-abortion-march-for-life/

A note to all the participants of Friday’s antiabortion March for Life rally, taking place in Washington:

I hope you’re preparing to make condoms rain from the sky. Buckets of them. Craploads, hurled from the cargo holds of the biggest planes you can find. Also, birth control pills. I hope every time a teenager opens their locker at school she finds 60 packs of Yaz.

I hope you’re ready for your odious brave new world. I presume each and every one of you is planning to adopt several kids. Those chia seed-size embryos that you insist on calling pre-born children eventually will be born to parents who never wanted to be parents, and someone will need to step up to the plate. Since “adoption” has been your solution, you’re up, slugger. Surely you can spare the extra $233,000 that the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 2015 estimated it takes to raise a child from birth to age 18. (If the cost sounds steep, one of your crisis pregnancy centers might be willing to toss in a box of Huggies.)

Truly, we can’t wait to see all the work you personally have been doing to reduce unwanted pregnancies, besides lurking outside of Planned Parenthood and shouting at people who are trying to get Pap smears. (Have you been doing that work?)

[ck4829]

1. Hahahaha. That's funny. Antiabortion crowd supporting pregnant people?

[Ray Bruns]

63. The anti abortion crowd has the same plan republicans have for healthcare.

NONE.

[Hulk]

66. They couldn't care less...

...once the mother gives BIRTH...they are done with them.

Pro-BIRTH...👿

[Walleye]

2. I'm interested in seeing what happens when they start investigating natural miscarriages

I’m sure they will be picking on poor people women of color, young women, and making them prove they didn’t have an abortion. And the fascists will feel so self-righteous about it

[ck4829]

6. El Salvador, Nicaragua, here we come. If this happens, we're gonna put them to shame.

[Solly Mack]

3. Their plan is the same as always. You're on your own.

[Wounded Bear]

4. Supporting pregnant people?

republicans?

[Freddie]

5. Are they going to pay out

Millions in wrongful death suits from the grieving families of women who died in childbirth when they didn’t want to be pregnant? Millions more in medical expenses to women who are harmed in childbirth?
And of course men had nothing to do with it, right?

[moose65]

7. They have no plan

In reality, the so-called "pro-life" politicians don't give a shit about abortion. If their wives, sisters, daughters, mistresses, or whores need an abortion, they will make sure it happens.

They've used this as a political tool for so long, to trick the faithful into voting for them. They couldn't care less about any children born as a result of an abortion ban. Once a child is born, it's of no use to them politically.

[Ilsa]

8. Real sex-ed in late middle school, early high school is what

they should also plan and pay for. It really makes a difference.

[ck4829]

11. That's the correct thing to do. Yes, it makes sense. Yes, it's logical. Yes, it's fair.

Yes, it's empowering. Yes, we should. Yes, it will make a difference. Yes, the benefits will far outweigh the costs.

But...

If you want comprehensive sex-ed; you're a monster, you want teens to be promiscuous, you want to teach elementary schoolers to have sex, and now you're a part of the Cabal that Q-Heads are always talking about.

I'm starting to think that we need to take drastic, no, extreme measures against the right and Republicans.

[Walleye]

12. The best way to control population growth is through the education of girls and women

Not just sex education. But education to give them opportunities and independence

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

68. Many of the morst vocal anti-abortionists are Catholics.

They claim that using contraceptives is sinful.

I need hardly mention that the people who came up with this doctrine are unmarried men. The argument in the encyclical on contraception, Humanae Vitae is crap. They say that "natural law" holds that the "proper end" of sexual intercourse is procreation, and they also say, "All Catholics must accept that the magisterium (i.e., "teaching office" -- from the Latin magister, "teacher&quot of the Church is competent to judge what the natural law is." In other words, their allegation, given without any support whatsoever, is true because they say it's true. It's a variant of the logical fallacy of the argument from authority, made worse in that the authority is themselves.

[sarcasmo]

9. Jesus will take care of the babies.

[pandr32]

19. Oh yes--Jesus who never returned

He was supposed to return almost 2 millennia ago, and still--generation after generation people have convinced themselves 'Jesus' will still come back.

Meanwhile, prayer sure delivers much needed help. We have so much evidence. It does appear to placate the person who prays, though. After all, they prayed to the divine rather than doing something concrete to help.

Females forced to carry babies to term will result in a whole lot of babies having to grow up in miserable conditions. Anyone who is familiar with social work already knows there are more horrors than can properly be monitored and attended to. Human misery proliferates right here in our country.

[no_hypocrisy]

10. They can start by never referring to an unwanted child as "illegitimate" and "bastard".

Either the child is embraced by all or a woman should have the final say on whether she is compelled to reproduce.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. .

Either the child is embraced by all or a woman should have the final say on whether she is compelled to reproduce.

Why not both?

[no_hypocrisy]

21. Point taken. Why not both?

[Rebl2]

13. Nothing

[2naSalit]

14. A life of...

Indentured servitude, basically.

Misogyny rules, like Shiria Law, is what they are after.

They only try to disempower those whom they fear.

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

69. Some of these people, including some women,

See the society depicted in The Handmaid's Tale as desirable.

[Tommymac]

15. Plan? They don't need no stinking plan.

They could care less what happens to human beings.

They only care about things still in the womb.

[MuseRider]

16. Ha Ha, lol

Oh sorry. Just remembering the good old days.

"Baby (a quaint way of infantilizing your prego girlfriend), not MY problem. Do I even really know you?"

Illegal abortions will be occasionally called out but not ever dealt with, even when they kill the young "hussy" because if they don't do that they end up being a working mother (a horrible mother) to vilify as a horrible mother or pitifully poor enough to become a hooker to support whatever babies have been so wonderfully brought into this kind of world.

Yea, good post. We need to keep reminding people of what it was like. In this kind of world it is hard to win.

"You should have known better!" Yup, true there, so how do they know better? "We cannot teach you about that at SCHOOL!" OK, then where besides all the incorrect things they get at school from their friends who also know nothing? My mother never said one single word about anything. So............

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. This actually isn't a great argument for keeping abortion legal, because the longer time goes on,

the more opponents of abortion organize against the argument. They focus on criminalizing people who get abortions and people who perform them. They focus on converting people to the gospel so they won't have premarital sex and then have Christian marriages tht grow families. They develop retreats/"camps" where pregnant people can go and live -- provided they play along with the curriculum, of course, which involves plenty of gospel and giving up the baby. They make offers to adopt on the spot outside clinics.

None of these does anything for someone who simply doesn't want to be pregnant anymore. Asking opponents "what do YOU do to prevent abortion" makes it sound like abortion is something that should be prevented, adding to the stigma around it. It's a bad argument. If people want to organize adoptions or support for pregnant people, whatever. In the meantime, I'll work to ensure that people who want abortions can get them.

[Thunderbeast]

20. They are not so much anti-abortion...They are anti-sex

This movement gains much of it's power out of neurotic parents who deny that their daughters grow up with sexual desires. Rather than having frank and honest conversations with their children about their bodies and the reality of adulthood, it is much simpler to hang the cudgel of pregnancy and STDs over ther heads as a punishment for "sinful" acts.

There are countless reasons to counsel our children to delay sexual relationships to a time when brain development catches up to puberty. There are complex emotions to navigate when our children face these choices.

Without the added consequence of early motherhood, the perceived consequences of having sex diminish in a conversation reduced to: "CHASTITY GOOD; SEX BAD! If you have intercourse you are doomed to be a shamed harlot burdened with a child for the rest of your life."

A boy, of course, is threatened with the economic reality of child support, but in our society does not wear the same Scarlet Letter.

[luvtheGWN]

27. If only the Puritans had stayed on the other side of the ocean.....

But seriously -- I notice that more than half of the marchers and protestors at abortion clinics are men. If only all males who've reached puberty were mandated to have vasectomies (which are reversible) then there would be no need for abortion clinics. When the male is ready to have children, and his partner is too, then the vasectomy is reversed.

Why is the pressure to not conceive ALWAYS put on the female? It's a power thing, I believe. It's also an excuse to downgrade the morals of the female -- again, a power thing.

Fortunately, it was decided many years ago to NOT have any laws regarding abortion in Canada. And sex education is taught in elementary schools.

[plimsoll]

34. I think the Puritans where a little more consistent than we are.

I believe the men were punished as well, granted not as severely, but still public shaming and stocks as I recall.

They were also very pro sex, but within a marital relationship. So not as openly hypocritical as our purity police

[ShazzieB]

46. Yes, they are absolutely anti-sex!

Anti-sex for women who aren't married to a cis man, anyway. (Women married to men HAVE to have sex. It's their wifely duty, after all.)

Seriously, I'd like to have a dollar for every comment I've heard from the anti-choicers along the lines of, "If you don't want a baby, just keep your legs together!"

[ibegurpard]

55. Exactly

They are ENRAGED that people can escape the "consequences" of the illicit and unsanctioned sex that they deny themselves because of their religious beliefs.

[IronLionZion]

61. Sex must be punished

with children. Children are a punishment.

[Wild blueberry]

22. Whole essay is brilliant

[CrispyQ]

23. There is no plan.

"Right-to-life," "pro-life," they're both empty phrases for self-righteous busy-bodies to feel morally superior to people they don't like. Once you put life in a hierarchy & say this life has more value than this life, the whole "right-to-life" argument loses its validity. And we put life in a hierarchy all the time. Humans over all other life. Men over women. Cat & dogs over other animals. The zealots aren't really arguing "right-to-life," they're arguing for their hierarchy of life to be recognized over other people's hierarchy of life.

And the politicians? The women in their lives will always be able to obtain a safe abortion.

[usaf-vet]

31. Well, you are almost right. There was a plan and your artwork depicts it well. A RWNJ stacked SCOTUS

Then crickets....!

[CrispyQ]

47. Yeah. They've been playing the long game. -nt

[ShazzieB]

49. OMG, I love that cartoon!

Especially Kavanaugh with a bottle of beer in each hand!

[Skittles]

70. correct

they're just a bunch of fucking hypocrites

[Fla Dem]

24. Anti Abortion only cares for the womb. Once the child is borne, then "See ya later. Your problem."

[yaesu]

25. actually we should start calling them the anti 1st amendment crowd

as they are forcing their religious beliefs on us via state and soon, federal law. No one is pro abortion but all should be pro choice.

[gab13by13]

26. The Hand Maiden Supreme Court justice is going to adopt them all.

[bottomofthehill]

28. They have a solution

If you are rich, you go someplace an have your abortion, if you are poor, like the Salem Witches, Stockades. Maybe a good public stoning or two.

[uponit7771]

29. Forced pregnancy is all they have

[plimsoll]

30. I'm confused,

The answer is not a damn thing, duh.

This is from the magical thinking crowd. The what then question? They haven't gotten there, but they'll tut tut and wag fingers. If they have money they'll take their kids to foreign spas, just like the good old days. If they're poor they'll go to the back street, or carry the child to term and either live in poverty or put the child into the foster system. There won't be enough parents to adopt those children, because the notion that there would be was just more magical thinking.

The interesting thing is that the path they've chosen, individual states decisions means that some states will have legal abortions, others won't. How they'll prevent people from crossing state lines will be interesting, interstate commerce actually being in the constitution and all.

[Bettie]

32. Great essay, well stated

but, frankly, they will be coming for birth control next.

Well, unless they decide to go after marriage equality.

But, they won't do anything to help pregnant people.

They are fetus fetishists....they care about people until they are born.

[Richard D]

33. Just what is the antiabortion crowd's plan for supporting pregnant people?

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[niyad]

35. Nothing.

[paleotn]

36. They don't care about pregnant women or fetuses for that matter.

[Jon King]

37. Dirty little secret is most swing voters could care less.

I was a bit surprised at first how relatively little the outcry and response was to these horrible laws. But we always overestimate what the 30% swing voters who decide elections actually care about. If it does not effect them personally that day, they could care less.

No Biden-Harris did not have a progressive mandate to improve civil rights and help the poor. The swing voters just thought Trump messed up with Covid and that negatively affected their lives. It had nothing to do with Biden for the 30% swing voters.

And the Repugs will also mess up if they get a big sweep in the midterms. They will breathlessly state how the American people gave them a mandate.....I suppose to investigate Hunter Biden's art. But no, its has nothing to do with them. The swing voters just think the price of groceries is too high.

Both sides will always misread the room and think issues important to their 35% base matter to swing voters, but they never do.

[Iggo]

38. It's this...

[Kablooie]

39. You know they plan to eliminate all contraceptives don't you?

There are plans to overthrow Griswold v Connecticut which would allow states to outlaw all contraceptives. Even condoms. They want sex to be for procreation only. If it’s done for pleasure you must risk the punishment of an unwanted birth.

[Jon King]

42. Do you seriously think that makes even one bit of sense?

Come on now, abortion is one thing because the 30% swing voters just do not care because it does not effect them in their minds. Do you really, really think any politician would try to overturn the free use of contraceptives? It would be 100% unenforceable and absolute political suicide in all but perhaps 10 Congressional districts in the US.

[Kablooie]

44. It used to be illegal and they want to return to that.

SCOTUS finally ruled in 1965 that it couldn’t be made illegal but their arguments were a little convoluted in order to get a constitutional argument.

It may not be overturned but it is on their agenda.

[bronxiteforever]

60. +1 exactly.

[Major Nikon]

40. They aren't "pro-life"

They aren't even really anti-abortion. They are really pro-forced-birth with the idea being they can regulate their warped ideas of morality by focusing on the consequences of deviating from it.

[Metro135]

41. I've been saying this for decades . . . .

If the STATE is going to mandate that a woman give birth to a child . . .

Then the STATE better pony up the $233,000 it will take to raise that child.

[relayerbob]

43. Aspiring between the knees and shame

'bout sum sit up

[Dan]

45. The crowd is not anti-abortion, they're really anti-sex.

[Upthevibe]

48. There's this...

https://shbb.org/shbb-more-information?gclid=CjwKCAiA866PBhAYEiwANkInePlIi1aX0-ip8dhD5u9h8CBgHf2H9t6JzYGw9c8-4R5hTO3E_x08zxoCJ2gQAvD_BwE

[ShazzieB]

50. JFC.

[NNadir]

51. Building prisons, I think. n/t.

[TygrBright]

52. Same as always: "Require" them to care for themselves and punish them if they don't. DUH. n/t

[Texin]

53. "Plan", what plan? They don't have one. Plan is, get knocked up, it's your problem gals.

[ibegurpard]

54. To shun them

They don't give a shit about unborn babies or people in general. It's about their outrage at people escaping the "consequences" of illicit and unsanctioned sex.

[Texin]

56. "...and someone will need to step up to the plate." The foster system will explode.

The system that is already dysfunctional, and puts kids at risk in the homes of people that should never have been allowed to "foster" a pack of rabid rats. And all at the expense of taxpayers in the states.

[IronLionZion]

57. Publicly shame them for life

After keeping them from completing school, make sure to make them feel guilty for the rest of their lives for having kids too young or while single or whatever.

[XanaDUer2]

58. Zilch nt

[LiberalFighter]

59. They just want a lot of kids needing to be adopted. That won't be adopted.

[CaptainTruth]

62. Make abortion a felony, felons can't vote.

I swear I believe that is part of their long-term agenda, at least for the few smarter more devious more powerful GOP politicians who manipulate their ignorant supporters.

For those Rethugs it's a win-win-win. It fires up support from their base because it deals a blow to abortion rights, it supports their voter suppression agenda by preventing some of the "wrong" people from voting, & it advances their "rich white 'Christian' male" supremacy agenda by subjugating women.

None of those things exists in a vacuum, they are all linked.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

64. A lot of "abortion abolitionists" want to criminalize abortion both for the person who gets one and

the person who performs it.

[Missn-Hitch]

65. NOTHING. Unless its government backed Jesus programs. It's going to be fun.

Have you ever looked out into the world and thought, "You know what this world needs? More people"?

There will be 20 million more miracles brought into the world every year.

[Mad_Machine76]

67. Thinking back to the 1990's

when Newt Gingrich suddenly became nostalgic for the return of Orphanages.


But, really, most of them seem to have just subscribed to the "Underpants Gnomes" theory of banning abortion.

1. Ban abortion
2. ???????????
3. ???????????
4. Profit!!!