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https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/josh-freed-florida-feels-like-another-planet-compared-with-quebecA friend told me about an available condo in Florida, my wife and I made a last-second decision to briefly escape and work remotely. But the second we landed, it felt like wed arrived on another planet.
While Quebec is in full confinement mode, Florida is Cowboyland, where you barely know COVID is happening, despite much higher new case and hospitalization rates than ours .
Its lunacy by Canadian standards, but an eye-opening experience. For starters, everyones out and about, filling bars, restaurants, movies, gyms, and jam-packed sports arenas.
Stores and supermarkets dont require masks but some cashiers and customers wear them, though often under their nose or chin Florida-style. It seems a way of announcing: Look Im masked! when theyre not.
Restaurants are fully open and peeking into some, theyre mobbed. Waiters can choose whether to wear masks, and at least half dont.
In ever-friendly America, some customers even shake hands with their waiters before leaving, to say: Thanks, Ill have some germs for dessert.
Its easy to spot Canadians at restaurants, as were the ones properly masked and nervously sitting on the terrace, even in the rain.
You can see the difference in the media, too. In Quebec, COVID totally dominates the news, because theres almost nothing else happening.
In Florida, its the reverse.
I checked the prestigious Miami Herald recently on a day Florida had risen to more than 70,000 new daily cases almost twice as many per capita as Quebec, much like their hospitalizations.
Aristus
(66,349 posts)I'm glad there's a continent between me and that place. I'll never go back.
Submariner
(12,504 posts)they had a huge super-spreader event last night in an almost full football stadium. Masks optional, and mostly missing, of course.
If you're here for another week or so you can hang out in front of the Tampa General ER and watch the trump virus infected bodies being rushed in by ambulance.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)The NFL requires proof of vaccination or a negative test for entry to the stadium.
At least that is what I have read online.
former9thward
(32,005 posts)They are held outside. Covid is not spread that way. People have been predicting super spreader events since last summer when baseball and football began playing and none have came true.
Deuxcents
(16,202 posts)The Author is quite right. Its maddening at times n the political leadership is encouraging us to behave like nothing is going on. I have a big milestone bday coming up n my friends are anxious to get out and celebrate but I say..lets wait. I want to celebrate this one n a few more, too. Its been so long, Im rusty with my social graces but the answer is still no..not yet.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Not really a surprise. Major urban areas have more mask use, but the further into red states you go, the fewer masks are being worn.
Apparently the tRumper cult wants to draw this out with maximum casualties. I feel for the educated and intelligent citizens that live in these areas of overwhelming ignorance and stubborn stupidity. It must feel like trying to swim up a waterfall at times.
Good people everywhere, but a HIGH concentration of cult buffoons and anti-vaxxers, fascist supporters in rural America and red states.
Nation of morons...emboldened by seeing so many morons like themselves. Just sad.
robbob
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Maddening. One comment oh look, hes still counting cases . Makes me think Dont Look Up was a documentary. Not even sure how all these RW nut jobs found the Montreal Gazette web site, but its a good look into the madness that has seized the soul of America.
Moebym
(989 posts)Might be another 14 before I dare to set foot in that state again.
kimbutgar
(21,147 posts)You couldnt even entice me with a free trip to Disney world or a luxurious cruise to go there ever again.
Baitball Blogger
(46,705 posts)Hard to find honest lawyers at an affordable price.
mitch96
(13,904 posts)every other tv commercial is for a law firm to cater to your slip and fall/auto accidetns.. Oh and sue your doctor too.. uff..
DeSatin wants to keep the state "open" to get all that tourist money..
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Vinca
(50,271 posts)Havent wanted to go there in 30 plus years.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)roamer65
(36,745 posts)CloudWatcher
(1,848 posts)I hope to live long enough for Florida to transform into a place I'd like to visit.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that it only applies to some people and not to large numbers of others. Flaming didn't see those who aren't running around where those people he and his wife saw are.
Unfortunately for Floridians who must work with the public, Florida's full of people who come here TO go out and about in the winter, and significant numbers, but not all, forgot their housetraining long ago. Very much including people who come spread disease from other areas. Responsible visitors like Flaming are entirely welcome, of course. But as everyone here knows, for two years Florida's been among the states vying for being first to have the most new cases of new strains. And none of them started here.
Right now the sun's shining and being out and about is lovely, so no doubt the ones described are out crowding around.
But most others who want to be out are on another planet yet -- going for walks along quiet paths, boating, and puttering in their yards. I'm in the sunroom watching my husband fishing in our marsh pond, taking a break from on-line shopping (I avoid in-store shopping these days). Some favorite neighbors arrive tomorrow, and we're looking forward to once again chatting over drinks while we sun on the lawn, but carefully distanced. Our Meyer lemon tree's in bloom, and the scent's lovely.
llmart
(15,539 posts)Like any state, there are idiots and losers but there are also highly educated, decent human beings. My son lives in Florida and he has a quite large group of friends and acquaintances who are mostly like him. They are careful and because most of them are professionals, they work from home and have been since the beginning. He hates being home all the time but it's what he has to do right now. Those of us who don't live there forget that this is Florida's "get outside" time of the year because the summer months are not. He's not out and about in bars and restaurants but he is out riding a bike, walking, driving to the coast for a change of scenery, etc.
I'll probably be visiting him in February or March (I'm in a cold place) and can't wait to get out of the snow and cold.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)it might be better for us by election time. DeSantis might have fewer voters.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Florida's great for reminding people of what they love about home also. Your son obviously knows how to live here, even if he's missing some of the fun he should be having.
Us too. We've been visiting some historic places and nature preserves we might never have otherwise. If it's not pop-culture famous -- including famous for its crowds, the crowds aren't there. I've always been big on visiting gardens, and this spring we're going to hit a few we haven't been to since before this.
Spring'll likely be in full swing while you're here. Enjoy!
llmart
(15,539 posts)My son lives in Orlando so he did take me to Peu gardens once. Are you residents of Florida? My son is a NASA engineer which is why he lives there. He works at KSC which these days he calls "Kitchen Space Center". Ironically, he loves coming home for Christmas so he can see snow and feel the cold air which reminds him of his youth, but then he's always happy to leave it behind after that. I once turned down a transfer to Florida for my job and sometimes I wonder why I didn't take it. I'm older now and could live without snow.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)My husband's an outdoorsman who loves to be outside but hates the cold, and after retiring near our son in Georgia (from CA, where he worked at a tech at JPL) I could see that wintering in an easy chair wasn't going to be good for him. So here we are while our GA driveway is covered in ice. Summer's the season that tries to kill you in FL, of course. Your son sounds very smart all around, and how nice for you.
Hekate
(90,681 posts)She and her husband had a condo with a balcony overlooking the Atlantic Ocean. With a chaise. I love being near the ocean, but I fry like a piece of bacon. This was absolutely heaven.
Your slice of Florida sounds lovely as well. And I adore Meyer lemons.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)Asking for a friend ....
Nevilledog
(51,102 posts)IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)Deep State Witch
(10,426 posts)At the rate that the MAGAts in Flori-duh are dying off, there will be a lot of great real estate on the market!
My MIL is near Sarasota. She has actually told us not to come visit because of COVID. She's a former dental hygenist, so she's used to wearing masks a lot. We're considering visiting sometime around Easter, once the snowbirds clear out.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)availability of homes.
You bring up a good point, though. Why has this pandemic not opened up the real estate market down here?
The issue may be it affects the poor (Trump voters) and unlanded minorities disproportionally.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)I live in BC, and no amount of snow or subzero temps could entice me to go to that place.
Earth-shine
(4,009 posts)Bye.
tavernier
(12,388 posts)I live in Florida too Ive been fully Vaccinated, wear a mask to all public events. I go to the grocery store and patio restaurants to eat, but I stay mainly outdoors at other gatherings of family and friends. Most of my friends do the same and and none of us have gotten Covid yet. I think taking precautions and acting with good sense is the thing to do no matter where you are. But lets talk about all the people who are bashing Florida right now. It would appear that all of YOUR friends and neighbors are here right now, because we can barely turn on to the road in the morning to go to work, or find a seat in a restaurant or at a checkout aisle in the supermarket. And those out of state plates are from all over the country. So no offense intended, but like Earth-Shine says Bye.
Earth-shine
(4,009 posts)I'm in West Delray Beach.
The wife and I avoid indoor places. Lots to do in the outdoors.
Today is cool, dry, and sunny. The politics may suck, but the lifestyle is as close to paradise as I am going to get.
I'm six miles from the beach.
I'm planning ahead. With the rising seas, I figure I'll have beach-front property in about 15 years!
tavernier
(12,388 posts)used to work there as home health nurse. I watched a couple of night rockets go up from the cape at a patients house near the beach awesome.We moved to the Keys years ago. Chilly here too today, 60s this morning. But glorious sunshine.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,611 posts)Heres hoping you are some day free of the fascists that run your state
Earth-shine
(4,009 posts)Recently, I met my Congresswoman, Lois Frankel (D). Lovely person.
Until the fascists go, I'll just enjoy the weather. 63 and super sunny today.
Speaking of fascists, my next-door neighbor is Benjamin Ferencz. He's 102. He was a lead prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials.
https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/11/22/exclusive-interview-with-benjamin-ferencz-a-nominee-for-the-congressional-gold-medal/
He brought justice 24 Nazi leaders.
IronLionZion
(45,442 posts)not quite how it works but I get that people are fed up after 2 years.
At least our side is mostly vaccinated. The other side is "doing their own research" and "not living in fear" or whatever.
OMGWTF
(3,955 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)some states got closer to it than others, but when you look at the kind of lockdowns other nations have had, you see how selfish and adolescent we are as a culture.
beaglelover
(3,483 posts)is not much different than other states who had more restrictions in place and in fact, Florida is lower than NY and NJ.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)I think..
beaglelover
(3,483 posts)NY is 1.3% and NJ is 1.5%.
weissmam
(905 posts)as you have to match that against time as to hen they happened , NY and NJ were walloped in the beginning before people/science new what was going on....
Sympthsical
(9,073 posts)Florida has more older people. Older people are more likely to die of Covid.
There are a lot of factors to consider in these things.
23.1% of Florida is over 65.
17.4% for New York
17.0% for New Jersey.
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)He is right. The facts don't match the preferred narrative.
cadoman
(792 posts)Florida is a hotbed of COVID misinfo. Do NOT trust the stats coming from that fucking shithole and stay as far away as possible.
They are firing all their real scientists and hiring gqp nutjobs.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)including in the beginning when the death rate among the elderly was a dreadful 80% and some elder care facilities whose residents couldn't escape were turning into abattoirs.
A good way for comparison is simple: How many deaths per 100,000 since the beginning.
NY 326
NJ 346
FL 297
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
One reason more obvious than others for FL's lower rate is that most of the 20% of Floridians over 65 are retired and almost immediately were able to isolate early and stay isolated, and later vaccinate. Depraved spreaders both from and visiting FL's public spaces encouraged that. Another might be that some deaths were of people whose main residence was in another state and who took their statistic home with them.
RockCreek
(739 posts)Especially those released by or screened by the state. Even death certificate "cause of death" is sometimes chosen selectively from among many primary and secondary diagnoses to suit government and/or family.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)Justice matters.
(6,928 posts)Bars, gyms, spas, indoor sports, and indoor swiming pools are closed, but restaurants are open for delivery and take outs with face masks. Stores are also open with mandatory face masks, and the bigger ones over 1,000 sq.ft require proof of double vaxxes at all entrances. Old-age hospitals are confined to healhcare personel.
Ligyron
(7,632 posts)West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County to be precise
and Ive seen an incredible amount of change during my lifetime. Where we used to play in the jungle by the Lagoon separating us from the island of Palm Beach sits an actual paved road where now stand multi multi million dollar mansions With boat docks across the street. Because whats Florida without a boat?
I now lived in the western part of the county in a village called Wellington which is in an Equestrian type community and almost every store from Home Depot to Walmart has a sign requiring mask use and 95% of the people in there comply.
This in the county where that orange jackass Trump and his ilk now reside And you can be sure hes vaccinated, boosted and wears a mask anytime hes exposed to people. He simply takes it off anytime someone takes a picture.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)so THIS American is more cautious than THEM
Emile
(22,732 posts)I have successfully avoided Florida since 1976.
retread
(3,762 posts)See the Floriduh legislature, Gov. Deathsentence, Sen pRick Scott, and Sen littleMarco and on and on.
I once thought the Repug party could not sink much lower that Bill McCollum. That was before Scott and then Desantis. Boy was I naive!