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ificandream

(9,372 posts)
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 01:30 PM Jan 2022

My long held belief about the 2016 election ...

You know how Trump knows the 2020 election was rigged. He just KNOWS it! Ever since election 2016 when the tide turned against Hillary so quickly, I've suspected he had something to do with it. I know a couple of books said he never expected to win, but maybe that explains why. I have no proof or evidence. Just a funny feeling.

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allegorical oracle

(2,357 posts)
8. Same here...
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:02 PM
Jan 2022

Especially when you're reared by wolves. He grew up believing he was an alpha wolf. (My apologies to actual wolves.)

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
3. I can understand that feeling, and I love Hillary, but she was also deeply damaged in 2016.
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 01:41 PM
Jan 2022

From decades of right wing smears, Benghazi, etc. When the Comey letter dropped 10 days before the election, polling showed her lead in critical swing states falling into the margin of error. Like I said, I absolutely love her and think she's amazing, but she was pretty deeply unpopular with a lot of voters that were on the fence, and Trump managed to capitalize on that using misogyny and then Russian disinformation campaigns.

If you want an example, Hillary got 581K votes in the 2016 Michigan primary. Four years later, Joe Biden got 840K. Decades of smears from the right wing propaganda machine absolutely did a number on her and made millions of Americans across the county believe they couldn't trust her.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
4. Meanwhile, Trump University Fraud, Access Hollywood, Russia please dig up Hillary's emails.....
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 01:47 PM
Jan 2022

The media could not be bothered with it. What might have been there on Anthony Wiener's laptop was all that mattered.

ificandream

(9,372 posts)
14. I remember the Repugs going after Bill before he was even inaugurated
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:56 PM
Jan 2022

Granted, he had some skeletons, but certainly nothing like Trump.

MyOwnPeace

(16,926 posts)
5. I will always believe that 'something' happened......
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 01:48 PM
Jan 2022

as unpopular as he was, there is NO WAY Pat Toomey won Pennsylvania. SOMETHING pulled the RepubliQan slate through......

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
6. Release the unredacted Mueller Report and follow up as necessary
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 01:49 PM
Jan 2022

You're not wrong in your belief, and there's enough evidence available to all of us to support it. The fact that Trump and Barr kneecapped Mueller only forced us to move on at the time....and now we have bigger fish to fry with the events of 1/6/21 to investigate and try.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
7. I think they thought they had stolen it
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 01:50 PM
Jan 2022

I think they had several different elections that they rigged and they still lost. That’s why he knows there was fraud. I think they were committing it and it didn’t work.

But that is just a wild theory so don’t quote me on any of it.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
10. The Russians *DID* help Putin's Whore, its in the Mueller report. How much who cares, they helped
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:07 PM
Jan 2022

... him after he asked

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
11. He has some serious mental health issues. I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:08 PM
Jan 2022

He can't handle the fact that he lost, so he invented some crazy conspiracy to convince himself otherwise.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
12. psy ops succeeded in planting memes such as "HRC is not popular".
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:44 PM
Jan 2022

And even had dem leaning people repeating that.

Hope someone creates a report / video showing just that point.

ificandream

(9,372 posts)
13. Yup, the negative memes on Hillary were out there like a blinding snowstorm
Tue Jan 25, 2022, 02:55 PM
Jan 2022

Misogyny, stupidity, sexism, whatever. We all saw it. Hell, we saw it again for Vice President Harris. But yeah, that didn't help.

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