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How to Reduce Your Chances of Dying From Covid by 99 percent! (Original Post) Tomconroy Jan 2022 OP
If you are at risk from immunocompromise (or even if you are NOT) wear a damned N95 mask hlthe2b Jan 2022 #1
Good luck with that spinbaby Jan 2022 #24
Exactly! Desert_Leslie Jan 2022 #40
+1! nt Pobeka Jan 2022 #42
I am the only one at work who has not been infected liberal N proud Jan 2022 #2
You must be naturally immune. Anyone tell you that yet? twodogsbarking Jan 2022 #3
I always say that if I survived the Fraternity House liberal N proud Jan 2022 #45
Doing great, liberal N proud! BComplex Jan 2022 #38
You may have been infected but without any symptoms. former9thward Jan 2022 #51
That chart is compelling, except to people unwilling to read it and accept it. NCjack Jan 2022 #4
Anti-vaxxers are now telling us they're "done with Covid." sop Jan 2022 #5
They're done with covid but covid is not done with them. wnylib Jan 2022 #7
I'm done caring whether anti-vaxxers live or die. sop Jan 2022 #13
I don't wish them harm or death, but I also wnylib Jan 2022 #23
What does that even mean? IronLionZion Jan 2022 #32
it means that taking basic precautions equals tyranny in their pathetic tiny minds Skittles Jan 2022 #48
They don't take basic precautions IronLionZion Jan 2022 #52
Eric Topol has posted another chart that showed... Botany Jan 2022 #6
I'm not vaxxed, and don't intend to be EastMeetsWest Jan 2022 #8
Why? moose65 Jan 2022 #9
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #12
Hey, good luck with all that. sop Jan 2022 #15
If you've ben around since Eisenhower then you should especially get it Polybius Jan 2022 #18
This Covid is not even close to samplegirl Jan 2022 #22
Swine flu! lol Blues Heron Jan 2022 #28
just tell your doc you want yours strained through a sieve Blues Heron Jan 2022 #29
Do you think those reasons are worth risking your life for? Farmer-Rick Jan 2022 #34
Still makes no sense! Nt USALiberal Jan 2022 #47
Explain your problem with the vaccine? Sounds fishy to me. USALiberal Jan 2022 #10
You do know the vaccine is safer than aspirin? Emile Jan 2022 #11
Post removed Post removed Jan 2022 #14
It's your decision. I never liked to gamble Emile Jan 2022 #19
I took it and was terrified samplegirl Jan 2022 #25
LOL Emile Jan 2022 #37
The most monitored vaccines in history with the most doses delivered worldwide... hlthe2b Jan 2022 #17
You will be getting COVID then. lagomorph777 Jan 2022 #33
I got the flu shot and then I caught a cold! Iggo Jan 2022 #41
yup Skittles Jan 2022 #50
why would you not get vaxxed Skittles Jan 2022 #49
Good luck with that IronLionZion Jan 2022 #53
Yahoo News had a recent article about wnylib Jan 2022 #16
That is so effed up. I still spray everything down ecstatic Jan 2022 #21
I wipe down everything wnylib Jan 2022 #31
Wow! I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be more diligent ecstatic Jan 2022 #46
I was wondering about this very thing Tumbulu Jan 2022 #39
The unvaxxed people I know are insisting that omicron is like the common cold ecstatic Jan 2022 #20
My wife and youngest son caught the 'Rona. mwooldri Jan 2022 #26
Omicron is the worst version of Covid, period Johnny2X2X Jan 2022 #27
Not true in Gauteng Province. Tomconroy Jan 2022 #30
Vaccines Johnny2X2X Jan 2022 #35
The graph needs to show the timeframe, it could easily be very misleading. thesquanderer Jan 2022 #36
You have to dig, but the timeframe is Sep 4, 2021 to Dec 4 2021. n/t Pobeka Jan 2022 #43
Thank you! (n/t) thesquanderer Jan 2022 #44
I'll stick to my 100% of three mRNA shots and one non-mRNA shot and not getting COViD RB TexLa Jan 2022 #54
I got my booster yesterday. Boy do I feel like crap. Angleae Jan 2022 #55

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
1. If you are at risk from immunocompromise (or even if you are NOT) wear a damned N95 mask
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 07:55 AM
Jan 2022

or the equivalent indoor, every damned time with those you know may well come into contact with those possibly or probably unvaccinated, unmasked, and very likely infected.

Don't be on the graph at all.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
24. Good luck with that
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:49 AM
Jan 2022

Here in rural western Pennsylvania, they’re not wearing masks, let alone N95 masks. Saw an unmasked small child with a runny nose sneezing in public yesterday.

Desert_Leslie

(131 posts)
40. Exactly!
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:51 AM
Jan 2022

Every single time I leave home -- mask on. And always N95 or better. Worn tight. Proper face seal is everything!

Just purchased an EnvoMask after reading a lot about them on Twitter from docs and nurses who wear them. Made in Hampton, New Hampshire. Go to YouTube and search for WMUR and EnvoMask to view a local news channel story about the mask.

Very neat concept -- check it out at www.envomask.com

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
2. I am the only one at work who has not been infected
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 07:56 AM
Jan 2022

I got my shots
I got my booster
I avoid close contact
I wear a mask when in a room with others
I work, I go home, repeat.

I work with a bunch of anti-Vaxers. Their justifications are about as stupid as you can imagine.

If I could, I would quit or work from home.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
45. I always say that if I survived the Fraternity House
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 05:33 PM
Jan 2022

That I should be immune to everything. It was an animal house in every way.
But I am still taking every precaution

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
38. Doing great, liberal N proud!
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:39 AM
Jan 2022

I haven't heard anything at all lately about the "wash your hands" step, but I've still been VERY careful about washing my hands or using hand sanitizer when I'm unable to get to soap and water. Touching eyes, nose or mouth with dirty hands is a definite spreader. And with so many people running around with no mask, they're still breathing and sneezing and germing everything up.

sop

(10,171 posts)
5. Anti-vaxxers are now telling us they're "done with Covid."
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 08:30 AM
Jan 2022

No more of their bullshit cures, ridiculous justifications and loony conspiracy theories; they're not even going to think about it any longer. We're dealing with children.

sop

(10,171 posts)
13. I'm done caring whether anti-vaxxers live or die.
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:23 AM
Jan 2022

It's like trying to save a drowning man who refuses to be saved, and only wants to drag you under.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
23. I don't wish them harm or death, but I also
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:48 AM
Jan 2022

figure they had a choice. They exercised the freedom that they are so proud of proclaiming, so they got what they wanted, the freedom to take the risk and play covid roulette.

So I am indifferent to what happens to them. I can't even care enough to wish them worse. My concern is for the people they infect, the health care workers who have to deal with them, and the beds they take up that other people need.

IronLionZion

(45,435 posts)
32. What does that even mean?
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:14 AM
Jan 2022

It feels like they just don't want to hear news about people dying from it anymore.

I suppose they can plug their ears and go "la la la la" and see how well that works out.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
48. it means that taking basic precautions equals tyranny in their pathetic tiny minds
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:34 PM
Jan 2022

fucking snowflakes

Botany

(70,503 posts)
6. Eric Topol has posted another chart that showed...
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 08:44 AM
Jan 2022

.... zero out of 100,000 people who had both shots and were boosted going to the hospital. Pre omnicron.

I have heard something like 1,000 red voters per day have been dying of C-19. Good. The shots are free, something like 10 billion have been given out, and the science is solid.

 

EastMeetsWest

(191 posts)
8. I'm not vaxxed, and don't intend to be
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 08:52 AM
Jan 2022

I've lived through 6 Covid waves here in Japan. I wear a mask whenever I go into a public or private building (like everyone else), I wash my hands several times a day and I rinse my mouth out at the same time. I drink lots of liquids (water, green tea, vitamin drinks, etc), and have my temperature taken several times a week (always way below the threshold). After adopting these measures, I haven't even had bronchitis for the last 4 years. That was a condition that used to plague me during certain seasons going back to the '80s.

Response to moose65 (Reply #9)

Polybius

(15,398 posts)
18. If you've ben around since Eisenhower then you should especially get it
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:36 AM
Jan 2022

Anti-vaxers at 25 I can somewhat understand, but not 65+.

samplegirl

(11,477 posts)
22. This Covid is not even close to
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:45 AM
Jan 2022

the swine flu…..I had Guillain Barre from the swine flu and my Doctor conferred with some of the top Doctors from Cleveland Clinic and other conferring Doctors at John Hopkins and they all agreed that not getting my Covid shot and booster put me at yet a higher risk.
Not trying to tell you what to do…. But confer with some good Doctors.
So many have died because they don’t think they need it.
Now people boosted and Vaxxed are getting it because the strain is so contagious.

Farmer-Rick

(10,169 posts)
34. Do you think those reasons are worth risking your life for?
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:19 AM
Jan 2022

I got the swine flu vaccine and never ever got the swine flu. I got the 1968 flu shot and didn't get the flu. About 4 million people died from that flu.

Have you ever gotten a tetanus shot? Did you get tetanus? I gurantee you didn't because you would be dead.

Did you get your polio and small pox vaccine? Did you get polio or small pox? I gurantee you didn't.

My spouse got chicken pox as a child. You know what else she got? Shingles at 60. She was in such awful pain. Shingles is the leading cause of suicide due to pain. If you get your chicken pox vaccine, you won't get Shingles later in your 60s.

Yes, Japan has a horror story to tell about 1 kind of vaccine. It doesn't make all vaccines bad.

Here's the thing your "evidence" is nothing but anecdotes and very bad logic. And you are risking your life on this non evidence. You are willing to die from COVID just to prove a point?

I have family members who don't wear mask and pretend there is no pandemic that has killed 800,000 people in the US. You know what they are besides illogical and ignorant? Just damn lucky and under 60 years of age.

They say they don't know anyone who has gotten sick or died from Covid. Yeah, they do because we know the same people, they know at least 5 people who have been admitted to the hospital or died due to Covid. When I start listing the people, they say oh no that was pneumonia, heart disease or diabetes that killed and hospitalized them. You know people you just don't recognize what they had.

But if your willing to risk your life just to prove most of the world wrong, well all I can say is try not to give it to anyone else when you catch it.

Response to Emile (Reply #11)

Emile

(22,715 posts)
19. It's your decision. I never liked to gamble
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:37 AM
Jan 2022

especially when it comes to my health. Millions of people have taken the vaccine without any problems.

hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
17. The most monitored vaccines in history with the most doses delivered worldwide...
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:34 AM
Jan 2022

The poster hits on every misconception routinely cited--including the old "I got the flu after getting the shot" hokum, unwilling to acknowledge they may well have been exposed prior to receiving the vaccination or shortly thereafter before a protective immune response could be in place.

Adamant anti-vaxx older people putting themselves at risk of infection and with the highest risk of dying is something I see right before I intubate them for the ventilator every damned day, but you can't tell them anything that would change that. Dealing with the devasted family members with survivor's guilt is the worst...

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
33. You will be getting COVID then.
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:15 AM
Jan 2022

I don't give a crap what happens to you (apparently, neither do you), but I feel badly for anybody who has to come in contact with you.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
16. Yahoo News had a recent article about
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:31 AM
Jan 2022

a study of how long omicron remains active on surfaces in comparison with previous variants. Omicron lasts longer on surfaces than all the other variants.

The primary transmission of covid is through the air, by inhalation. But it is possible to get it from surface contact if the active virus gets on your hands and you touch your hands to your eyes, mouth, or nose.

Two examples of active omicron virus on surfaces were highlighted, skin and plastic. Omicron stays active for a full day, 23+ hours on human skin compared to 8 hours for delta. So hand washing is especially important to protect from omicron. According that article, previous variants became inactive on human skin after 15 seconds of exposure to alcohol based hand sanitizer.

Omicron staus active for 8.25 days on plastic surfaces, compared to 2 or 3 days for previous variants.

So, is it possible that the high infection rate of omicron is partially due to its long period of remaining active on surfaces?

If you bring a contaminated plastic item into your home, not knowing that it is contaminated, and wash your hands when you get home, you are still not protected from getting the virus. For the next 8 days in your own home, any time you touch that plastic item, you will have active virus on your hands. If you touch your mouth or eyes, you will introduce the virus into your body. It will probably be a low viral load, so your symptoms will be mild, especially if you are vaccinated. But why risk long covid, or transmitting It to others if you get it?

What about plastic containers or plastic wrap covering on takeout food? You take it back to work or your car and eat after washing your hands and then opening the container. Your clean hands get contaminated again when you touch the container to open it, then put your hands to your mouth.

If the employees who wrapped your take out, or handled it to give it to you at the register were not infected, nothing to worry about. But what if they were?

Might be good to start wiping down plastic items or plastic packaging with sanitizing wipes when we bring them home. Soda bottles, water bottles, packaging for snack foods, credit and debit cards, etc. Plastic elevator buttons that dozens of people have touched? Sanitize your hands after using them or don't touch your face until you wash your hands.

Or, if it's too much to be concerned about after 2 years of dealing with covid, then don't. But be sure you are vaccinated and boosted and be careful around vulnerable people.

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
21. That is so effed up. I still spray everything down
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:43 AM
Jan 2022

from the grocery store, including prescription medication bottles, and also packages that are delivered (box and items because I know they were packed and handled by someone). Every now and then I forget to spray my mail, which isn't necessarily a big deal except I've caught myself touching my nose right after handling it.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
31. I wipe down everything
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:14 AM
Jan 2022

that I bring into my apartment that can be wiped. I spray cardboard and mail. Or read the mail, then set it aside for a couple days or toss it, depending on what it is, and wash my hands after handling it.

I wash fresh vegetables with water anyway before using them. If they are going to be coooked, the virus will be killed. If they are going to be eaten raw in a salad, I make sure that I rub and scrub them before eating them. Can't use chemicals or soap on them.

I wipe down my keys, credit card, eyeglasses (plastic), and all purchased items as soon as I get in the door. Then wash my hands afterward. I spray the bags that I use for shopping.

When I am out of my apartment, I wear an N95 and use a tissue or cheap paper napkin to touch elevator buttons and open doors because dozens of people touch those things.

But I am a retired senior living by myself. I have time to do this. I don't have children running to greet me at the door and grab packages to see what's in them. I don't have to go from home to work to shopping and then home again. I don't have to get dinner on the table right away when I get home. It is much harder for other people to follow a regimen like mine after shopping.

But, since I am over 65 and have underlying health issues, I think that it's a good idea to take the precautions that I do.

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
46. Wow! I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be more diligent
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 06:14 PM
Jan 2022

about it than me! I used to disinfect my credit card back in 2020 but stopped because I was afraid I'd damage the chip or something. Glasses I've slacked on as well.

Tumbulu

(6,278 posts)
39. I was wondering about this very thing
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:44 AM
Jan 2022

And went back to disinfecting surfaces, and opening boxes and mail outside.

This is significant- thanks for sharing!

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
20. The unvaxxed people I know are insisting that omicron is like the common cold
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:38 AM
Jan 2022

Meanwhile, people are out here dying. It's really unfortunate and I'm really worried about them. The past two years have really sucked.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
26. My wife and youngest son caught the 'Rona.
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:57 AM
Jan 2022

Wifey vaxxed and boosted. Son is fully vaxxed and had an appointment for a booster as it just came available for him (he's 12). Wife works in hospital lab. Wears all the appropriate PPE, including N95 masks (with a surgical mask too, to extend the life of the N95 apparently). Half her lab also caught the 'rona and the lab with one exception is fully vaxxed and boosted (exception is fully vaxxed but won't get boosted as both shots did a complete number on them that their doctor actually advised against shot #2 - but that's another story).

How did the Omicron variant affect these folks? My son's symptoms were like a short flu. So in his case you could argue it's like a bad cold. Mild fever for a day, stuffy nose, headaches, tired. My wife was like a flu - fever for three days, real stuffy nose, headaches and very tired. Wife's coworkers symptoms were similar for the most part but one got pneumonia.

Did the vaccines work? My answer would be yes. None were admitted to the hospital as a customer. My gut feeling is if my wife wasn't vaccinated at all she'd likely have been in the ICU, and possibly dead. But then what do I know - I'm a delivery boy not a doctor.

Johnny2X2X

(19,062 posts)
27. Omicron is the worst version of Covid, period
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 09:59 AM
Jan 2022

The fact that scientists allowed it to spread that it's less severe is a crime, it's not less severe to society although it on average is less severe for indicviduals.

Omicron infects more people and thus kills a greater number of people. If you had 2 totally separate pandemics and 1 infected 100 Million people while killing 500,000 and another infected 50 Million people while killing 400,000 people, everyone would agree that the one that infected and killed more people was the more severe pandemic.

But people are so consumed with themselves that they only think of Covid in terms of how it affects them, not the toll on society. Omicron is taking a heavier toll on society than any previous version of Covid.

Johnny2X2X

(19,062 posts)
35. Vaccines
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:22 AM
Jan 2022

Much of the reduction is due to a higher rate of vaccinations. If Omicron had been the first version of Covid, the toll would have been absolutely horrific.

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
36. The graph needs to show the timeframe, it could easily be very misleading.
Wed Jan 26, 2022, 10:26 AM
Jan 2022

That graph is most meaningful if they cover deaths only since people COULD be fully vaccinated. If they charted ALL covid deaths, then the unvaccinated bar shows two years' worth of deaths, while the vaccinated bars show less than one year's worth of deaths, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. I'm sure it's still true that the difference is enormous, but it may not be quite the 99% difference they're talking about.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
54. I'll stick to my 100% of three mRNA shots and one non-mRNA shot and not getting COViD
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 12:14 AM
Jan 2022

I may go back to Mexico to boost the non-mRNA vaccine. Thank you Mexico Health Ministry!

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
55. I got my booster yesterday. Boy do I feel like crap.
Thu Jan 27, 2022, 12:50 AM
Jan 2022

Woke up feeling fine, a couple hours later the chills set in. I'm shivering uncontrollably for several hours while the heat tries to go up (elec baseboard + full size single pane windows.) About 1pm the advil I took finally kicks in and I feel the heat but another thing props up. My appetite goes bye-bye. I hope I feel better tomorrow.

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