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Is there a way to get conservatives out of trucking? (Original Post) fescuerescue Feb 2022 OP
I don't understand the question. LiberatedUSA Feb 2022 #1
AI? OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2022 #2
Their licenses should be revoked along with their insurance Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #3
Followed by BLM supporters? brooklynite Feb 2022 #6
Very good point Zeitghost Feb 2022 #11
Exactly! NutmegYankee Feb 2022 #47
I am certainly not advocating for authoritarian policies. Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #77
For these guys who are violating a lot of laws about noise and where they can park, etc, Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #17
"These guys" are Canadian. brooklynite Feb 2022 #18
Yes I know. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #19
People don't seem to grasp this. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #20
Of course I know this. Why would it make a difference to what I said? Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #25
It doesn't. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #85
Oh. I lost the thread there. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #98
EXACTLY!!! Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #78
Exactly, I can't believe anyone would think this is a good idea... Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #48
No. Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #76
A number of BLM protests did the same and blocked highways or major intersections. Jedi Guy Feb 2022 #139
True indeed. And if you said that they were breaking laws treestar Feb 2022 #155
No, you can't do that and shouldn't. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #46
As an owner/operator, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #69
... A HERETIC I AM Feb 2022 #150
No 3_Limes Feb 2022 #4
Why can't we drop a herd of skunks in their midst? Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #5
They use polar bears in Canada. Ace Rothstein Feb 2022 #42
Surfeit. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #62
I'd venture a guess that the majority of truckers lean right captain queeg Feb 2022 #7
I think Jilly_in_VA Feb 2022 #8
Can we all ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #9
It's weird, right? Sympthsical Feb 2022 #14
Well, I suppose I just ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #26
This owner/operator fully agrees with your post, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #70
You get a heart! You are right Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #49
Please understand...and this goes for everyone reading this thread... Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #82
Actually, there have been a lot of ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #95
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #100
+1 treestar Feb 2022 #112
And when we gather to protest there are laws that could be used to stop us too... Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #116
If those were passenger vehicles instead of trucks... Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #154
Is this a serious question ? left-of-center2012 Feb 2022 #10
Just want to highlight the weird authoritarianism here Sympthsical Feb 2022 #12
God forbid anyone talk about the dystopian BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #15
Oh, it's all getting dystopian all right Sympthsical Feb 2022 #16
I'm not eager... BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #24
How is this any ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #27
Generally speaking unions don't break the law even when they are striking. BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #29
I don't disagree, ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #30
What about the rights of others? BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #34
We stand divided ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #35
Interesting... BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #36
Were they there ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #37
Then why are these truckers flying Trump flags? BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #38
Ok the, maybe there is ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #39
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #71
It is a political protest from people I disagree with vehemently. However, I would lay down my Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #51
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #72
agree nt Celerity Feb 2022 #96
Thanks...you either have a Republic and free speech for all or you end up with one for none. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #137
I've only seen Canadian flags. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #88
This is a weird argument. These guys are breaking multiple laws. When union workers Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #101
Some keep hearing ForgedCrank Feb 2022 #106
If you think I heard words you never said, I apologize. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #107
So are you prepared for this standard to be used in all protests? ripcord Feb 2022 #117
Immediately? No. Two weeks in? OK. Rounded up? No. Fined, as the standing Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #123
The Trucker have a right to think as they choose. This is America...if they break laws. I Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #118
They are likely breaking some law treestar Feb 2022 #113
I can think of some marches and protests widely supported on DU that blocked interstates and bridges Calista241 Feb 2022 #126
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #129
When was that? treestar Feb 2022 #130
No, there were some that blocked roads and bridges last year. But they were very short-lived. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #135
Remember what happened in Seattle and certain portions of Portland? Sympthsical Feb 2022 #152
Did they blare ear splitting noise 24 hours for weeks? Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #153
See, this is the problem with information bubbles Sympthsical Feb 2022 #156
Sorry. I do see differences and that's not information bubble. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #157
No one said they weren't Sympthsical Feb 2022 #151
Dude. WTF? Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #13
Ditto. BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #22
If you want a job sarisataka Feb 2022 #21
I never expected to see such a post here. And sadly, you are correct. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #119
Do you advocate that people should be asked their political views in a job interview? BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #23
No, but it actually is legal to do so. fescuerescue Feb 2022 #33
"our supply chain" do you even hear...nevermind n/t leftstreet Feb 2022 #41
The trains must run on time...seriously f'd up. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #120
That's our food and medicine. fescuerescue Feb 2022 #132
Absolutely not. That is madness. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #52
Then you know nothing about truck drivers, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #73
Thanks for getting us what we need...this entire argument is ridiculous. People have a right Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #121
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #122
This fuckin place WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2022 #28
+1 leftstreet Feb 2022 #40
+1. NutmegYankee Feb 2022 #45
Exactly correct... Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #53
Lol. Yep. Scrivener7 Feb 2022 #104
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #105
Maybe by bringing back the fairness doctrine? Iris Feb 2022 #31
Yea I don't know why everyone is jumping to such fascist conclusions fescuerescue Feb 2022 #32
That is a hard... HELL NO from me. You don't gain diversity by shutting down political discourse. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #56
But is that what it is when it's just one side constantly blathering on and on Iris Feb 2022 #58
That doesn't mean, we get to take away their right to free speech...we need to develop our own Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #125
I have said nothing about limiting free speech here. Quite the opposite. Iris Feb 2022 #147
Or shutting down ports. fescuerescue Feb 2022 #136
Those who engage in illegal activity can likely will be arrested...that has nothing to do with Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #142
That is not going to happen. The courts will never allow it. So we need to have some media Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #54
We've had that. It didn't work. Air America. Iris Feb 2022 #59
And why did it fail? And that still is no reason to allow free speech to be done away with...sorry. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #127
How does a Fairness Doctrine do away with free speech? Iris Feb 2022 #146
No and good thing there isn't. Any tool of political repression that might work for you.. DickKessler Feb 2022 #43
They're the ones willing to take the jobs and do the work Raine Feb 2022 #44
Sure, replace the driver with technology Amishman Feb 2022 #50
Yeah, thanks for your post. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #74
That is a horrible and terrifying idea alphafemale Feb 2022 #55
I agree completely. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #57
Yes. Reaction without thinking, of course. Hortensis Feb 2022 #61
Yes, replace all right-wing am radio stations with left-wing am radio stations. Emile Feb 2022 #60
No. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #63
:) They'd have to be very rich because no one would listen to them. Hortensis Feb 2022 #64
You ever spent 24 hrs a day n an 18 wheeler? I have! Emile Feb 2022 #65
No, but I hope you liked it. I could I think, all else Hortensis Feb 2022 #67
. . Emile Feb 2022 #68
I have and still do and most modern Semi's are equipped with satellite radio, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #75
Yeah, but you're not a slip seating company driver. Emile Feb 2022 #80
No, I'm not, but that doesn't change the fact, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #84
I retired 10 years ago. I had to download mp3 pod casts Emile Feb 2022 #86
... MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #91
I spent 35 years hauling explosives and munitions under contract to the government ripcord Feb 2022 #128
That is exactly my point, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #134
DOT was never a problem ripcord Feb 2022 #144
Congratulations on a full and successful career, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #145
I did that too. I have every episode of Gunsmoke, The Whistler, etc etc Emile Feb 2022 #141
This message was self-deleted by its author Emile Feb 2022 #87
Make them do a reading and writing test. Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #66
JFC!!!! MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #81
Are you a republican trucker ? Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #97
NO, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #99
Then take it as a joke its meant to be Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #102
It sure didn't come off like a joke, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #103
Up to 90% Of Canadian truckers are vaccinated, its probably very similar here. Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #108
Fair enough, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #110
Wow, prejudge much? BlackSkimmer Feb 2022 #90
I take it you're talking about the REPUBLICAN DRIVERS? Emile Feb 2022 #94
Yes , see above Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #109
+1 Emile Feb 2022 #111
Thanks Mr. Sparkle Feb 2022 #124
The fact that some on our side would consider such an action makes me fear for our Republic. Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #114
And for my 5,000th post, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #115
Congrats on you 5,000th post...I am honored that it was posted to me...a star for thee! Demsrule86 Feb 2022 #131
I was holding off until the right post to reply too, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #140
Congrats and you got a "Good Day DU" milestones nod from EarlG for that! BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #159
Very cool. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #160
Get them all to gather in one place and commit crimes. lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #79
Which is basically what is happening except they still have their trucks... Trueblue Texan Feb 2022 #83
Exactly! lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #89
This thread well illustrates how authoritarianism ... Whiskeytide Feb 2022 #92
IKR? MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #93
How is this different than RWers saying "How do we get liberals out of teaching?" Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #133
Well they are wrong fescuerescue Feb 2022 #138
No, you and I and most of DU agrees that they are wrong, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2022 #143
If you are talking about your hot take that conservatives shouldn't be truckers, Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2022 #148
Can't they Mad_Machine76 Feb 2022 #149
Sure, you could start by applying for the job. SonofBen Feb 2022 #158
 

LiberatedUSA

(1,666 posts)
1. I don't understand the question.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 06:57 PM
Feb 2022

Do you mean as in truckers? Like don’t hire people if they vote a certain way? That likely won’t pass constitutional muster.

brooklynite

(93,157 posts)
6. Followed by BLM supporters?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:06 PM
Feb 2022

I’m mean, if we’re letting State Governments seize the licenses of people who disagree with them, I sure that DeSantis / Kemp / Abbott will have some ideas.

Zeitghost

(3,665 posts)
11. Very good point
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:24 PM
Feb 2022

Those that advocate for authoritarian policies seem to think those same policies will never be used against them and I've never understood why.

Trueblue Texan

(2,315 posts)
77. I am certainly not advocating for authoritarian policies.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:46 AM
Feb 2022

But I expect to be held accountable under the law like anyone else and these truckers should be also.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
17. For these guys who are violating a lot of laws about noise and where they can park, etc,
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:31 PM
Feb 2022

I DO think every possible legal summons should be used, though. There should be consequences for their having made the lives of the people living in the city hell for an extended period.

But any consequence needs to be because of a law they broke, not their political opinion.

Trueblue Texan

(2,315 posts)
76. No.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:45 AM
Feb 2022

They're licenses should be revoked NOT because they are protesting or for WHAT they are protesting. I agree that is their right. Their licenses should be revoked because they are blocking traffic, commerce and infringing on the rights of their fellow citizens to move freely. They don't own those bridges, taxpayers do. They have no right to block them. I will admit they have every right to protest, but not the way they are doing it.

Jedi Guy

(3,160 posts)
139. A number of BLM protests did the same and blocked highways or major intersections.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:37 AM
Feb 2022

So they blocked traffic/commerce and infringed on the rights of their fellow citizens to move freely. Would you be in favor of them being arrested for doing so?

I suspect that if the authorities had arrested BLM protestors for doing so DU would have absolutely exploded with outrage. I seem to recall seeing posts about those protests making the precise point you're making, and the general consensus here was "oh well."

Can't have it both ways.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
155. True indeed. And if you said that they were breaking laws
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 01:08 PM
Feb 2022

it would have been racist. The arrests would have been racist.

I was reading about the protests in Chicago in 1968 involving Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Tom Hayden, etc. They were arrested and prosecuted under a statute other poster said there was clear proof TFG violated. Then when you read what they did, it was clear why they were arrested. And they did not get away with it for being white either. (The usual comment being that "if he were white, he would not be prosecuted.&quot

captain queeg

(10,016 posts)
7. I'd venture a guess that the majority of truckers lean right
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:13 PM
Feb 2022

Not that they are all wingnuts. But it tends to be an uneducated group. Of course I’m speaking from experience 40 yrs ago when I drove for awhile. It’s a way a hard worker with limited education can make a living. And it’s a rough life in so many ways. Long hours, long times away from home, hard physical labor between long stretches of sitting on your ass. Not a healthy lifestyle. So most people that can find better will not do it too long although there are those that enjoy that lifestyle. I’m sure plenty of them listen to RW radio for hours every day. All that being said they are doing a service that a lot of left leaning folks wouldn’t want to do.

Jilly_in_VA

(9,766 posts)
8. I think
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:14 PM
Feb 2022

it has to do with AM talk radio, which was taken over years ago by the right wing. And that's what they all listen to.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
9. Can we all
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:20 PM
Feb 2022

hear the things we are saying right now?
I don't want people harassed and destroyed over their personal opinions.
I'm a Democrat, I don't just vote that way.

Sympthsical

(8,600 posts)
14. It's weird, right?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:28 PM
Feb 2022

Maybe because I'm not really partisan, so I tend to feel like I'm viewing things with an outsider's perspective.

But it's gotten weird with the truckers, right? Like really authoritarian.

I just can't imagine these things being said if it was a protest by our side. We're the ones who have a decent chunk who think a general strike would be a good idea for various things.

It's like, what exactly did you think that would look like? Because it would look kind of like this only worse.

So are we doing a reassessment . . . . or do we just not like that the Right is being more disruptive than we usually manage when we're pissed off about something?

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
26. Well, I suppose I just
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:37 PM
Feb 2022

find it somewhat disturbing that we are attacking people who are organized labor and fighting for something they want and believe in.
No, I don't agree with them in any way on the subject matter, but I stand by my convictions, even when it hurts. I support organized labor for pure reasons, not because they will vote the way I want.
I've even read comments about fetching military against these truckers, stealing their private property and taking away their livelihood, all because we disagree with their premise. This isn't a Democratic position in my apparently unpopular opinion.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
70. This owner/operator fully agrees with your post,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:28 AM
Feb 2022

there's even a post about most truckers leaning RW and most are uneducated, which I can say with experience and confidence that this is simply not true here in the US, there is diversity among truck drivers and most are educated, at least the ones I have met, and I've met a lot of company and independent truck drivers.

A lady friend of mine, who is a college graduate with a degree in engineering, now drives my other truck and she loves it, she gets paid to see the US and she finds it more relaxing than her former profession.

Trueblue Texan

(2,315 posts)
82. Please understand...and this goes for everyone reading this thread...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:52 AM
Feb 2022

NO ONE is advocating taking anyone's rights or punishing them for their opinions. Give us here at DU some credit for understanding the 1st Amendment and the right to political free speech and assembly. BUT these truckers are not merely exercising their rights to free speech, they are breaking the laws of the road and they know it. They should be held accountable under the law, just as they would be held accountable for driving drunk or any other law they break, no matter whether anyone agrees with them or not.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
95. Actually, there have been a lot of
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:13 AM
Feb 2022

folks here advocating violating the rights of truckers up to and including confiscating their equipment, cancelling their careers, all sorts of nasty things.
I will certainly concede that a lot of these comments are probably made in jest, or simply out of aggravation. I do that myself from time to time and I'm not innocent either. But some of them are quite serious, and those are the ones that are disturbing to me.
I just think it's a really bad look for us overall, especially against an organized labor effort, something I stand behind with all of my convictions and will always defend.
I like almost everyone here, and I think we all agree on the basics. But I don't really comment on every thread I agree with (like 99% of them) or I'd be here all day posting thumbs-up replies. I usually only inject myself where I disagree, and this was just one of those.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. +1
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:14 AM
Feb 2022

The laws they are breaking.

Jumping on the chance for virtue signaling. People need to stop and think first. Of course no one here advocates punishment for political opinion. But pretending someone did that gives the person a chance to announce their purity.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
116. And when we gather to protest there are laws that could be used to stop us too...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:20 AM
Feb 2022

Sorry, Democracy is for all or it won't survive. I am categorically against making Truck Driving rules based on one's political leanings full stop.

Sympthsical

(8,600 posts)
12. Just want to highlight the weird authoritarianism here
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:24 PM
Feb 2022

People are arguing with me that there isn't some blatant authoritarian-laced flavor in some of the responses to the truckers.

So . . .

This happened.

Sympthsical

(8,600 posts)
16. Oh, it's all getting dystopian all right
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:29 PM
Feb 2022

I just didn't realize how eager some people would be for that sort of thing.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
24. I'm not eager...
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:57 PM
Feb 2022

But we are seeing a growing movement of anti-democratic (small “d” democratic) populists doing what they can to destroy law and order and replace it with mob rule. We need to ask why now and who’s funding it?

Are all truckers bad? Hell no! My daughter and her husband are both progressives and they drove for over a decade. There are also plenty of other decent truckers of all stripes condemning this freak show. But we do need to address this issue because the truckers involved in creating this chaos are part of a broader populist agenda whether they know it or not.

Dark money is funding this and other chaotic shit that all boils down to Lord of the Flies level dystopian populism. We need to get in front of this and stomp it out.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
27. How is this any
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 09:46 PM
Feb 2022

different that a union completely shutting down operations and stopping services they provide when they organize and strike? It's disruptive, it negatively affects people who aren't even involved, it hurts everyone. That's the entire point of a strike, to apply pressure in numbers and in concert in order to gain leverage for a desired outcome. Do we really want to outlaw this practice? Would all strikers become outlaws, subject to arrest and property seizure? Are we really going to insist that government bring in tanks and militarized police to break them up? Because I see those calls here on this very site. It goes against every conviction we hold dear.
And NO, I don't agree with their demands, I think they are idiots. But that's my opinion, I'm not them. They are doing something we all support in any other circumstance. I support organized labor even if it doesn't serve me in some way. It's a right.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
29. Generally speaking unions don't break the law even when they are striking.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:06 PM
Feb 2022

These folks are shutting down freeways, blocking bridges, and impeding access to international airports. When people break the law for what they believe is a worthy cause, they still need to be prepared to accept the consequences.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
30. I don't disagree,
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:09 PM
Feb 2022

and it appears to me that these truck drivers are most certainly prepared to accept the consequences. But that shouldn't include getting their civil rights stomped on.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
34. What about the rights of others?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:24 PM
Feb 2022

Their civil rights do not extend to breaking the law and they don’t extend to violating the rights of others. How about all those who need to travel safely without being blocked by trucks closing down roads, bridges, and international ports? Where do they go for their rights being infringed?

These are not your average union members (in fact I doubt they are union members at all) they are populist anarchists violating national and international laws because they think they are more important than the societies they live in.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
35. We stand divided
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:27 PM
Feb 2022

on this subject.
I supported it when other marched and did the same, and I'll (reluctantly) support the right of these jackasses to do the same.
I don't change how I see it depending on who it is.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
37. Were they there
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:54 PM
Feb 2022

fighting for their rights or conditions at work?
That should answer the question sufficiently. The two are not the same, not even close.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
38. Then why are these truckers flying Trump flags?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:58 PM
Feb 2022

Why are they covering their trucks with anti-vax posters? The two are the same - exactly.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
39. Ok the, maybe there is
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:05 PM
Feb 2022

something to talk about here.
There were two kinds of people at the January 6th "event".
Type 1 was there to protest. Type 2 were violent rioters.
Type 1 deserved to stand there and say what they wanted, unmolested, no matter how stupid.
Type 2 belong in jail where they currently are.
And the questions you are asking about the truck drivers? How the hell should I know why they fly Trump banners? Maybe because they are Trump nuts? I didn't say I agreed with a single one of them, I think they are dumbasses. I'm just saying they have a right to do what they are doing, just like anyone else who does the same for something they believe in. I believe in the same rules for everyone, equally, without bias, no matter how much I dislike them.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
51. It is a political protest from people I disagree with vehemently. However, I would lay down my
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:07 AM
Feb 2022

my life for their right to protest. If there are laws broken then those in authority can have them arrested of course. But the right of free assembly is in our constitution. However, if these morons shut down the Super Bowl or cause shortages, I think they will be sorry come the midterms... already, even in Ohio, I see a backlash against those who won't vaccinate.

Our strategy for the midterms will be getting out the votes in the Democratic cities but also working to get Democrats in rural areas and in small towns to the polls as well. We are hoping to win statewide races and to pick off even a couple of gerrymandered districts that if we can get the vote out might go our way.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
88. I've only seen Canadian flags.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:02 AM
Feb 2022

My friend who lives near Ottawa says she never seen so many Canadian flags.

If there’s a tfg flag in the bunch, it’s in a minority.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
101. This is a weird argument. These guys are breaking multiple laws. When union workers
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:47 AM
Feb 2022

strike, except in specialized circumstances, they do not break the law.

I am all for protest. If this was about the right to protest, I would be fighting for their right to do it.

But this is not protest. Or it is more than a protest. In addition to legal protesting, these guys are breaking tons of noise and traffic laws and are making life hell for thousands

I have no problem with them protesting. I also have no problem with them facing the standing legal consequences for the laws they are breaking.

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
106. Some keep hearing
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:57 AM
Feb 2022

words that I've never said.
I never said they shouldn't be held accountable by law or any that they may be breaking, because they should. They even risk losing their jobs, just like one would if he were a union striker. I'm sure a lot of them will when this is over.
My argument is that when we suggest confiscating their private property, taking away their given right to make a living, and insisting that they just shut up is something I simply will not promote or get behind in any way.

If these guys just kept driving in circles around the city, thousands of them, that wouldn't be breaking any laws. The result would be the same, the city would be effectively shut down and unable to function. Would your opinion change then?
And it is indeed a protest, a rather massive one.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
107. If you think I heard words you never said, I apologize.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:00 AM
Feb 2022

Yes, actually. If they protested in the way you describe, if they did not break standing laws, I would support their right to it.

But that isn't what they are doing.

However, at the base, we may simply be talking past each other and agreeing on substance.


ripcord

(4,943 posts)
117. So are you prepared for this standard to be used in all protests?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:21 AM
Feb 2022

When protesters block a road or building entrance they should be immediately arrested, when they break noise laws and curfews they should all be rounded up because they are breaking the law, this is what you are saying.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
123. Immediately? No. Two weeks in? OK. Rounded up? No. Fined, as the standing
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:27 AM
Feb 2022

law requires? Yes.

Especially if they, in a sustained and prolonged way, are violating the rights of the people who live in the area, many of whom have been harassed and accosted, and many of whose homes have been made unlivable, and many of whose livelihoods have been endangered.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
118. The Trucker have a right to think as they choose. This is America...if they break laws. I
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:23 AM
Feb 2022

would assume there would be consequences...but you can't use political views you disagree with ( no matter how malignant we think they are) in order to 'weed out right wing truckers' as some have suggested. NO.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
113. They are likely breaking some law
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:15 AM
Feb 2022

Blocking a bridge will most likely be against some law or ordinance. Egads!

Calista241

(5,575 posts)
126. I can think of some marches and protests widely supported on DU that blocked interstates and bridges
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:29 AM
Feb 2022

Some of them very recent from the last few years.

People need to be careful what they wish for. The idea that laws, mass arrests and confiscation of property cannot be used against the next protest cause we support are in for a rude awakening.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
130. When was that?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:32 AM
Feb 2022

I don't recall one.

The right wingers blocking the freeway in LA over that movie about Jesus was one I recall.

It's a stupid idea. Some ambulance might need that road. No matter which side. If the left did it, it's bad too.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
135. No, there were some that blocked roads and bridges last year. But they were very short-lived.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:36 AM
Feb 2022

This is going into a third week now. It's a very different circumstance, and there is a question of the rights of the residents of the area who are being harassed and whose homes have been made unlivable for an extended period of time.

Sympthsical

(8,600 posts)
152. Remember what happened in Seattle and certain portions of Portland?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:29 PM
Feb 2022

Because shutting down areas in those places did get support.

Occupy also closed down many places in its hey day. I remember what a pain in the ass that was for me for awhile, because the main local protest was right where I worked.

Memories are very short.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
153. Did they blare ear splitting noise 24 hours for weeks?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:44 PM
Feb 2022

Did they prevent people from getting medical care?

Did they storm soup kitchens, terrorize their workers and steal their food?

Did they rip masks from the faces of passersby? Did they harass the people in the neighborhoods who were minding their business?

My memory may be short, because I remember nothing like that. And I too walked by an Occupy site during my daily travels back in the day. I never felt danger or, indeed, anything but encouraged.

Sympthsical

(8,600 posts)
156. See, this is the problem with information bubbles
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 01:44 PM
Feb 2022

The bad parts of the protests we agree with aren't posted multiple times all over the place. So people think, "There were barely any problems!"

And I'll definitely not be doing that here today, because we both know how it'd go.

Suffice to say, it wasn't always smooth sailing or pleasant for the people who lived around various incidents.

Hey, I disagree with these protests. But the double standards are wide and deep, and the authoritarian impulse at the heart of reactions and responses are disturbing. Watching the fine parsing being done is kind of interesting. "Why is this part bad when they do it, but it's ok for us?" "Well, you see, my rationale all started when Phyllis went to the grocery store . . ."

As someone from the outside (a Democrat, but a nonpartisan), I don't think people realize what it looks like.

Ridiculous. It looks ridiculous. And flatly hypocritical.

Scrivener7

(50,347 posts)
157. Sorry. I do see differences and that's not information bubble.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:21 PM
Feb 2022

If you feel that's hypocritical, so be it.

Sympthsical

(8,600 posts)
151. No one said they weren't
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 12:26 PM
Feb 2022

If they are arrested or fined for breaking the law, that will be the cost of civil disobedience. I am not defending their opinions or advocating they be free from the consequences of breaking the law. As near as I can tell, no one here is advocating for that.

However, the retributive fantasies and all kinds of notions of what the Canadian government, military, and even private citizens do in revenge for it are chock full of the authoritarian impulse.

Sorry. I'm going to call it out when I see it. And this stuff has been popping up like daisies.

sarisataka

(18,019 posts)
21. If you want a job
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:49 PM
Feb 2022

First you must show you are a member of the party and in good standing.

Sounds familiar somehow 🤔

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
23. Do you advocate that people should be asked their political views in a job interview?
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 07:51 PM
Feb 2022

Because if so, that is fucking scary.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
33. No, but it actually is legal to do so.
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:23 PM
Feb 2022

But no.

This is more about not handing control of our supply chain to wing nuts who hold it hostage.

We need more diversity in such an important role.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
121. Thanks for getting us what we need...this entire argument is ridiculous. People have a right
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:26 AM
Feb 2022

to believe as they choose.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
32. Yea I don't know why everyone is jumping to such fascist conclusions
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 10:20 PM
Feb 2022

I’m talking about influencing a little a balance and diversity.

I suspect you are onto something about talk radios influence.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
125. That doesn't mean, we get to take away their right to free speech...we need to develop our own
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:28 AM
Feb 2022

mechanisms to spread our message...and make the message appealing as well to as many folks as we can. You can't have free speech only for speech you agree with. It won't work.

Iris

(15,611 posts)
147. I have said nothing about limiting free speech here. Quite the opposite.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:47 AM
Feb 2022

Last edited Fri Feb 11, 2022, 03:16 PM - Edit history (1)

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
142. Those who engage in illegal activity can likely will be arrested...that has nothing to do with
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:40 AM
Feb 2022

the idea of 'getting right-wing truck drivers out of truck driving.' My son will be laid off next week... can't get car parts so this really pissed me off but not enough to toss our freedoms protected in our constitution away.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
54. That is not going to happen. The courts will never allow it. So we need to have some media
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:11 AM
Feb 2022

that supports us.

Demsrule86

(67,997 posts)
127. And why did it fail? And that still is no reason to allow free speech to be done away with...sorry.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:29 AM
Feb 2022

Iris

(15,611 posts)
146. How does a Fairness Doctrine do away with free speech?
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:46 AM
Feb 2022

The airways are not "owned" so how does requiring alternate voices eliminate free speech?

DickKessler

(350 posts)
43. No and good thing there isn't. Any tool of political repression that might work for you..
Thu Feb 10, 2022, 11:31 PM
Feb 2022

...will inevitably be used against you.

Raine

(30,454 posts)
44. They're the ones willing to take the jobs and do the work
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 04:21 AM
Feb 2022

nothing stopping the liberals from getting into the trucking business if they want to do it. 🤔

Amishman

(5,523 posts)
50. Sure, replace the driver with technology
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 05:55 AM
Feb 2022

automation and self driving technology is coming and will cost a lot of truckers their jobs

Which will be messy. If they're going nuts over having to get poked by a needle, imagine what they'll do when their industry is gutted

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
55. That is a horrible and terrifying idea
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:11 AM
Feb 2022

You want hive brain assimilation and the banishment of people you don't like?

By what authority?

Maybe re-education camps and forced labor?

Emile

(20,957 posts)
60. Yes, replace all right-wing am radio stations with left-wing am radio stations.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 07:37 AM
Feb 2022

That would take some rich progressives.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. :) They'd have to be very rich because no one would listen to them.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:01 AM
Feb 2022

Not enough to make them economically viable anyway. It'd be a good thing, though, if liberals (they're all progressive too) rescued public radio from the rich RWers who've taken much of it over and subverted it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
67. No, but I hope you liked it. I could I think, all else
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:12 AM
Feb 2022

making it a good choice. And in my fantasy all the Repub pols unfit for office would also.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
75. I have and still do and most modern Semi's are equipped with satellite radio,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:44 AM
Feb 2022

alot of them, including both of my trucks, are also equipped with satellite tv, so it's not just AM radio any more, this isn't the 70's, the 80's etc.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
84. No, I'm not, but that doesn't change the fact,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:57 AM
Feb 2022

that there are far more alternatives now then back in the day, like live steaming music, memory sticks with hundreds or thousands of songs recorded, etc, even in company trucks, these are available through personal devices that plug into the trucks electrical system.

When was the last time you were driving a semi if you don't mind my asking?

Emile

(20,957 posts)
86. I retired 10 years ago. I had to download mp3 pod casts
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:02 AM
Feb 2022

and burn them on a mp3 CD to listen to left wing radio! It sucks that you have to download and put on a memory stick just to listen to our side.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
91. ...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:07 AM
Feb 2022
It sucks that you have to download and put on a memory stick just to listen to our side.


I agree, but it is an alternative to listening to the garbage on AM radio.

Even 10 years ago, it was far different than it is today.

Thanks for the conversation and take care retired Road Warrior.

ripcord

(4,943 posts)
128. I spent 35 years hauling explosives and munitions under contract to the government
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:31 AM
Feb 2022

I became addicted to old radio shows like Jack Benny and The Shadow, there are plenty of alternatives for drivers these days to AM talk radio.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
134. That is exactly my point,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:35 AM
Feb 2022

and thank you for doing such a dangerous job, I won't haul any HazMat material, it's not worth the hassle to me, those placards on the side of the trailer announcing the presence of explosives just invites DOT to pull you over and do an up your ass inspection, no thanks, there are plenty of good loads to be had that aren't HazMat.

ripcord

(4,943 posts)
144. DOT was never a problem
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:42 AM
Feb 2022

It paid great and I was able to retire at 57 with over 1.5 million accident free miles. I know it made some people nervous but it was really all I ever did so it was just work to me.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
145. Congratulations on a full and successful career,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:46 AM
Feb 2022

I'm retired also from the military, after my wife passed, I decided to sell the house, buy a truck and the rest is history, I love the nomadic lifestyle, but I'm only going to do this for a few more years, then I'll sell the business and fully retire.

Emile

(20,957 posts)
141. I did that too. I have every episode of Gunsmoke, The Whistler, etc etc
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:39 AM
Feb 2022

along with probably two or three hundred audio books! Anything but right-wing am radio. It would still be nice to have our fair share of progressive am radio stations.

Response to MarineCombatEngineer (Reply #84)

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
81. JFC!!!!
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:50 AM
Feb 2022

What makes you think that truck drivers, even R leaning truck drivers are uneducated?

My real life experience is far different than what you're alluding to, most truck drivers I know, company and independent, are educated and are quite versed in reading and writing.

I get sick and tired of the stereotyping of truck drivers.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
99. NO,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:43 AM
Feb 2022

but I know a hell of a lot of company and independent drivers who are R leaning and each and every one of them that I know have denounced the Canadian drivers and they would refuse to participate in such nonsense, especially owner/operators as it would cost them money and time.

We have a saying in the industry, if the wheels ain't turning, this truck ain't earning, words the vast majority of drivers abide by.

So take your stereotyping of truck drivers and place them where the sun don't shine.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,908 posts)
102. Then take it as a joke its meant to be
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:50 AM
Feb 2022

directed at the morons blockading in Ottawa and their sprung up copycats

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
103. It sure didn't come off like a joke,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:54 AM
Feb 2022

but I'll take your word for it, but my point stands that there is an unfair stereotyping of truck drivers as uneducated morons who can't get another job because they're too stupid to get an education, well, that hasn't been my real life experience no matter what political view they hold.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,908 posts)
108. Up to 90% Of Canadian truckers are vaccinated, its probably very similar here.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:09 AM
Feb 2022

My joke was squarely aimed at the right wing douchebags who want to start blockages over the vaccine, a small minority who clearly dont represent the industry.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
110. Fair enough,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:12 AM
Feb 2022

but you should have stated that, your joke came off different and I took umbrage at that, unfairly, being a truck driver.

I have to go to work now so have a great day.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
140. I was holding off until the right post to reply too,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:37 AM
Feb 2022

and yours was the perfect one.
Thank you for the heart, it is greatly appreciated.

Trueblue Texan

(2,315 posts)
83. Which is basically what is happening except they still have their trucks...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 08:56 AM
Feb 2022

but you break enough traffic laws, you lose your right to drive.

Whiskeytide

(4,450 posts)
92. This thread well illustrates how authoritarianism ...
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 09:08 AM
Feb 2022

… can arise from any point on the political spectrum. It’s about accumulating power and control, and crushing dissent, not ideology. Some of the comments here …? Yikes.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,752 posts)
133. How is this different than RWers saying "How do we get liberals out of teaching?"
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:35 AM
Feb 2022

I'm baffled by DU sometimes.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,004 posts)
143. No, you and I and most of DU agrees that they are wrong,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:42 AM
Feb 2022

but unfortunately, a lot of people think they are right, however stupid that is.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,752 posts)
148. If you are talking about your hot take that conservatives shouldn't be truckers,
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 10:55 AM
Feb 2022

sorry, you are wrong. Requiring a political leaning for a job is just silly.

 

SonofBen

(45 posts)
158. Sure, you could start by applying for the job.
Fri Feb 11, 2022, 06:00 PM
Feb 2022

There is a shortage of drivers, even you might get hired.

Just be sure to act stupid and uneducated in the interview.

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