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CaliforniaPeggy

(149,759 posts)
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 12:00 PM Feb 2022

We May End Up Living in Three Americas if Roe v. Wade Is Decimated--NY Times Opinion

By Mary Ziegler

Ms. Ziegler is the author of “Abortion and the Law in America: Roe v. Wade to the Present.”

In 2019 a wave of anti-abortion laws swept this country — a common enough event in the United States, where hundreds of such laws have passed during the last decade. But these grabbed the public’s attention in a way many others hadn’t. Georgia banned abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy, or about two weeks after a missed menstrual period. Ohio, Mississippi, Louisiana and Kentucky did the same, while Missouri banned the procedure at eight weeks. Alabama went the furthest, banning virtually all abortions in the state.

Though most of these laws were quickly blocked by the courts — they were obviously unconstitutional under Roe v. Wade — the backlash to their passing was intense, especially in Georgia, a major hub of film and television production. Boycotts were threatened. Netflix and Disney spoke out. The actress Alyssa Milano even tried to get a “Lysistrata”-style sex strike off the ground.

Three years later, American reproductive rights are on an even bleaker trajectory. A Supreme Court decision that’s expected to come down this summer is likely to strike down Roe v. Wade, either in deed or in word, making it possible for states with anti-abortion leadership to ban the procedure altogether.




All at the link: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/opinion/abortion-florida-15-week-ban.html?campaign_id=2&emc=edit_th_20220218&instance_id=53562&nl=todaysheadlines®i_id=80294139&segment_id=83150&user_id=e6d99470f2be9f1757ca234d98420b03


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We May End Up Living in Three Americas if Roe v. Wade Is Decimated--NY Times Opinion (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2022 OP
There will be marches.... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2022 #1
Every additional birth above stasis adds $320K in state/local taxes spread over an 18yr period. TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #2
Consider your numbers are way low! Pantagruel Feb 2022 #4
I tried to keep it simple with "Imagine the simple compounding of just 10,000 extra births. . ." TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #5
Goobers Pantagruel Feb 2022 #8
Definitely 2 Americans Freddie Feb 2022 #3
See GOPers can't be racist or classist, as they want to triple the number of minorities & "poors." TheBlackAdder Feb 2022 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Feb 2022 #7
and the well off in red states will fly to the blue states for abortions Demovictory9 Feb 2022 #9

TheBlackAdder

(28,240 posts)
2. Every additional birth above stasis adds $320K in state/local taxes spread over an 18yr period.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 12:08 PM
Feb 2022

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Driving those RED States into further economic collapse as each extra child adds over $320K in costs

You can't put a price on life, actually you can. Every extra birth, above the stasis drives up taxes.

Between education, childcare, medical costs, food supplements, those who can afford to get abortions will, which places the lion's share of births on lower-income families that will have a higher demand for public assistance.


All of those tax-saving fiscal conservatives will do is drive up their local and state property taxes and put their hand out for more federal socialism. Rick Perry tried this shit years ago and in less than one year over 7,000 extra births resulted. It was so bad, he abandoned it. Imagine the simple compounding of just 10,000 extra births each and every year at a cost of $320K per kid over 18 years.


Example: 10K kids per year for 18 years will add $3.2 billion to the state tax requirements.


Year 1) 10000 x $12,000/year (birthing, food, heat, utilities, medical costs, daycare, etc.) = $120,000,000 increased taxes
Year 2) Now 20,000 x $12,000/year = $240M
Year 3) Now 30,000 x 12,000/year = $360M
Year 4) $360M + (10000 x $18000/year) (as education starts to kick in) = $360M + $180M = $540M
Continue compounding $180M each year until the oldest kids become emancipated.

And the above example is in 2019 numbers, not adjusted for costs and inflation.

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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
4. Consider your numbers are way low!
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 12:42 PM
Feb 2022

Each year there's 1 million abortions legally performed in the U.S., by definition that would be 1 million unwanted kids. OK, assume reversing Roe doesn't stop all abortions but removing safe legal options will have a much greater effect than the 10,000 extra mouths you posit. Further, the goobers are already going after chemical abortion solutions.

Recompute, try with 100k extra births.

TheBlackAdder

(28,240 posts)
5. I tried to keep it simple with "Imagine the simple compounding of just 10,000 extra births. . ."
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 03:40 PM
Feb 2022

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Just doing that would add $3.2B in 2019 dollars to a yearly state budget by the 18th year.

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Pantagruel

(2,580 posts)
8. Goobers
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 11:45 PM
Feb 2022

already going after contraception:

"All 3 Republicans running for Michigan Attorney General just stated that they oppose the ruling in Griswold v Connecticut which outlawed prosecuting married couples for using contraception."

TheBlackAdder

(28,240 posts)
6. See GOPers can't be racist or classist, as they want to triple the number of minorities & "poors."
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 03:51 PM
Feb 2022

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They have no clue what they are really wanting, and in another decade they'll realize their heading down the path as a minority themselves even faster than before. The graph and website link below shows that White & Black Americans have the same abortion rate, but then there are Hispanics and Other races that will be added to the mix. This will hurt the Southern border states disproportionately with Hispanics, and really destroy Red State budgets.




http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortion_by_race.html

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