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Richard D

(8,737 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:10 AM Mar 2022

It's bad and getting worse (edited to add more)

Last edited Thu Mar 3, 2022, 04:07 PM - Edit history (1)

From a friend:

Attention
💙💛💙💛💙💛💙💛

Talked to dad

Russian tanks are in the village.

They came, took whatever they wanted from local stores. They took local hostages, older folks to use them to sit on the tanks under gun points so Ukrainian resistance don’t throw Molotov cocktails at those tanks. Someone knocked in their door at night, they hid in the hallway away from windows, and little Nick their grandson was whispering are we going to get killed tonight.

Electricity is out, so no heat and no water, it’s 32 Fahrenheit outside. There are 2 roads to Kiev - one is destroyed and another one under fire as we speak. Hit or miss. New reality for regular Ukrainian family in 21st century.

This is a simple example. Thankfully they are not buried alive under some smoking ruins left after the air strikes. Kharkov is in ruins, no one is safe. It’s real war.

Try to swallow this

The world has to hear the truth about this peacemaking operation.

* * * * *

More from my friend:

My ancestors on this earth survived the revolution, fascist occupation, Stalinist repressions, hunger and deprivation.
But my city is one and a half thousand years old and it will survive this war too!
Kyiv was the capital of Russia when there was a swamp in the place of Moscow.
My city, my people - will survive and will only become stronger.
But the Muscovite kingdom came to an inglorious end.

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It's bad and getting worse (edited to add more) (Original Post) Richard D Mar 2022 OP
This is from your friend? nt Phoenix61 Mar 2022 #1
Yes nt Richard D Mar 2022 #13
How horrifying. PittBlue Mar 2022 #2
slow-motion annihilation RussBLib Mar 2022 #3
Yes we watch the Ukrainian people being wiped out in front of our eyes. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #4
It is excruciating. I agree with you. We usually respect treaties? I do not agree. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #8
Russia Expert Fiona Hill Reveals How It Could All Go South For Vladimir Putin SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2022 #28
Let's hope so. Magoo48 Mar 2022 #29
She recalled sitting next to Putin at a state dinner murielm99 Mar 2022 #57
Not optimistic timvrip Mar 2022 #58
Agree with you 100% geardaddy Mar 2022 #42
And a week ago they were living lives much like our own. They are us. Scrivener7 Mar 2022 #5
I guess Russia can do whatever it wants RussBLib Mar 2022 #6
I have no doubt the tyrants of the worlds are taking note. RevBrotherThomas Mar 2022 #9
Sadly. Codifer Mar 2022 #25
The world Delphinus Mar 2022 #7
most of the world knows the truth RussBLib Mar 2022 #11
I hope some Russian or a group of Russians do what needs to be done with Putin. Botany Mar 2022 #10
Putin needs to "jump out of a window" RFCalifornia Mar 2022 #34
Or have a cup of tea. nt dv421 Mar 2022 #36
No that is the way Putin kills people. He will more than likely get shot by by somebody around him. Botany Mar 2022 #37
It's heartbreaking ❤️‍🩹 Tickle Mar 2022 #12
I can't watch either. LittleGirl Mar 2022 #32
The millions of war refugees and civilian dead of Yemen and Syria, spare a thought also? Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2022 #14
+1 n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2022 #19
thank you Kali Mar 2022 #21
Thank you. As to say the truth...ethnocentric media coverage is the root cause of Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2022 #30
Palestinians too. nt childfreebychoice Mar 2022 #23
WWIII Has Begun, Putin Will Use Nukes, (Again), Says Fiona Hill Roc2020 Mar 2022 #15
I tend to agree. n/t LuckyCharms Mar 2022 #18
She walked that position back a bit last night on Colbert. Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2022 #20
Probably wasnt her position in the first place...don't know...but first the outrage, then the truth. Alexander Of Assyria Mar 2022 #31
President Biden "our intelligence tells us he won't use nuclear weapons." PortTack Mar 2022 #24
Which means, I hope, the Generals won't let him obamanut2012 Mar 2022 #41
The important fact that needs to be drilled into Putin Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2022 #54
Again? PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2022 #26
We have to unite against this monster. Initech Mar 2022 #33
Agreed. And now. Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #47
Yup! Tomorrow may be too late. Initech Mar 2022 #50
She walked those statements back on Colbert PortTack Mar 2022 #45
Link ? left-of-center2012 Mar 2022 #16
Verklempt! czarjak Mar 2022 #17
The Ukrainians will probably eventually succumb to the sheer weight of Russia's military COL Mustard Mar 2022 #22
People will be part of that smoking pile of ruble. Boomerproud Mar 2022 #35
I've got a friend hiding with her sister and mom and others qazplm135 Mar 2022 #55
I'm sorry. COL Mustard Mar 2022 #61
The whole thing is so rotten TeamProg Mar 2022 #27
What a nightmare! smirkymonkey Mar 2022 #38
Putin's great-great-grandson Habitation Mar 2022 #39
This image is stunning rhiannon55 Mar 2022 #52
Yes please do 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦? Habitation Mar 2022 #62
And just today the Russian leadership claimed the Ukrainians were using "human shields" csziggy Mar 2022 #40
Coca Cola Richard D Mar 2022 #43
More ways to help Richard D Mar 2022 #44
The West Needs to Act Now to Control the Skies Over Ukraine waterwatcher123 Mar 2022 #46
Agree with paragraphs 1 and 3. It's too late for 2. Or is it? Welcome Evolve Dammit Mar 2022 #48
The time to help Ukraine was years ago radius777 Mar 2022 #56
Want to see the future of Ukraine? AverageOldGuy Mar 2022 #49
Terrifying. calimary Mar 2022 #51
On top of everything else . . . AverageOldGuy Mar 2022 #53
the scammers go over the top with the money amounts Demovictory9 Mar 2022 #59
😿 Meowmee Mar 2022 #60

RussBLib

(9,002 posts)
3. slow-motion annihilation
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:22 AM
Mar 2022

it's excruciating.

No, we respect treaties (usually). The Russians don't.

So.....

Irish_Dem

(46,420 posts)
4. Yes we watch the Ukrainian people being wiped out in front of our eyes.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:28 AM
Mar 2022

It is excruciating yes.

The world is now ruled by the Russian mob.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,081 posts)
28. Russia Expert Fiona Hill Reveals How It Could All Go South For Vladimir Putin
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 01:45 PM
Mar 2022

"....Members of this small circle are who Putin “probably does have to worry about” if “it looks like Russia is losing,” said Hill, an intelligence analyst under former President George W. Bush and Barack Obama who later served on the National Security Council under Donald Trump. Hill was an important witness during Trump’s 0first impeachment.

“I don’t think they care about the world of public opinion,” Hill added. “But if there’s not any movement on the ground, if that great convoy of tanks just basically runs out of gas and is just left there, and if they have to kind of lay waste to Ukraine to basically get a success … you might then start to get a backlash from those people who are thinking this has not gone as they intended.”


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/fiona-hill-vladimir-putin-worry-about_n_62209806e4b030a2f5391650

murielm99

(30,712 posts)
57. She recalled sitting next to Putin at a state dinner
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 03:10 AM
Mar 2022

where he ate and drank nothing. She said he has food tasters. He is most afraid of those closest to him.

After Stalin died, Khrushchev had to outmaneuver about six of the others who had been close to Stalin. They included Malinkov, Beria and Molotov. I don't recall the others offhand. Khrushchev supported Stalin's purges. Khrushchev was sent to Ukraine, where he continued Stalin's purges.

Khrushchev was lucky to be sent away alive into retirement. His days were numbered after the Cuban Missile Crisis. I can't see Putin getting out of this alive. He may take some others down with him.

timvrip

(32 posts)
58. Not optimistic
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 05:17 AM
Mar 2022
Khrushchev was lucky to be sent away alive into retirement. His days were numbered after the Cuban Missile Crisis. I can't see Putin getting out of this alive. He may take some others down with him.


Like every living being in the world?

RussBLib

(9,002 posts)
6. I guess Russia can do whatever it wants
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:40 AM
Mar 2022

as long as they do not attack a NATO country.

Tyrants of the world, take note!

Codifer

(541 posts)
25. Sadly.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:23 PM
Mar 2022

To avoid invasion a country must have a nuclear arsenal of sufficient size to initiate total annihilation. At that very point the country becomes in invader and not a defender. It is how that capability can be misused by shithead leadership that presents the problem. I don't know how that problem can be solved.

The good news is that any leader, shithead or not, who would actually make the threat of total destruction true, would have to be totally bat shit crazy.

Oh wait..

Shit

RussBLib

(9,002 posts)
11. most of the world knows the truth
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:54 AM
Mar 2022

about the "peacekeeping" except those poor souls living in Russia, China, N Korea, etc

but it's not enough

Botany

(70,434 posts)
10. I hope some Russian or a group of Russians do what needs to be done with Putin.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:54 AM
Mar 2022

And i hope a lot of the Russian troops doing these crimes never leave Ukrainian soil.

Botany

(70,434 posts)
37. No that is the way Putin kills people. He will more than likely get shot by by somebody around him.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 04:06 PM
Mar 2022

n/t

Tickle

(2,488 posts)
12. It's heartbreaking ❤️‍🩹
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:00 AM
Mar 2022

I stopped watching all news because I can’t handle watching these poor people get annihilated. No one is helping them 😪

Kali

(55,002 posts)
21. thank you
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 11:53 AM
Mar 2022

it is a shock to happen in Europe, but there has been much suffering elsewere for a long long time and we don't have their flags in our avatars or sig lines. I am guilty of it as well. I am sorry.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
30. Thank you. As to say the truth...ethnocentric media coverage is the root cause of
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 03:28 PM
Mar 2022

the inability to equate the obviously equal human suffering of equally borne by god human beings at the hands of colonial nations…again.

White privilege in the western media is a thing.

Roc2020

(1,613 posts)
15. WWIII Has Begun, Putin Will Use Nukes, (Again), Says Fiona Hill
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:46 AM
Mar 2022

a prominent expert on russian/eurprean affairs. It has begun. Face it. Swallow it. U.S/Europe/World. Now what to do about it?

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
54. The important fact that needs to be drilled into Putin
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:14 AM
Mar 2022

Nuclear war will never be viewed by the other nuclear powers as an idle threat.

Russia cannot win a nuclear war. Truly, nobody can win. But Russia would not prevail.

Initech

(100,027 posts)
50. Yup! Tomorrow may be too late.
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:01 PM
Mar 2022

Putin is a monster and he must be dealt with before he starts taking over all of Europe.

COL Mustard

(5,867 posts)
22. The Ukrainians will probably eventually succumb to the sheer weight of Russia's military
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 12:08 PM
Mar 2022

But they're going to make sure Russia takes over smoking piles of rubble in every city they occupy.

Imagine if the Red Army had fought like this against the Nazis in 1941. Amazing how inept they appear...and that needs to be made known far and wide.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
55. I've got a friend hiding with her sister and mom and others
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:58 AM
Mar 2022

in a basement in Kyiv, so ya know that's not real comfort right now.

They feel sacrificed, and the reality is, they are.

We won't intervene because Putin knows all he has to say is nukes and we stand down, and because we know that Putin will probably use up all of his military grinding Ukrainians to dust.

So the world is sacrificing Ukraine right now, everyone should be clear on that.

COL Mustard

(5,867 posts)
61. I'm sorry.
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 07:56 AM
Mar 2022

I really hope they can leave. I wish there was more that we could do...and I mean more that I could do.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
38. What a nightmare!
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 04:59 PM
Mar 2022

I wish there was something we could do to help them, aside from giving them money, which I have done. Like getting keep them from harm and insuring their safety. I feel so helpless in the face of all of this. It's so frustrating.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
40. And just today the Russian leadership claimed the Ukrainians were using "human shields"
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 05:31 PM
Mar 2022

How projectionist of them.

Richard D

(8,737 posts)
43. Coca Cola
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:15 PM
Mar 2022

Coca-Cola continues its tradition of supporting fascist regimes, as it did with Nazi Germany; and so continues to collaborate with Russia.

So they need to be boycotted.

Richard D

(8,737 posts)
44. More ways to help
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 06:50 PM
Mar 2022

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IT giant IBM. Almost the entire IT infrastructure of the state-owned Russian Railway and many banks are built on IBM hardware and software. If they were deprived of technical support and the ability to recover from failures, it would be very good. But IBM continues to support the terrorist government of the Russian Federation ((

waterwatcher123

(143 posts)
46. The West Needs to Act Now to Control the Skies Over Ukraine
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 09:07 PM
Mar 2022

Putin was deeply impacted by the dissolution of the former Soviet Union. So, it is really hard to imagine any scenario where appeasement will work with this man. If allowed, he will move on from Ukraine to Moldova, Romania, Poland, the Baltic states and the rest of the eastern European states that made up the former Soviet sphere of influence. He does not care about the Ukrainian people or even his own people. It is pure evil and ego without any concern for life.

We provided Patriot Missile defense systems to Israel to shoot down missiles launched from hostile actors in the Middle East. If we are not going to provide air cover for Ukraine, the least we can do is provide a missile shield so the country has a chance to survive this onslaught. Putin is going to surround Ukraine's cities and then pound them into the ground with missiles and bombs. Their only chance at survival is to control the air space.

Ukraine could not have joined NATO without immediately incurring the wrath of Putin. So, it seems a little disingenuous of the alliance to stick to this claim that Ukraine is not entitled to its protection. NATO will have no choice but to confront Putin when he does invade a NATO country. By that time, thousands of people will have died and been displaced by the naive notion that this sociopath will somehow stop because of NATO and the doctrine of mutually assured destruction.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
56. The time to help Ukraine was years ago
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 02:00 AM
Mar 2022

when they should've been admitted to NATO and the EU, but were blocked by corrupted European countries (Germany especially). Putin would not attack a NATO country. His specialty is in compromising the border of nations he views as wanting to join NATO so that they would not qualify for membership (a country must have control of its borders).

We can't do a no-fly zone because that would bring us into direct conflict with Russia. We can't 'partially' enter conflict with Russia. We either enter fully or we don't.

It's too late to give Ukraine any advanced weapon systems such as patriot missiles - the country is going to be occupied by Russians within a week or so. The only weapons we can give them are the stingers and javelins and others that can be hidden easily, operated with little skill etc to be used in a guerilla war.

AverageOldGuy

(1,510 posts)
49. Want to see the future of Ukraine?
Thu Mar 3, 2022, 10:00 PM
Mar 2022

If you want to see the future of Ukraine, read about the Russian takeover of the countries of Eastern Europe after WW II.

Russia will destroy Ukraine. Cities and towns will be shelled and rocketed and bombed into rubble -- indiscriminately -- municipal buildings, homes, apartment, hospitals, stores, schools -- you name it -- reduced to rubble.

When Russian troops arrive, along with them will be special units that have lists of local officials, police officers, church leaders -- all these they can find will be rounded up and shot dead in the streets with their bodies left for everyone to see.

Reign of terror will last for months.

Putin seeks to restore the old Soviet Empire. Remember: The old Soviet Em[ire that collapsed in 1991 included Poland, Hungary, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, etc. Many of these are now NATO members. This is just the beginning.

AverageOldGuy

(1,510 posts)
53. On top of everything else . . .
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 01:05 AM
Mar 2022

. . . the Nigerian scammers are all in on Ukraine. I received this email about 15 minutes ago:

I am a Russian widow trapped in Ukraine's Donbass region amid Vladimir
Putin's senseless conflict. During the 2014 battle in the Donbass, I
lost my husband, a prominent Ukrainian businessman, who died without
having children with me. I am currently in an underground bunker in
Donetsk Oblast, a separatist war zone recognized by Russian President
Vladimir Putin. I urgently request your assistance in moving my family
trust fund worth £3,500,000.00 from the UK to your country to prevent
European Union sanctions from seizing my money because I am a Russian
citizen.

Please help me save and protect this money. You will receive 30% of
the total money as a reward for your efforts, while you must keep 70%
for me until the conflict is over. For more information, you can
contact me directly at (scam email address omitted.




Of course I'm going to jump on this to help this poor widow . . .

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
60. 😿
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 06:04 AM
Mar 2022

I hope something can help them. Eliminate P is what needs to happen. Everyone needs to post videos of all of this if they can.

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